Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...
Hi, On Thu, Dec 08, 2016 at 04:56:07PM +, Michael Meeks wrote: > + someone creating e.g. a Visual Studio extension that does > all the cygwin/git clone/gerrit bootstrapping would be much appreciated > though (Bjoern) > [...] > + eg. a pre-canned bundle with pre-built 'externals' and > pre-canned VS file made from make (Michael) ... and the core issue with that is the number of different configs we support even on Windows. While that makes some sense on Linux, where each distro is a unique snowflake in some way, it makes very little sense on Windows, where most things should be the same on all systems. Or at least _could_ be the same on all systems. I mean, we could have a tinderbox run "./autogen.sh && make vs2013-ide-integration" once a week and make it commit the result Visual Studio solutions to the core repo. Note this does _not_ need a full build anymore, so should be a matter of minutes. But for those to work universally, it requires tooling that reproduces pretty much exactly as on the canonical tinderbox that created the solutions, including: - SRCDIR - BUILDDIR - cygwin install LODE did some great steps in that direction, but I fear is not quite there yet. If you get Windows builds to kill all those degrees of freedom, then this should work just fine (including pre-build 'external'). So again: This is less of an build issue, than one of configuration management. Best, Bjoern ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...
* Present: + Stephan, Sophie, Caolan, Heiko, Kendy, JanI, Thorsten Markus, Miklos, Olivier, Michael M, Eike, Christian, Michael S, Bjoern, Bubli, Norbert * Completed Action Items: + add GDI object use count to crash reporter (Michael) + turn gcc -Og on for a bit and see how it goes (Michael S) [ turned on; a few complaints – but no show-stopping concerns yet. It can happen that variables are not displayed; and optimized out, mostly it happens for non-live variables. Can see in frame 17 – some var optimized out, frame 18 can be seen there. + very hard to see boolean variables optimized out (Markus) + don't care wrt. a enable-debug build, but a dbgutil build should be the best. Not debugged calc code - perhaps it it is worse there (Michael S) + configure tinderboxes to use this - gives nice stack traces. ? (Michael M) + concern wrt. full traces currently printing variables - mangling that (Miklos) + would need a reproducible scenario. + can try to find it again in an hour-long debugging session (Markus) => disable when we have a concrete bug report. + ask Tamás Bunth how he feels about Firebird default (Lionel) [ lots of firebird bugs appear to be being fixed - great (Michael) ] * Pending Action Items: + provide information for cloph on what the large Help change is (Olivier) + need a diff of the kind of string change, so Cloph can write a script. + poke at MSDN licenses (Michael) [ internal conversation ongoing ] + move gitdm-config to gerrit (Norbert) [ not happened yet, missing Norbert ] + investigate https://beta.opendocumentformat.org/testsets/all/en (Xisco) + improve QA Stats in the ESC minutes (Xisco) * Release Engineering update (Christian) + 5.2.4.2 - next week, done by Jan + Venetian language: request to add. + made a gerrit change request; do we want to have it ? + already enabled on master & 5.3 - unlikely to break things. https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/31727/ => just merge it. + 5.3.0 Beta2 & branch today, libreoffice-5-3-0 branch with rc2 + waiting for pootle to do template updates + must be something wrong with VM / KVM + can't get that going. + need to have a B2 for bug-hunting at the weekend. + Late features: + separating images and icons for help modules (Olivier, Bubli) + still waiting for Olivier's sample string change to write the script. + we need to see the impact on translators. + misc. PDF signing / embedding bits (Miklos) + now completed - and all fixes back-ported + Android & iOS Remote (Cloph) + master is green now. + will prepare a new build based on the branch-off tag + online (Michael) + branched for -5-3 – will create source tarballs. * Documentation (Olivier) + important patch from Bubli that need to go in 5.3 + separating images and icons for help modules + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/30958/ + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/30959/ => defer and script properly for master; re-visit next week. + Cloph has script templates + but needs examples of the changes to the UI files. + Next: Will test screenshots make enabled by bubli ( https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Screenshots ) + 12/8 the Getting Started Guide for 5.0 is released by the Brazilians + http://documentation.libreoffice.org/pt-br/portugues/guia-do-iniciante/ + Blog post in local blogs, PR, new documentation website ready. + https://pt-br.blog.documentfoundation.org/ + Community seeking more work + writing a spec. for BOD. * UX Update (Heiko) + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics 256(256) (topicUI) bugs open, 494(494) (needsUXEval) needs to be evaluated by the UXteam + Updates: BZ changes 1 week1 month3 months 12 months added 2(-5) 16(-5) 61(-4) 489(-3) commented 14(-40) 187(-48) 926(-61) 2793(-32) removed 0(0) 1(0) 24(-2) 30(0) resolved 6(-1) 17(1) 115(3) 133(5) + top 10 contributors: Heiko Tietze made 40 changes in 1 month, and 515 changes in 1 year *UNKNOWN* made 13 changes in 1 month, and 13 changes in 1 year Samuel Mehrbrodt made 13 changes in 1 month, and 50 changes in 1 year *UNKNOWN* made 12 changes in 1 month, and 101 changes in 1 year Yousuf Philips made 11 changes in 1 month, and
[Libreoffice-qa] DOCX meta bug
Hi Telesto, Thank you for working with meta bugs, but unfortunately the DOCX limitation meta bug (tdf#88173) isnt to be used to tag every single bug report that relates to the DOCX format (we use the keyword 'filter:docx' to tag such bug reports), but is to list bugs related to DOCX features that LibreOffice hasnt implemented and cant be implement, as mentioned by qubit in comment 3 of the bug. On a separate note, if you wish to do alot of such meta bug changes, i'd suggest you ask QA admin members on IRC to provide you ninja edit status, so that emails dont get sent out to every user subscribed to the meta bug, as my inbox has been flooded with hundreds of such changes to the DOCX limitation meta bug. Regards, Yousuf ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2016-Dec-08
Present: Kendy, Samuel, Heiko Tickets * Bullet lists defaults + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92657 + Option 1: Replace OpenSymbol as default for bullets by text default + Option 2: Reduce bullet size so that spacing is not affected by symbols + code pointers needed -> no easy hack, needs investigation * Inserting shapes in Draw shouldn't require multiple clicks (Jay) + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90748 + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39268 - Double click is the Libo way to do things repeatedly (Stuart, Cor, Heiko) - not really accurate across all apps - Hard to find out for new users (Jay) - Workflow is different and in Writer usually more than one object is added where Draw rather is to manipulate what has been added (Stuart) - better to teach users about our good solution (single click = single action, double click = sticky) (Heiko) - create proposals with pro/cons for the next meeting so a simple decision yay/nay is possible + Writer/Calc (Cor via email) - Single click causes multiple inserting of objects. Draw/Impress: - Single click causes single insert of objects. - Double click needed for multiple after another.. For both: - The last draw object is selected and can be resized; - The cursor becomes/is normal with click on document area. Or after ESC. Now my consideration: - it's easier to click in doc, or push ESC (to end insert mode) than to discover double-click. - So, unless the default behavior in other similar tools is as we have in Draw currently, I'm fine with a change as Jay suggests. + how about an module dependent option whether or not the double click is active by default (Heiko) + if it's burning, can have it as a GSoC project next year (kendy) + run some research and compare with other programs (samuel) + ask the community; blog post/quick poll (Heiko) Tasks * Color palettes + Add Windows colors? (according ECMA OpenXML) + ugly palette, unsorted collection of colors -> leave it open for the community + close https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87541 + not decided + How to go ahead with standard.soc + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87538 - new default -> postpone for Jay being in the meeting signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
