Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Collabora LibreOffice Vanilla QA on OSX
Le 23/06/2015 15:21, Robinson Tryon a écrit : How differently is it built? My understanding is that it's pretty close, but I haven't had a chance to really delve into the details. As we likely will start to see bugs showing up in Bugzilla, it might be good for us to make some notes for QA, just so we can make sure that reports get shuffled-over to the right people who can triage them and then fix them. I don't actually know all of the differences, but for starters, it appears to be built on 4.3.x branch from what I have read elsewhere. I have no idea what other build switches are in there. As an aside, what exactly is the expectation here ? From the Collabora side, I'd expect that Michael and/or Sam Tuke would be good people to answer any questions about their particular goals, etc. Speaking just as a project volunteer, I know that I've gotten inquiries from multiple Mac users in the past couple of years asking about whether we were ever going to make LibreOffice available via this app store, so I think that there is a good potential market for users who like the ease of installation and updates. I didn't wish to give the impression that this was not a good thing. Indeed, if it can attract more Mac users to LibreOffice and thereby spur on Mac-based development, it is almost certainly a good idea. My concern is that the version being provided in the AppStore is apparently in the EOL branch as far as we (in the LO project) are concerned, so people reporting bugs against LibreOffice Vanilla, and there have already been at least 5 reports so far, some of which remain unconfirmed, are using an out of date and EOL version. What's the status of NeoOffice? I haven't heard any news from that front in years. It is still going (just about) - there are still fairly regular updates, which I might add, don't require download of the whole shebam, merely a patch set with an autoinstaller system which gets installed like any other PKG. I don't know whether they have a presence on the AppStore, there was talk of it at one time, but I didn't follow that. It's *possible* that most mac users will gravitate towards an install via a trusted and easy-to-use update mechanism. I know that there's some GSoC work to repurpose the Mozilla updater this summer as well, so perhaps there will be even more choices for mac users soon. This is also probably a good idea, but my concern is that we will be inundated with people who don't understand the difference between our version and Collabora's, especially as they seem to be routed to our bugzilla for filing bugs. Alex ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Collabora LibreOffice Vanilla QA on OSX
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 7:01 AM, Alexander Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com wrote: Just a heads up to say that I won't / can't / don't have the time / energy to QA LibreOffice Vanilla for OSX as released by Collabora Hi Alex, Thanks for all your hard work w/the OS X bugs! Everyone is of course free to work on whatever projects he or she wishes, but please don't feel any obligation from the TDF side to test the Collabora OS X builds. - I barely have time enough to try and keep the unconfirmed bug count down on OSX, without having to deal with a version that is apparently built differently. How differently is it built? My understanding is that it's pretty close, but I haven't had a chance to really delve into the details. As we likely will start to see bugs showing up in Bugzilla, it might be good for us to make some notes for QA, just so we can make sure that reports get shuffled-over to the right people who can triage them and then fix them. As an aside, what exactly is the expectation here ? From the Collabora side, I'd expect that Michael and/or Sam Tuke would be good people to answer any questions about their particular goals, etc. Speaking just as a project volunteer, I know that I've gotten inquiries from multiple Mac users in the past couple of years asking about whether we were ever going to make LibreOffice available via this app store, so I think that there is a good potential market for users who like the ease of installation and updates. At the moment, I am trying to understand whether this is going to become a permanent fixture of the landscape, a bit like NeoOffice (to which I donate once a year, but take no interest in the project otherwise), What's the status of NeoOffice? I haven't heard any news from that front in years. What effect will that have on the TDF build in the long term ? It's *possible* that most mac users will gravitate towards an install via a trusted and easy-to-use update mechanism. I know that there's some GSoC work to repurpose the Mozilla updater this summer as well, so perhaps there will be even more choices for mac users soon. I don't expect that our mac userbase will jump on the app store bandwagon overnight, and many will probably never buy-in to that system at all. I see this development as largely being about choice and convenience, and I think the shiny packaging will attract both some number of our existing userbase as well as a good number of new users who decide to try out LibreOffice. Best, --R -- Robinson Tryon QA Engineer - The Document Foundation LibreOffice Community Outreach Herald qu...@libreoffice.org 802-379-9482 | IRC: colonelqubit on Freenode ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] MAB/Priority and Severity
Hi, On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 01:14:54PM -0700, Joel Madero wrote: So the time has finally arrived that we are moving forward with _locking out priority/severity_. This means that *MAB will be retired*. I'd like to suggest to add this query as a reocurring item for the Robinson and the rest of the call to look at during the QA section of the ESC call: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMEDbug_status=NEWbug_status=ASSIGNEDbug_status=REOPENEDbug_status=RESOLVEDbug_status=VERIFIEDbug_status=CLOSEDbug_status=NEEDINFObug_status=PLEASETESTchfield=prioritychfieldfrom=-8dchfieldto=Nowchfieldvalue=highestlist_id=545001priority=highestproduct=LibreOfficequery_format=advancedresolution=--- It shows: - open bugs - that were changed to priority highest (thus a MAB) in the last 8 days (aka ~since the last call) - and currently are still priority highest (and thus a MAB) This is for the ESC to both be aware of newly marked important bugs -- and also to weed out one or another wrongly marked high priority bug. Also, this should help us keep the total number of high priority bugs both under control and on the radar. @Robinson: Can you take that up? Best, Bjoern ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Collabora LibreOffice Vanilla QA on OSX
Hi, On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 4:57 PM, Robinson Tryon bishop.robin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Alexander Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com wrote: Le 23/06/2015 15:21, Robinson Tryon a écrit : How differently is it built? My understanding is that it's pretty close, but I haven't had a chance to really delve into the details. As we likely will start to see bugs showing up in Bugzilla, it might be good for us to make some notes for QA, just so we can make sure that reports get shuffled-over to the right people who can triage them and then fix them. I don't actually know all of the differences, but for starters, it appears to be built on 4.3.x branch from what I have read elsewhere. I have no idea what other build switches are in there. There are two products in the App Store. 1. LibreOffice-from-Collabora is based on LibreOffice 4.3. It is not EOL, it is the supported product of Collabora. There are many backported bugfixes and backported stable features in it, which are not in the latest and EOLed TDF LibreOffice 4.3.7. 2. LibreOffice Vanilla is basically the same as TDF LibreOffice 4.4.4. In the future the for-pay LibreOffice-from-Collabora will always be from the same source as the LibreOffice-from-Collabora product, which is offered for the enterprise. LibreOffice Vanilla will always be the latest TDF Fresh build, so probably we'll switch to 5.0 after it is released. Two kinds of bugs I can image. 1. Specific to Collabora builds. Hopefully there will not be many. So I think there is no need to set up rules with a great effort. At the beginning there will be some (please cc me in bugzilla), because it is a new platform after all. 2. Normal bugs, that people happen to find in App Store builds. No special handling is needed, obviously. Please find below the build configurations Collabora used: LibreOffice-from-Collabora: --with-distro=CPOSX --disable-ext-ct2n --disable-ext-google_docs --disable-ext-mariadb-connector --disable-ext-numbertext --disable-lotuswordpro --disable-lpsolve --disable-neon --disable-opengl --disable-pdfimport --disable-postgresql-sdbc --enable-64-bit --enable-canonical-installation-tree-structure --enable-macosx-code-signing=xxx --enable-macosx-package-signing=xxx --enable-macosx-retina --enable-macosx-sandbox --with-macosx-teamid=xxx --enable-mpl-subset --disable-python --enable-release-build --with-external-tar=/Users/timar/lo/source/src --with-macosx-app-name=LibreOffice-from-Collabora --with-macosx-bundle-identifier=com.collabora.libreoffice --with-macosx-sdk=10.10 --with-macosx-version-min-required=10.8 --with-theme=tango --without-help --without-helppack-integration --without-java --without-package-format --without-myspell-dicts LibreOffice Vanilla: --with-vendor=Collabora --enable-extension-integration --disable-online-update --disable-odk --enable-ext-wiki-publisher --enable-report-builder --enable-ext-nlpsolver --disable-ext-ct2n --disable-ext-google_docs --disable-ext-languagetool --disable-ext-mariadb-connector --disable-ext-numbertext --disable-lotuswordpro --disable-lpsolve --disable-neon --disable-pdfimport --disable-postgresql-sdbc --enable-64-bit --enable-canonical-installation-tree-structure --enable-symbols --enable-macosx-sandbox --with-macosx-teamid=xxx --enable-mpl-subset --disable-python --enable-release-build --with-lang=ar as ast bg bn-IN br ca ca-valencia cy cs da de el en-US en-GB es et eu fi fr ga gd gl gu he hi hr hu id is it ja km kn ko lt lv ml mr nb nl nn oc or pa-IN pl pt pt-BR ro ru sk sl sr sr-Latn sv ta te tr uk vi zh-CN zh-TW --with-macosx-app-name=LibreOffice Vanilla --with-macosx-bundle-identifier=com.collabora.libreoffice-free --with-macosx-sdk=10.10 --with-macosx-version-min-required=10.8 --with-theme=tango --without-java --without-package-format --enable-macosx-code-signing=xxx --enable-macosx-package-signing=xxx --with-external-tar=/Users/timar/lo/source/src These can change in the future (and now that I'm reading through it, I see silly things, such as enabling java extensions, then disabling java), but this is what I used to produce these App Store builds. Regards, Andras ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] MAB/Priority and Severity
On 06/23/2015 12:32 PM, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: Hi, On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 01:14:54PM -0700, Joel Madero wrote: So the time has finally arrived that we are moving forward with _locking out priority/severity_. This means that *MAB will be retired*. I'd like to suggest to add this query as a reocurring item for the Robinson and the rest of the call to look at during the QA section of the ESC call: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMEDbug_status=NEWbug_status=ASSIGNEDbug_status=REOPENEDbug_status=RESOLVEDbug_status=VERIFIEDbug_status=CLOSEDbug_status=NEEDINFObug_status=PLEASETESTchfield=prioritychfieldfrom=-8dchfieldto=Nowchfieldvalue=highestlist_id=545001priority=highestproduct=LibreOfficequery_format=advancedresolution=--- It shows: - open bugs - that were changed to priority highest (thus a MAB) in the last 8 days (aka ~since the last call) - and currently are still priority highest (and thus a MAB) This is for the ESC to both be aware of newly marked important bugs -- and also to weed out one or another wrongly marked high priority bug. Also, this should help us keep the total number of high priority bugs both under control and on the radar. @Robinson: Can you take that up? Along with this - I created the patch months ago that is sitting in the test instance to block priority/severity from being changed by non-contributors. Beluga and I put in some time adding all devs and QA members (or at least the vast majority) to a new group in bugzilla so that they will have the rights without requesting. At this point I'm just waiting for Robinson to give me some feedback as to what the hold up is. @Robinson - if texting is easier than IRC or email - feel free to text me with suggestions for times that we can push this change once and for all. I have 3 more that I intend on making but I want to wait until this one is done before doing more. Best, Joel ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Collabora LibreOffice Vanilla QA on OSX
Le 23/06/2015 20:17, Andras Timar a écrit : Hi Andras, Wow, thanks for the build switches, good to know. Seeing as both Java and Python are disabled, as are most of the (optional) extensions, can I safely assume that Base won't work ? Neither will mailmerge or any of the python based assistants ? This is useful to know so that we can immediately point this out to people who might be expecting to find this functionality within the product. Alex ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] NEW bug count
it always rises (and it alway will do that)but I've noticed that lately it's not as steady as before. see chart: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/reports.cgi?product=LibreOfficedatasets=NEW many thanks to developers fixing bugs and triagers closing duplicates and retesting WFM issues. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] problem; help request
Hi Kenneth - This mailing list is actually for contributors dealing with quality assurance. You'll likely want to ask the user mailing list - more people monitor that with a wider response. You list a whole list of issues and it's usually hard to get responses with meta questions. My suggestion is to: 1) Email user list; 2) Each email addresses a single issue 3) If others see the same issues - best bet is to report a bug at bugs.libreoffice.org - a volunteer then would have to volunteer for to fix the issue (if there is one). Warmest Regards, Joel P.S. I highly recommend not including cell phone numbers in the mailing list - the emails are public On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Kenneth Koym koy...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings: I wonder if the libreOfficeWriter problem can be addressed there. Mine is nested in Ubuntu 14.04.2. I ask your assist, getting a libreofficewriter re-config/work around, which re-gains ability to get documents to open, like they have for five years. Just did a sudo apt-get purge libreoffice followed by sudo apt-get install libreoffice || sudo apt-get autoremove || sudo apt-get clean. No difference after logging off and restarting. Nice to have the clean up but plain old truth I, a 76 year old, want the regular size file to open, not one that is one third the size. Why? I fight macular degeneration/going blind if I do not use good habits, Alred Vitamins as prescribed by my MD. I don't see a way to post a sample; but since late Friday June 12th all newly opened empty document work spacess are one third the size. Saved documents open in the original readible font point size. Not so this morning June 15th. The old docs are now smaller in size than they were originally written; and, it is not feasible to edit or rewrite a libreoffice writer created document on this PC. I do not see the same problem on ubuntu forums. What happens? The prompt always flashes. The prompt [and any wording I compose] looks like a 7 point not 11 or 12-point type. The proposed page you'd expect to work on is about one third the correct size LibreOfficeWriter is not working correctly. Wish I new a terminal instruction showing Report my fowl up assessment; so I could post responses that reveals errors. Problems are: a. pages open approximately one third of what I saw until last +/- June 10th or 11th. b. this morning June 15th, text on two or three lines appear to be block marked. But to my knowledge I have not set up any such commands. c. you can houver over text you wish to edit but changes cannot be made readily and d. once you get to the end of a line, the auto movement down to the next line in the page is frozen. e. to get to the next line, you must literally move the mouse, telling the prompt to go there. Again, I believe someone other than me has control over my PC. Yes, it could be a virus or ??? Being I'm a federal retiree, it's feasible a Non US source decided to hit my PC. I'd prefer to believe a config error or an odd virus causing the unwanted difficulties. From the 16th-23rd I'll be out of pocket with my G-kids so any help can slide till I return or get another machine. ken cell 512.828.9778 ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ -- *Joel Madero* LibreOffice QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
