Re: [Libreoffice-qa] The term "Online Help" (was: Use of abbreviations in this ML)

[Jean Weber]

On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 6:54 AM, Jean Weber  wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 10:31 PM, Marc Paré  wrote:
>> Le 2014-01-11 08:05, Christian Lohmaier a écrit :
>>>
>>> Hi Pedro, *,
>>>
>>> Am 11.01.2014 12:50 schrieb "Pedro" >> <mailto:pedl...@gmail.com>>:
>>>  >
>>>  > [abbreviations or the term Online Help] ...
>>> So let's hear some suggestions. I assume everyone will understand which
>>> one is meant when they read the term "Offline Help" in isolation. If you
>>> disagree, please also suggest a different term for that.
>>>
>>> Ciao
>>> Christian
>>>
>>
>> I have been following this discussion and the only worry I have is that the
>> doc team is not included on it. IMO, Jean should be aware of this discussion
>> as the acronyms and any potential changes may have an effect on the various
>> documentation terminology that is being used in our docs.
>>
>> It would be nice if any changes were coordinated with all affected groups.
>>
>> From my point of view OLH (Online Help), and, from a vernacular point of
>> view for most users, would mean that once you choose that particular
>> link/menu item, that you would be sent "online" on the internet for the help
>> files. The OLH menu link, when viewed in context in any particular software
>> package, usually means to a user that she/he will be taken to help files for
>> that particular software available on the internet.
>>
>> IMO, if we would want to make it clearer that the help files are NOT online,
>> then another name/acronym should be created to properly describe the menu
>> choice. Making as short, descriptive, obvious and as literal as possible,
>> IMO, should be our primary goal; this will ensure that all competency levels
>> of users (whether newbies or knowledgeable users) are clear as to the menu
>> choice they are making. Perhaps just labelling "Help Documents" would be
>> sufficient enough. The fact that there is no "online" will be obvious enough
>> that the user is not being sent online for help docs and that the local
>> files are always accessible to the user.
>
>
> I've been following this thread, as it relates to a (minor) concern
> that I've had for some time. (My computer use goes back far enough
> that to me, "online" means "on the computer" (not "on the Internet)
> versus in a book; but I'm well aware that the term means something
> different these days, especially to younger users. So, yes, we need a
> better one; and yes, the term needs to be the same in the user guides
> as it is in the program and elsewhere.
>
> I haven't done any research to see what might be a common term these
> days, so I don't immediately have a suggestion. I'll get back to you
> later today when I've had a chance to consider this a bit more.
>
> --Jean


The user guides refer to "the built-in Help system" which is reached
by pressing F1 or choosing Help > LibreOffice Help on the menu bar.
"Built-in" may not be the best term but it is short, descriptive, and
literal. Is it obvious? Your call.

(I still haven't done any research to see what might be a common term
these days.)

--Jean
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] The term "Online Help" (was: Use of abbreviations in this ML)

[Jean Weber]

On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 10:31 PM, Marc Paré  wrote:
> Le 2014-01-11 08:05, Christian Lohmaier a écrit :
>>
>> Hi Pedro, *,
>>
>> Am 11.01.2014 12:50 schrieb "Pedro" > >:
>>  >
>>  > [abbreviations or the term Online Help] ...
>> So let's hear some suggestions. I assume everyone will understand which
>> one is meant when they read the term "Offline Help" in isolation. If you
>> disagree, please also suggest a different term for that.
>>
>> Ciao
>> Christian
>>
>
> I have been following this discussion and the only worry I have is that the
> doc team is not included on it. IMO, Jean should be aware of this discussion
> as the acronyms and any potential changes may have an effect on the various
> documentation terminology that is being used in our docs.
>
> It would be nice if any changes were coordinated with all affected groups.
>
> From my point of view OLH (Online Help), and, from a vernacular point of
> view for most users, would mean that once you choose that particular
> link/menu item, that you would be sent "online" on the internet for the help
> files. The OLH menu link, when viewed in context in any particular software
> package, usually means to a user that she/he will be taken to help files for
> that particular software available on the internet.
>
> IMO, if we would want to make it clearer that the help files are NOT online,
> then another name/acronym should be created to properly describe the menu
> choice. Making as short, descriptive, obvious and as literal as possible,
> IMO, should be our primary goal; this will ensure that all competency levels
> of users (whether newbies or knowledgeable users) are clear as to the menu
> choice they are making. Perhaps just labelling "Help Documents" would be
> sufficient enough. The fact that there is no "online" will be obvious enough
> that the user is not being sent online for help docs and that the local
> files are always accessible to the user.


I've been following this thread, as it relates to a (minor) concern
that I've had for some time. (My computer use goes back far enough
that to me, "online" means "on the computer" (not "on the Internet)
versus in a book; but I'm well aware that the term means something
different these days, especially to younger users. So, yes, we need a
better one; and yes, the term needs to be the same in the user guides
as it is in the program and elsewhere.

I haven't done any research to see what might be a common term these
days, so I don't immediately have a suggestion. I'll get back to you
later today when I've had a chance to consider this a bit more.

--Jean
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-projects] [ANN] LIbreOffice 4.2.0 RC1 available

[Jean Weber]

Hi Christian,

I used the regular (32-bit) build, which the download page suggested,
and which I have always used. Should I be using the 64-bit build? I'll
try that today.

--Jean


On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 1:38 AM, Christian Lohmaier
 wrote:
> Hi Jean,
>
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 6:24 AM, Jean Weber  wrote:
>> Mac OS X 10.9. Getting error message when attempting to start (open)
>> the app after installing: "LibreOffice.app is damaged and can't be
>> opened. You should move it to the trash."
>
> Ah, too bad :-(
>
> As you're on 10.9 - did you use the 64bit build?
>
>> This problem also occured with the Beta2, and Norbert said he thought
>> the problem was with code-signing of non-release build.
>
> Yeah, that is what we all hoped...
>
>> Bug 71884. He
>> fixed it by replacing with unsigned file, which worked fine.
>
> Well, not really fixed, as that then also makes users unable to
> directly open LibreOffice package, they'd have to use the
> contextmenu...
>
> ciao
> Christian
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-projects] [ANN] LIbreOffice 4.2.0 RC1 available

[Jean Weber]

On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 6:36 AM, Norbert Thiebaud  wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Jean Weber  wrote:
>> Hi Christian,
>>
>> I used the regular (32-bit) build, which the download page suggested,
>> and which I have always used. Should I be using the 64-bit build? I'll
>> try that today.
>
> both should work for 10.9... I would just like a confirmation that the
> 64 bits build works (which I think it does... as the problem seems to
> be tied to the signing of the Python Framework.. which is not
> delivered in the 64 bits build (unnecessary since the target 10.8+
> already have a suitable system python)
>
> Norbert


64-bit Mac version opened for me as it should.

--Jean
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-projects] [ANN] LIbreOffice 4.2.0 RC1 available

[Jean Weber]

Mac OS X 10.9. Getting error message when attempting to start (open)
the app after installing: "LibreOffice.app is damaged and can't be
opened. You should move it to the trash."

This problem also occured with the Beta2, and Norbert said he thought
the problem was with code-signing of non-release build. Bug 71884. He
fixed it by replacing with unsigned file, which worked fine.

--Jean


On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Christian Lohmaier
 wrote:
> Dear Community,
>
> The Document Foundation is pleased to announce the first release
> candidate of LibreOffice 4.2.0. The upcoming 4.2.0 will bring new
> features and lots of bugfixes. Check out
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.2 for an
> (incomplete and work-in-progress) list of the new features.
> Please be aware that LibreOffice 4.2.0 RC1 is not been flagged as ready
> for production use yet, you should continue to use LibreOffice 4.1.4 for that.
>
> The release is available for Windows, Linux and Mac OS X from our QA
> builds download page at
>
>   http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/
>
> LibreOffice 4.2.0 RC1 is also available in a 64bit version for Mac OS
> X 10.8 (or newer)
>
> Developers and QA might also be interested in the symbol server for
> windows debug information (see the release notes linked below for
> details)
>
> Should you find bugs, please report them to the FreeDesktop Bugzilla:
>
>   https://bugs.freedesktop.org
>
> A good way to assess the release candidate quality is to run some
> specific manual tests on it, our TCM wiki page has more details:
>
>  
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Testing/Regression_Tests#Full_Regression_Test
>
> For other ways to get involved with this exciting project - you can
> e.g. contribute code:
>
>   http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/developers/
>
> translate LibreOffice to your language:
>
>   http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice_Localization_Guide
>
> or help with funding our operations:
>
>   http://donate.libreoffice.org/
>
> A list of known issues and fixed bugs with 4.2.0 RC1 is available
> from our wiki:
>
>   http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/4.2.0/RC1
>
> Let us close again with a BIG Thank You! to all of you having
> contributed to the LibreOffice project - this release would not have
> been possible without your help.
>
> On behalf of the Community,
>
> Christian
>
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libo-marketing-priv] [ANN] LibreOffice 4.2.0 beta2 test builds available

[Jean Weber]

On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Norbert Thiebaud
 wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Martin Srebotnjak  wrote:
>> Hi, Norbert,
>>
>> as you can read from bug report, I am running it on 10.9, the system that
>> majority or at least a big number of LO users on OS X will want to run it
>> on.
>>
> and as I said below.. I _did_ download the beta2 build to a 10.9 and I
> did test it there before uploading.. it worked fine
>
> Norbert

I have received the same error message that Martin reports. I'm using
OS X 10.9. I'll add this to the bug report.

--Jean
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