Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Media Support in LibreOffice

2014-08-26 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Alex Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Nice synopsis - thanks for including my OSX tests !

Alex -- Do you have the Xiph and Webm QT components installed?
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Media_Support#Adding_support_for_an_additional_codec_3

It would be great if you could confirm AVI, WEBM,  OGV playback on
QuickTime, then re-check in LibreOffice to see which codecs are
working in QT but are not working in LO.

Thanks!
--R


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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] QA Call Time

2014-08-26 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi All -

 So the QA call time appears to be a problem again. I can no longer make the
 current time and we've seen decline in participation for the last few calls.
 Can we get a I'm interested vote for people who might consider joining the
 call if the time was better for you. The call is incredibly important for
 the team (IMHO) as I think it keeps us cohesive, allows us to talk live
 about problems/concerns, allows us to discuss new plans and get updates on
 ongoing projects.

 I'd really like to suggest that people who are quite active on the ML and
 FDO at least consider joining the call -- it's free and you aren't expected
 to say anything if you have nothing to say ;) But it would be nice to see
 these people on the call (you know who you are! ;) ).

 That being said - if the call is tomorrow as planned I won't be available.

 @Robinson - thoughts?

I think that changing the time is fine. I've gotten mixed messages
about when we should have the call, so if someone would like to
suggest some times/days of the week that will work for them, I'm happy
to try to find something that will work for all (or most) of us.

Personally, I'd like to have the call during M-F, as I'm often at
conferences or other events during the weekend, and sometimes have
that time off.

Cheers,
--R

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Media Support in LibreOffice

2014-08-26 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 11:40 AM, Alexander Thurgood
alex.thurg...@gmail.com wrote:
 No, unfortunately, I don't have Xiph or WebMQT installed.

 AVI playback on QT depends on the particular codec used to create the
 AVI, Apple was never very good at supporting this format and most don't
 work.

Hmm. We should definitely choose some test media from archive.org and
use that for consistency in our tests.

 At present, the video codecs for which support was removed by Apple in
 QuickTime 10.3 are converted on the fly to Apple's current H264 codec.

I'm not sure what you mean: Are you suggesting that OS X/QuickTime
10.3 is doing on-the-fly transcoding of some content?

 If a user wants read/export support for codecs that were previously
 supported by Apple, then they can still download QuickTime 7 (for the
 moment at least, but that'll be pulled soon enough no doubt).

If QuickTime 7 is EOL, or is only available on versions of OSX that we
are moving away from, then let's ignore that.

 Any other formats require add-ons, either like the ones you mention for
 QuickTime, or else separate programs.

 Perian, despite development and support having stopped, is still
 reported as working on 10.9
 I use Flip4Mac or FlipPlayer for WMV video stuff that QuickTime
 can't/couldn't handle.
 I also have VLC and MPlayerX.

So Perian still might be an option for some users? That's actually
very useful. If Perian is indeed still compatible with modern builds
of OS X, then that might be our best option to promote for audio/video
playback inside LO. Have you tested that at all?

AFAIK neither installing VLC nor installing MPlayerX will add codec
support to QuickTime, correct?

 Obviously, if there is no support in QuickTime for the video format you
 want to play in LO, then you are stuck, because you won't even be able
 to insert the file, let alone play it back if someone else has given you
 a file with an unsupported video codec in it. The same goes in general
 for the audio codec support.

To clarify, you're suggesting that one will only be able to insert an
audio/video file if the container format is supported by QuickTime,
right?

For example, you did a test on OX X 10.9.3 with LO 4.4.0.0 (master) of
WebM, and able to insert, preview, and get sound playback. That
suggests that your QuickTime (and any added Components) supports
- MKV container
- Vorbis codec
But probably doesn't support
- VP8 video codec

Best,
 --R

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Media Support in LibreOffice

2014-08-26 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Hi,


Le 26/08/2014 21:01, Robinson Tryon a écrit :


 On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 11:40 AM, Alexander Thurgood

 At present, the video codecs for which support was removed by Apple in
 QuickTime 10.3 are converted on the fly to Apple's current H264 codec.
 I'm not sure what you mean: Are you suggesting that OS X/QuickTime
 10.3 is doing on-the-fly transcoding of some content?

Yes, it transcodes files on the fly for the formats and codecs that were
previously supported in QT 7.

 If a user wants read/export support for codecs that were previously
 supported by Apple, then they can still download QuickTime 7 (for the
 moment at least, but that'll be pulled soon enough no doubt).
 If QuickTime 7 is EOL, or is only available on versions of OSX that we
 are moving away from, then let's ignore that.

Yes, ultimately this can't be a long term solution.

 So Perian still might be an option for some users? That's actually
 very useful. If Perian is indeed still compatible with modern builds
 of OS X, then that might be our best option to promote for audio/video
 playback inside LO. Have you tested that at all?

No, I've not tested Perian since OSX 10.4

 AFAIK neither installing VLC nor installing MPlayerX will add codec
 support to QuickTime, correct?

Correct, they each load their own codec interpretation libraries.

 Obviously, if there is no support in QuickTime for the video format you
 want to play in LO, then you are stuck, because you won't even be able
 to insert the file, let alone play it back if someone else has given you
 a file with an unsupported video codec in it. The same goes in general
 for the audio codec support.
 To clarify, you're suggesting that one will only be able to insert an
 audio/video file if the container format is supported by QuickTime,
 right?

Yes.

 For example, you did a test on OX X 10.9.3 with LO 4.4.0.0 (master) of
 WebM, and able to insert, preview, and get sound playback. That
 suggests that your QuickTime (and any added Components) supports
 - MKV container
 - Vorbis codec


My tests with master 4.4.0 were with my own build on which I used the
--enable-vlc switch, and I am assuming it is this that allowed me to
have some form of success with those containers. I am waiting for a new
build to complete that no longer uses that switch to see whether Michael
Meeks' comments on my bug issue alter the results of my tests.



Alex

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] QA Call Time

2014-08-26 Thread Jay Philips
I should be available anytime that its set.

Regards,
Jay Philips

On 08/26/2014 05:45 PM, Joel Madero wrote:
 Hi All -
 
 So the QA call time appears to be a problem again. I can no longer make
 the current time and we've seen decline in participation for the last
 few calls. Can we get a I'm interested vote for people who *might*
 consider joining the call if the time was better for you. The call is
 incredibly important for the team (IMHO) as I think it keeps us
 cohesive, allows us to talk live about problems/concerns, allows us to
 discuss new plans and get updates on ongoing projects.
 
 I'd really like to suggest that people who are quite active on the ML
 and FDO at least consider joining the call -- it's free and you aren't
 expected to say anything if you have nothing to say ;) But it would be
 nice to see these people on the call (you know who you are! ;) ).
 
 That being said - if the call is tomorrow as planned I won't be available.
 
 @Robinson - thoughts?
 
 
 Best,
 Joel
 
 
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Critical bug Base: No refreshing and connection to subsubforms any more

2014-08-26 Thread Dan Lewis

On 08/22/2014 09:48 AM, Robert Großkopf wrote:

Hi *,

there seems to be a critical bug in Base since LO 4.3.0.0alpha. Three
bugdescriptions (
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=82720
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=82884
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=82905 )
show all the same behavior: If you use a form with a subform and a
subsubform (a subform from a subform), data in the subsubform aren't
refreshed and input of new data is impossible. So many databases
wouldn't be usable any more with Base 4.3.

Regards

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 I downloaded the database for 82720 and 82884 to test them using 
Version: 4.4.0.0.alpha0+

Build ID: b6da6a887a0417be02e123a6d19837123e58b94f
TinderBox: Linux-rpm_deb-x86@45-TDF, Branch:master, Time: 
2014-08-09_07:47:21. (Kubuntu 14.04 x86 DEB)


 In both cases, I was able to add data to the subform B which is a 
subform of subform A. I have clicked the Save icon in the Navigation Bar 
and saved the saved data. When I then cycle through the rows of subform 
A, the added data in subform B appears when it should. So, I believe 
that someone has solved the problem using this master build or later.
 I made comments in both bugs, but I did not make any changes in 
their status.


Dan
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