Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bugzilla Migration: Abbreviation to replace fdo#12345

2013-12-07 Thread Mat M
Le Fri, 06 Dec 2013 22:31:53 +0100, Robinson Tryon  
 a écrit:



On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Mat M  wrote:
You should have cross-posted the vote announcement on all concerned  
lists,

then you'd been more votes.


What are the 'concerned lists'? i10n? projects? website?  Lots of
people interact with the bugtracker, chief among them, the QA team.


Well, I second on Norbert thoughts, and I was just saying, that, if you go  
for a vote, an announcement to the whole bunch of lists might have brought  
people in, like enlightning Norbert's views.



For me, the abbreviation is just one small part of the bigger Bugzilla
migration plan:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/LibreOffice_Bugzilla_Proposal

The reason we're having a vote now is because
Nov 8 - I mentioned abbreviation in the proposal
Nov 10/11 - Discussed abbrevs on the QA list
Nov 18 - QA Meeting decided to ask ESC for input
Nov 21 - ESC offered suggestions; said "the guys doing the work should  
choose."

Nov 21 - Looked for consensus on QA list
Dec 1 - Saw no consensus; Moving to vote on the QA list

I felt like I was working hard to go through appropriate channels.
Perhaps if I'd spent more time I could've gotten more input from other
groups, but at this point I feel like I've already spent a ton of time
on just this one little piece.


You worked hard, and that was appreciated, don't misunderstand me. But if  
you don't find a consensus on the QA list, you might ask for wider  
audience, so my remark. Not a critic in any way.

You did your best and we ackowledge that.
FWIW, I also appreciate all the bug metrics and follow-up QA provides, it  
is very nice and useful.



Well, if you want to mimic fdo, abbrev should be loo (libreoffice.org
instead of freedesktop.org)
loo is a good trade-off : more than 2, but less than 4; different of the
standard lo we use to shortcut LibreOffice


IIRC, in en-GB 'loo' == toilet
Well, I didn't check and that was more of a friday's troll than a real  
proposal.



(not that there aren't any piss-poor bug reports in FDO right now...)

;-)



BTW, I vote also for lo#


ok -- vote recorded.


If the devs really want lo#, just send in enough people to vote and
the outcome will be certain.

--R

brace yourselves, lo# is coming

Mat

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Bugzilla Migration: Abbreviation to replace fdo#12345

2013-12-06 Thread Mat M

Hello Robinson, *

Le Fri, 06 Dec 2013 07:54:07 +0100, Robinson Tryon  
 a écrit:
On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 12:05 AM, Norbert Thiebaud   
wrote:

but by a wide margin the only 4-char abbreviation in the
list has taken an early lead.

Sure, but if you were to ask that question on the dev-ml rather than
here.. I'd bet you you'd get many more vote for lo#


true.

I'd always like to have more devs listening-in on what we talk about
on the QA list...
;-)


You should have cross-posted the vote announcement on all concerned lists,  
then you'd been more votes.



PS: btw I don't see the appeal to want to stick characters in there to
re-inforce the idea that it is a bugzilla number... the # in it is
sufficient enough to make that clear
so the b/bz stuff is not only a waste of space.. but also completely
redundant. it is like climbing up or descending down...


Fair, fair. One other thing:
The abbreviation has a secondary purpose: to be used as shorthand for
the bugtracker. Using our two highest-profile options:
"Joel, go take a look at regressions on FDO" => "Joel, go take a look
at regressions on LO"
"Joel, go take a look at regressions on FDO" => "Joel, go take a look
at regressions on LOBZ"



Well, if you want to mimic fdo, abbrev should be loo (libreoffice.org  
instead of freedesktop.org)
loo is a good trade-off : more than 2, but less than 4; different of the  
standard lo we use to shortcut LibreOffice


BTW, I vote also for lo# if loo# has no access to the vote list ;)

Mat
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