Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Reminder: QA Meeting on Wednesday
Hi Pedro, > It is impossible for me to join at the 13:00 but I would like to leave two > questions: That's unfortunate, we should talk about moving the time and/or finding some other way to get dedicated people like yourself on live chat during meeting. > > Isn't 16% of Regressions something that TDF should be worried about? I'm not sure what "worried about" really means. If a major issue was resolved and the side effect is a minor regression, not so much. If instead there are a ton of minor fixes that have created crashers, more of an issue. I'd need a lot more information to adequately judge the problem. > > How can QA (Quality Assurance) and TDF motivate the Devs to worry about the > consistency of the program? From QA perspective it's not our job to judge or dictate how developers work. They are volunteers, and they should be respected like volunteers. What we can do is the same that we could always do: 1) Narrow down the version where the problem came to be; 2) Bibisect/bisect -- CRUCIAL 3) Appropriately tag whiteboard 4) Appropriately deal with severity/priority. Beyond that, it's out of our control and stressing about how developer volunteers spend their time is not in anyone's best interestin particular if we're falling short on our side (specifically bibisecting). Finally, the only other advise I would give is raising the worst (and *fully* triaged) regressions up to Robinson so that he can bring them up during ESC. This is particularly useful when we can identify the specific person who accidentally caused the regression and try to see if they can fix it quickly. Before demanding a lot of other's time, I personally would prefer we do our job as good as possible. Best, Joel ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Reminder: QA Meeting on Wednesday
On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Pedro wrote: > It is impossible for me to join at the 13:00 Ah, that's too bad! > but I would like to leave two > questions: > > Isn't 16% of Regressions something that TDF should be worried about? > > (713 out of 4419 open bugs, according to > http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-qa-Minutes-of-ESC-call-2015-11-19-tp4166818.html) I definitely would like to see that percentage drop, just as I'd like to see our outstanding bug pool drop to at least half. As Bubli pointed out last week, there is a certain amount of interpretation to how we categorize and prioritize a "data loss bug": "Loss of some 10k row sheet full of 2 years of scientific work data is in slightly different category than, dunno, loss of text highlighting in an article," so perhaps some of our bugs might need re-evaluation, and/or we might need to consider regressions in a slightly different light? > > How can QA (Quality Assurance) and TDF motivate the Devs to worry about the > consistency of the program? I think we're pretty consistent on providing QA/Bugzilla stats to the devs, as well as searching-out some critical/widely-affecting bugs and getting those in their field of vision. REMINDER: If any of you run into high-priority bugs, or issues that are maybe less dangerous/harmful, but have been affecting large numbers of our users, please feel free to email me about them. I can't take everything in our bugtracker to the ESC, but I do try to bring as many important issues there as possible. From purely a usability standpoint, I think that our current workflows have been quite successful at identifying some of the most common and annoying issues, and squishing those bugs, however I think that it's quite possible that we've concurrently been recording and triaging a host of other bugs that, although valid, are much less urgent. We don't currently have a consistent, generalized plan to cull valid, open bugs from the bugtracker without a fix, and so I see these numbers may continue to increase until we can wrangle enough contributors (QA and devs) for us to manage what's incoming AND attack the backlog. > > Looking forward to see some answers/opinions in the QA meeting minutes. I'll bring up the topic in the chat. I think input from devs could be helpful as well, but starting with QA seems like a very good place to start. --R > > Regards, > Pedro > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-qa-Reminder-QA-Meeting-on-Wednesday-tp4167253p4167281.html > Sent from the QA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ___ > List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list > Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org > Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ -- Robinson Tryon QA Engineer - The Document Foundation LibreOffice Community Outreach Herald qu...@libreoffice.org 802-379-9482 | IRC: colonelqubit on Freenode ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Reminder: QA Meeting on Wednesday
It is impossible for me to join at the 13:00 but I would like to leave two questions: Isn't 16% of Regressions something that TDF should be worried about? (713 out of 4419 open bugs, according to http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-qa-Minutes-of-ESC-call-2015-11-19-tp4166818.html) How can QA (Quality Assurance) and TDF motivate the Devs to worry about the consistency of the program? Looking forward to see some answers/opinions in the QA meeting minutes. Regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-qa-Reminder-QA-Meeting-on-Wednesday-tp4167253p4167281.html Sent from the QA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Reminder: QA Meeting on Wednesday
Hi all, Just a quick reminder that we have our next QA Meeting on Wednesday. Come say hi in #libreoffice-qa and bring your questions with you! Cheers, --R -- Robinson Tryon QA Engineer - The Document Foundation LibreOffice Community Outreach Herald qu...@libreoffice.org 802-379-9482 | IRC: colonelqubit on Freenode ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Annual report reminder, participate now!
Hi all, This is a reminder that we will very soon begin to work on the annual report. If you have not done so yet, please fill the pad with any information that is relevant to the report and the community activities. Last year we had a very nice and interesting one, it was all due to your help in writing it, we hope to have even more to compile this year :) Thanks a lot in advance for your help! http://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/annualreport Cheers Sophie -- Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org GSM: +33683901545 IRC: sophi Co-founder - Release coordinator The Document Foundation ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
