[Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

2017-04-20 Thread Michael Meeks
* Present:
+ Bjoern, JanI, Thorsten, Michael M, Sophie, Xisco, Kendy, Oivier,
  Heiko, Miklos, Stephan, Christian, Michael S, Eike

* Completed Action Items:
+ Send sorted & rated GSoC document to the mentors (Thorsten)
+ file twitter commit notification bot easy-hack (Cloph)

* Pending Action Items:
+ mass conversion of helpcontent (Cloph)
   [ still dealing with the UI bits ]
+ look at old Duden extension to see if they use UWINAPI.DLL (Thorsten)
+ release note drop of OSX 10.8 support re: thread-safe statics (Michael S)

* ESC budget tendering (Florian)
+ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Budget2017
+ would like to gather a few ESC members for feedback, approval
  (and possibly review of bids)
+ tenders approved in the budget by the board  
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Budget2017#Accessibility_improvements
 
* 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Budget2017#Image_handling_re-work
 
* 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Budget2017#Deprecate_SVG_filter_in_favour_of_SVGIO
 
* 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Budget2017#HSQLDB_binary_format_import
 
 + would like a number of experts to help spec. that out (Thorsten)
 + propose: approve specs for tender as-in the wiki &
   Florian to collect people to help out.
+ no objections.

* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 5.2.7 RC1 status
+ test failures, didn’t get a build that make-check worked for 1st time.
+ running checks manually – they pass.
+ issues with build parallelism here.
+ sometimes complex test or XStyleLoader2 test – only on Windows.
+ tried 4-5 times, not working – for complete check
+ is it upgrading the compiler ? (Thorsten)
+ random toolchain timing symptom (Michael)
+ random windows updates too – what changed ? (Cloph)
+ only on 5.2? (Miklos)
+ 5.3 rare to run into issues – sometimes XStyleloader2 (Cloph)
AI: + investigate signing issues around files (Cloph)
+ 5.3.3 RC1 status
+ tag yesterday – builds are currently underway
+ available tomorrow.
+ 5.4. builds / master
+ Alpha 1 – April 25th(?) - hard feature-freeze May 15th(?)
  alpha still from master , libreoffice-5-4 tag along with 
feature-freeze
+ translation problems
+ cleanup & re-shuffling in the src files
+ that changed lots of message contexts.
+ around 20k words to translate → thye’re not happy.
+ now down to 1500 – 2000 words; still some left.
+ improving quickly.
+ Android & iOS Remote
+ some patches need review, and some integrated.
+ no new builds yet.
+ online
+ propose skip 5.3.3 rc1 and do an rc2.

* Documentation (Olivier)
 + Zarro unconfirmed documentation bugs
 + thanks to Xisco mailing him the doc. bugs quickly.
 + New page on HC for Template manager (C. Vance and ohallot)
 + Need to review many other outdated/invalid pages on the subject
 + Guides: Change of templates for chapters triggers heavy work on update
  + style names changed – investigating if this is necessary
 + Fixes in help contents after translators
 + Tests LOOL to evaluate use for collaborative content insertion
   for Guides, encouraging results with track changes,
   but some issues open, e.g. protection.
+ may be better suited for doc. Authors rathern than caring about 
formats
+ have to download / edit / up-load cycle currently – which is a pain.
 + use the current site – with latest master/online builds.
+ testing some issues; been reported & fixed by Pranav
+ poking at two users – to see how they interfere – v. optimistic.

* should we have keywords not components in bugzilla (Heiko)
 + would need to move things from writer → documentation etc.
 + what’s wrong with a component ? (Xisco)
+ don’t see the problem.
 + some bugs have multiple facets: l10n, UI, documentation (Heiko)
AI: + come up with a proposal (Xisco, Heiko, Olivier)

* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
248(248) (topicUI) bugs open, 470(470) (needsUXEval) needs to be 
evaluated by the UXteam
+ Updates:
BZ changes   1 week   1 month3 months   12 months
 added  3(3)  9(0)  31(-3) 490(0)
 commented 21(4)107(-36)   532(-73)   3532(-35)
   removed  0(0)  0(0)   4(-4)  38(0)
  resolved  3(-1)22(3)  82(-12)225(1)
+ top 10 contributors:
  Tietze, Heiko made 75 changes in 1 month, and 2262 changes in 1 year
  Foote, V Stuart made 37 changes in 1 month, and 670 changes in 1 year
  Philips, Yousuf made 28 changes in 1 month, and 1226 changes in 1 year
  Thomas Lendo 

[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2017-Apr-20

2017-04-20 Thread Heiko Tietze
Present: Jay, Tomaz, Steve, Heiko

Organization

 * Procedure for tickets needsUXAdvice
   + ux-advice should be added to cc list when the keyword is set but what to 
do when it's removed
   + in order to reduce the number of emails to the ux-advice ML we delete it 
from CC when the keyword is removed
   + silent readers may add themselves to CC

 * Major release update / branding for 6.0
   + OSD job submitted https://github.com/opensourcedesign/jobs/pull/197
   + blog post with invitation prepared, waiting that the job is accepted

Tickets

 * Visual design of tabs
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106323
   + commented on the bug report (Jay)
   + if we improve things it, has to be the generic toolkit

 * Revert selection mode to standard when done
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=88474
   + currently when you cancel the selection the mode is reverted from Adding, 
for instance, to standard
   + pro reverting to standard (as today): cancel is not the normal operation 
and mostly users expect it to be reverted
   + con: other tools keep the manually set mode until the user changes it back
   + Microsoft toggles selection mode per alt (block mode) and ctrl (addition) 
(but not in combination)
   + there is an inconsistency between keyboard use that reverts the selection 
and the toolbar/menu, which keeps the mode
   + would prefer the Microsoft way to use only keyboard accelerators (that are 
by nature temporarily) (Heiko)
   + LibreOffice has shortcuts 
https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/Selection_Mode (Jay)
   + We have ctrl/shift/alt + left mouse for the different modes so could 
remove the static switch (Heiko)
   + feedback is needed, e.g. different icons in statusbar (Tomaz), and ideally 
also with the cursor (Jay)
   + decision is to keep the static selection, make it consistent over the UI, 
make it really static and keep it after escape
 but the preferred method is to use the keyboard accelerators

 * Sidebar customization settings not remembered after reopening (Steve)
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67770
   + Fixed?
   + No issue in LibO fresh for sidebar open/closed, shown/hidden 
   + but the active deck is not remembered, which is required for people who 
use it only for styles
   + workaround is to disable the unneeded decks; the first deck is shown by 
default

 * Confirmation for overall actions such as deletion of comments
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78302
   + Do we want to introduce a guideline to confirm actions that affect not 
only the current selection?
   + Yes means to let the user confirm 'delete all comments', for example, No 
means to keep the current behavior
   + better decide about confirmation on the particular situations
   + undo is sufficient in this particular (and most other) topic (Jay)
   => as a general rule, have a confirmation when undo is not possible




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