[Libreoffice-qa] Presentation

[Manuel De Franceschi]

Hello,
I'm Manuel and I'm a new user of this list.
Good morning.
Manuel
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] 4.3 Bug Hunting Weekend!

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On 05/22/14 20:23, Joel Madero wrote:

Hi All,

Don't forget this weekend is our 4.3 bug hunting session! We really 
need as many people as possible testing 4.3 now so that developers can 
fix nasty regressions before release (which isn't too far away!).


Please join us in the /_*chat*_/: 
http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=libreoffice-qa


An experienced QA person should be around most of the weekend to help 
walk you through the steps.


To download /_*latest daily build*_/ of 4.3 please go here: 
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/


For /_*info on the bug hunting session*_/ see our wiki: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugHunting_Session_4.3.0#How_to_join




*Again - we need testers for 4.3 as it is the _only_ way that we will 
find any regressions that need resolved before release. Please - if 
you have a spare hour this weekend, join the chat, say hello, and get 
involved :)



*Warm Regards,
Joel


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http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7553238.html

Check out the comments.
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] 4.3 Upgrade unusable!

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On 05/01/14 21:33, V Stuart Foote wrote:

Hi Derek,

Sorry you are so challenged by what have been incremental improvements to
the LibreOffice user interface and function.

Fortunately, you are welcome to roll back to earlier releases more in line
with your comfort level.

Historical builds are vailable for direct download here:
http://downloadarchive.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/

Please understand that as your use becomes further and further removed from
the cadre of knowledgeable users your ability to obtain help or assistance
with these older versions will degrade.  And of course current  developer
support is restricted to the 4.3.0, 4.2.4 and for a little while longer the
4.1.6 release.

Good luck.

Stuart





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Hay, is 4.3 using QT for the Windows build? Or is GTK still in?
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] 4.3 Upgrade unusable!

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On 04/30/14 16:23, Derek Shoreman/tiscali wrote:
Regrettably have just upgraded from v 3.4 hoping for improvements and 
to include /add "Presentations"   I find this last just doesn't seem 
to work even though offered, and the lead in to the basic S/S and WP 
have changed so much as to be unusable  - I'm not prepared to relearn 
just to use an app I have used on and off for at least ten years!   In 
the past I have found OO and LO easy to move to every time, but sadly 
no longer.Everyone now seems to believe that change for change's 
sake is the bees knees, but this makes use of so many things for us 
over-experienced oldies IMPOSSIBLE.   I no longer have the patience or 
desire to be FORCED to alter my ways!

DS


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Oh, don't worry! There'll be a fork! You know trinity, mate etc...

Looks like I'm about to be hit soon... stuck on 4.1.4.2
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[Libreoffice-qa] subscribe

[Koberstein-ext, Jan (PRF/DE-GIES)]

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Enhancements - Getting User Input

[dE .]

On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Bjoern Michaelsen <
bjoern.michael...@canonical.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 08:18:17PM -0700, Joel Madero wrote:
> > We select 10-15 possible enhancements that can be completed in a
> > reasonably short period of time (within a minor release). We blog
> > about this (I can do this) with a simple poll. We then announce this
> > to the user list and make some PR announcement about "we are
> > listening to what you think!". Allowing this would limit the list to
> > enhancements that we agree can be done in a short period but open up
> > "which enhancement" to the wider community.
> >
> > My thought is we attempt this for our next release in 4.1
> >
> > Thoughts?
>
> Nope, at least not with PR or "we are listening to what you think!" up
> front.
> It needs to be the other way around: If you find a set of enhancements that
> seem to be valueable to users, the primary goals needs to be to sell those
> ideas to developers. Before a developer is commited to a task, there
> should not
> be any PR about it. And if its a volunteer, there should not be any PR
> about it
> before the task is _finished_. Everything else will end in tears.
>
> Best,
>
> Bjoern
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Also we don't need a new system for the voting, we already have the
bugzilla.
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Windows Store app??

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On 02/23/13 21:50, Michael Meeks wrote:

Hi Florian,

On Fri, 2013-02-22 at 17:08 +0100, Florian Reisinger wrote:

This very time I am especially addressing devs ;)

:-)


Is there a plan to have a Windows store app for Windows 8 RT devices?

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/hh700360.aspx

Given the unpleasant intersection of legal / license issues around this
topic, there are as of now no firm plans for this - though clearly
shipping in that store is a great goal.

All the best,

Michael.



Why do you think they wont kick it out cause it's competition? Besides 
where's the userbase of Windows 8? Android is a better goal, and Google 
may even fund the project.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] libre o. 4.0.0.3 - inaccurate pdf export

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On 02/11/13 17:05, Michael Fuchs wrote:

hi!

i am not sure where i can report bugs. therefore i hope this mail is 
sent to the right person :)


i am using LO 4003 with winxp32 and it is impossible for me to export 
really accurate pdf sizes.
it works neither with A4 nor with the attached file (test_210x210). i 
tried the export in standardmode and 100%; both failed.


i hope that bug will be fixed as soon as possible because its 
impossible to do serios work with that kind of offset.


regards michael


You man there's an inaccuracy of a few millimetres?
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[Libreoffice-qa] QA - LO4.0 - I'm a newbie testing, I need to know how to check if a bug exists

[Juan Matias de la Camara]

Hello... after all I'm new testing, so... I'm sorry because this stupid
question.

I'm trying the test case #56 from MozTrap, about exporting to OOXML.

The exported document lacks some features (for example horizontal lines I
have in a ODT and DOC versions).

There is a place where I can find the features OOXML exportation is suposed
to have?

Also I have another issue. When I double click an ODT file (or type
"lodev4.0 myfile.odt"), LO opens and then crash... how can I find if this
bug exists? (I mean, there are a lot of bugs in the bug list... is there
any code to catalog bugs so they are easy to find?)

Thanks!

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] clearing hyperlink in LibreOffice writer

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On 12/15/12 22:09, Chris Darwin wrote:

I'm testing 4.0 beta on Mac OSX 10.6.8  with English (UK) addition.

I cannot clear an internet  hyperlink from text using the hyperlink 
dialogue.  If I clear the URL and then press Apply, nothing happens. 
The link remains in the text.


Using Clear Direct Formatting doesn't clear the link either.

Chris Darwin
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Right click on the link and 'remove hyperlink'

As a tip, use paste special to past unformatted text copied from various 
sources with formatting.
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Impress bug

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On 12/16/12 01:00, Dan Lewis wrote:
 Yes, I'm believe it is fixed. I opened the presentation using LO 
3.6.4.3 and got the same logo that you did. It did mess it up that is 
for sure. LO 4.0 Beta shows the logo as it should be; LO 3.6.4.3 does not.


--Dan


Confirmed the same on Gentoo.
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Anyone got error 500 from fdo bugzilla?

[dE .]

On 12/07/12 21:24, Korrawit Pruegsanusak wrote:

Hello,

First, sorry for very late reply. And thanks for your reply.

On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 10:47 PM, dE .  wrote:

This happens when Apache is overloaded.

Currently, I still got hit by this bug. As I noticed, it happened on
every other page load (good, error, good, error), so I don't think
it's Apache overload, though.

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Well, I searched Google for it, and according to some, it was cause of 
overload. This kind of random behaviour is a symptom of the same; as you 
said before, it's only happens for a specified period of the day which 
suggests there's a lot of traffic to be served at that time.


Error 500 means Internal server error; Apache could be returning this 
code when it's overloaded, but 503 would've been better. But this could 
be a database overload instead (i/o bottleneck, MySQL didn't respond 
etc..), so Apache sends 500.

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[Libreoffice-qa] Fwd: Re: Triaging 3.5 bugs that have been fixed in 3.6

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Date: Dec 2, 2012 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Triaging 3.5 bugs that have been fixed in 3.6
To: "billhook" 

Download the rpm, extract and check.

Although this could mean settings corruption.

-
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On Nov 27, 2012 5:48 AM, "billhook"  wrote:

> There are a few bugs being reported by users of 3.5 that have been fixed in
> 3.6. What should be done with these bug reports? Seeing as the 3.5.7
> release
> was the last scheduled release for the 3.5 version?
>
> And is there anything in particular we should say to the reporters of these
> bugs (other than "please upgrade")? A lot of them are Linux users who rely
> on the update schedule of the distribution they use, which is often quite
> conservative for "Enterprise" distributions. OR they are corporate users
> who
> are stuck on a version mandated by their IT department.
>
> Sorry if this has been asked before...
>
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Anyone got error 500 from fdo bugzilla?

[dE .]

On 11/22/12 20:09, Korrawit Pruegsanusak wrote:

Hello all,

I've reported fdo#56586 [1] but it's still quiet. So, I would like to
ask here if anyone experienced problem as in this bug?

The problem is, I got 500 Internal Error, every second loading (good,
error, good, error, ...). I think this only happened when *not* logged
in.

Also, this is similar to fdo#55632 [2] that Rainer reported, but
everyone said in the bug that it was fixed in that time.

[1] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56586
[2] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55632

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This happens when Apache is overloaded.
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] 3.5.5.3's docx filter broken completely.

[dE .]

On 08/07/12 15:55, Petr Mladek wrote:

dE . píše v Pá 03. 08. 2012 v 23:21 +0530:

On 08/03/12 20:14, Michael Meeks wrote:

On Fri, 2012-08-03 at 19:15 +0530, dE . wrote:

Since version, 3.5.5.3 the docx filter practically does not work. All it
shows is text and formatting; libreoffice cant even detect the file
type, it asks to select one.

Is there a confirmed / most-annoying-bug about this ? if not I guess we
should file one - with platform specific details etc.

Of course, this may be a symptom of some file-association fight between
Microsoft Office and LibreOffice, and/or some other suite.

HTH,

Michael.


I'm using Gentoo, and libreoffice is launched by plasma/dolphin, and it
give this dialog asking about the format.

Could you please create a new bug report and attach a test document
there?

I wonder if it happens only with a particular document or with others as
well. Anyway, all these details belongs to bugzilla which is the right
place to track bugs :-)


Best Regards,
Petr



This's a Gentoo specific bug, does not happen with the official binaries.
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] 3.5.5.3's docx filter broken completely.

[dE .]

On 08/03/12 20:14, Michael Meeks wrote:

On Fri, 2012-08-03 at 19:15 +0530, dE . wrote:

Since version, 3.5.5.3 the docx filter practically does not work. All it
shows is text and formatting; libreoffice cant even detect the file
type, it asks to select one.

Is there a confirmed / most-annoying-bug about this ? if not I guess we
should file one - with platform specific details etc.

Of course, this may be a symptom of some file-association fight between
Microsoft Office and LibreOffice, and/or some other suite.

HTH,

Michael.



I'm using Gentoo, and libreoffice is launched by plasma/dolphin, and it 
give this dialog asking about the format.


Can any one else reproduce this (if they're having the same or higher 
version)?


I'll download the 3.6 alphas and see.
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[Libreoffice-qa] 3.5.5.3's docx filter broken completely.

[dE .]

Since version, 3.5.5.3 the docx filter practically does not work. All it 
shows is text and formatting; libreoffice cant even detect the file 
type, it asks to select one.


Is this been noted?
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Excel Function Meta Bug?

[dE .]

On 07/12/12 10:35, Rainer Bielefeld wrote:

Joel Madero schrieb:


I'd like to make a meta bug for functions that Excel has but that aren't
currently supported


Hi,

I am a little waffing. Such a Meta Bug would allow to get some 
objective data comparing capabilities of LibO Calc and Excel. But I 
hate this staring to excel and the boring "Excel does it so and so", 
that damps all creativity. Without more urgent arguments I currently 
would not create such a task bug.


BTW, I can't see relation of Bug 47164 with such a Task bug.

Best Regards


Rainer
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As of the current time, it appears LO has more functions than Excel (as 
per the attached document in the bug). So it's kind of a good comparison 
favouring LO.


Also this's good work!
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Alpha1 available from ppa [was: LibreOffice 3.6.0 ALPHA1 test builds available]

[dE .]

Sorry about that, and for the delay.

My PC is dead, so it'll take some time to check.

If this problem is reproducible with 3.6 beta, I'll report.

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On Jun 8, 2012 6:55 PM, "Bjoern Michaelsen" 
wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 08, 2012 at 02:25:13PM +0200, Petr Mladek wrote:
> > > Ubuntu Precise builds are for Ubuntu Precise and nothing else. That
> being said,
> > > this alpha release contains a packaging bug still that makes testing
> it very
> > > hard: The styles are not yet found at their current location.
> > >
> > > workaround: sudo ln -s
> /usr/share/libreoffice/share/config/images_tango.zip
> /usr/lib/libreoffice/share/config/images_tango.zip
> >
> > I am confused. How is this related to the missing libpng on Gentoo? ;-)
>
> see subject, it was a reply to my ppa mail ...
>
> Best,
>
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Alpha1 available from ppa [was: LibreOffice 3.6.0 ALPHA1 test builds available]

[dE .]

Are these static builds? Cause when extracting from RPMs, they complained
of missing libpng on Gentoo.

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> On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 11:16:15AM +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote:
> > Indeed -- I will need to fix some dependencies to make in install
> cleanly. So,
> > hold on for a bit until that is fixed.
>
> LibreOffice-3.6.0~alpha1~0ubuntu1~precise1~ppa4 from that PPA should now
> give
> you a base for testing. All of the above warnings still apply.
>
> Best,
>
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Office XP/2003, 2007/2010 formats import/export -- most used feature.

[dE .]

On 04/24/12 21:25, Petr Mladek wrote:

Hi dE,

I am happy to read this because I see a nice solution from what you
wrote.

dE . píše v Út 24. 04. 2012 v 10:55 +0530:

On 04/23/12 20:47, Michael Meeks wrote:
Yes, absolutely, the MAB should be in a reasonable limit such that it
looks 'solvable'.

Exactly. We need to keep the 50 or 200 bugs slightly aside. Do not
worry. We already put many less critical regressions aside but we fix
them actively.



What I suggest is a metabug for interoperability issues. These issues
are hard to fix, and the dev team should know that these bugs, although
hard to fix, are very important and if some dev does have the skills to
fix them, he should fix these bugs instead of doing something else.

Yes, we have several developers that worked and are working on
import/export problems.


Also in the list of ~200 bugs, I think real bugs will be only in ~50..
the others must be duplicates; the same bug reproducing itself in many
way. But these duplicates can only be detected by developers themselves
since this requires knowledge of the format.

It will be a big help if you could sort these interoperability bugs:

+ group them
+ prioritize them
+ close duplicates

In this case, I prefer using whiteboard instead of metabug:

+ it works fine (easy to set and query)
+ we already use it for bug in rtf import/export,
   general regressions, or easy hacks
+ it is clear where to add comment (to the particular bug :-)

The only drawback is that you need to remember the name of the keyword
but you would need to remember the number of the meta bug as well.


I suggest to put:

+ "inter-operability" into "Whiteboard" for all these bugs
+ plus "regression" in "Keywords" for things that used to work
   in older LO/OOo versions; this information is very helpful;
   even better is if someone finds what exact version first
   showed the regression
+ and maybe plus "doc_filter", "docx_filter", "ppt_filter",
   "pptx_filter", "xls_filter", "xlsx_filter" into "Whiteboard"
+ we already have "rtf_filter"
+ every format has its own group of experts that work on
   it, so this help them to find their bugs


I would add query for open "inter-operability" bugs at
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Release_Criteria. Take inspiration
from the query for "regressions".

If you have many bugs in more groups, it would make sense to create
similar pages that we have for easy hacks. Please, find inspiration at
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Easy_Hacks_by_Topic

I am looking forward to see this happen. It will be another big step
forward.


Best Regards,
Petr



I'll surely look forward to it.
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Glitch in fdo Bugzilla? (attachmend assigned to wrong account)

[dE .]

On 04/24/12 15:44, Roman wrote:

Am 23.04.12 12:38, schrieb Nino Novak:

in https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48329 the second attachment
(help_poster.doc) has been uploaded by user mikebgx, as shown correctly in the
entry in the "Attachments section" on top.

However comment #3 pretends I myself had uploaded the document.

I see the same phenomenon e.g. in
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47511: The attachment 60424
('ADocument.odt') was added by codevi...@gmail.com, right after his
original description, but the lines

Created attachment 60424 [details]
ADocument.odt

appear at the beginning of my comment #1, just as if I had added this
attachment.

I have observed this three days ago for the first time, I have never
seen this phaenomenon before (but more experienced QA people will know
better, of course).


In this case, it's not a problem, but what if the document contained
some malware...

I have to agree. At least, it is very irritating: you look for the
attachment announced in comment #x by user A, but it appears in comment
#x+1 by user B ... 'Where is the attachment by user A?' you may think.

Of course, the 'Attachments' list before all comments is correct.

Best,

Roman
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File a bug, but probably this's a upstream problem.
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Office XP/2003, 2007/2010 formats import/export -- most used feature.

[dE .]

On 04/23/12 23:51, MiguelAngel wrote:

El 23/04/12 17:17, Michael Meeks escribió:

Hi there,

On Mon, 2012-04-23 at 19:04 +0530, dE . wrote:

The MAB has been chaotic lately... actually it turned out that I didn't
get a lot of mails and missed out a lot of comments following the LONG
discussion in the bug... so sorry about that, I noticed them now.


:-)


What I've been trying to add to MAB are broken import/export
features/regressions of Office XP/2003, 2007/2010 formats.


While I disagree with your analysis of the use of ODF, I agree that
fixing interoperability bugs is important. Having said that, I'd really
like to keep the number of most annoying bugs really low.


These bugs are more critical than a few crashes and I estimate there're
~200 bugs in LO's bugzilla alone.


If there are more than about 20 open MAB (currently there are 
~70) it

becomes extremely easy to miss the screamingly urgent bugs that this was
setup to track. If you add another 200 there, no-one wins and we just
destroy this valuable place to look for "real blockers" :-)

There is some sort of near-zero-sum-game here, and hiding the 
signal in

a ton of noise is not a good idea. Worse - without developer input, what
looks to you like a simple "inter-operability bug" may in fact be a
substantial feature that needs a man month to implement, so serious care
is needed with these.

Having said that, having a keyword for inter-operability 
problems, that

we track the queries of, and try to increase interest in could be rather
good. IIRC we had an interop whiteboard status at some stage ? and we
could track that.

As a final thought - playing with the 'Most Annoying Bugs' is really
the pinacle of the QA effort :-) I'd suggest that for each person adding
or removing a bug from there, they also should do a handful of the more
vanilla work: checking and moving from UNCONFIRMED to a suitable state
eg. :-)

Just my 2 cents,

Michael.



+1 Michael.

Why we all think that bugs more interesting for us, must be the most 
important for project?. Every time, we need to remember that we aren't 
the bellybutton of world?.


No, I came to the conclusion via market statistics. If I want to see a 
complex doc(x), xls(x), ppt(x) etc... I use google docs... I've no 
issues, and for exports I use PDF.


So this issue generally matters the most.



Why we don't rethink twice in community/project terms, prior to set 
the importance level to the bug?.


Thinking about how much people can be affected?, Maybe only me?; Is 
there a workaround?; Is it only the format affected, or we need the 
photoshop to do it?; Can be a regression with not visible implications 
in calculation results?, etc.


We all must remember, devs are persons, not an entelechy to our 
service. IMHO as we do, they appreciate the courtesy and good and 
brief explanations. Because as must be, our priorities aren't their 
priorities, we need to gain them for our bug.


If was possible to add a little help like the Os field have, to the 
fields Severity and Priority, could help people understand better the 
meaning of this fields.


Miguel Ángel

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Office XP/2003, 2007/2010 formats import/export -- most used feature.

[dE .]

On 04/23/12 20:47, Michael Meeks wrote:

Hi there,

On Mon, 2012-04-23 at 19:04 +0530, dE . wrote:

The MAB has been chaotic lately... actually it turned out that I didn't
get a lot of mails and missed out a lot of comments following the LONG
discussion in the bug... so sorry about that, I noticed them now.

:-)


What I've been trying to add to MAB are broken import/export
features/regressions of Office XP/2003, 2007/2010 formats.

While I disagree with your analysis of the use of ODF, I agree that
fixing interoperability bugs is important. Having said that, I'd really
like to keep the number of most annoying bugs really low.


When I say the usage is very low, I'm looking at the statistics of 
google search results and the marketing tactics of commercial office suits.


Looking at these I find use of ODF only in opensource communities. 
Practically it has not been adopted anywhere, and that's why commercial 
office suits (who are more business oriented) do not give much 
preference to ODF.



These bugs are more critical than a few crashes and I estimate there're
~200 bugs in LO's bugzilla alone.

If there are more than about 20 open MAB (currently there are ~70) it
becomes extremely easy to miss the screamingly urgent bugs that this was
setup to track. If you add another 200 there, no-one wins and we just
destroy this valuable place to look for "real blockers" :-)

There is some sort of near-zero-sum-game here, and hiding the signal in
a ton of noise is not a good idea. Worse - without developer input, what
looks to you like a simple "inter-operability bug" may in fact be a
substantial feature that needs a man month to implement, so serious care
is needed with these.

Having said that, having a keyword for inter-operability problems, that
we track the queries of, and try to increase interest in could be rather
good. IIRC we had an interop whiteboard status at some stage ? and we
could track that.

As a final thought - playing with the 'Most Annoying Bugs' is really
the pinacle of the QA effort :-) I'd suggest that for each person adding
or removing a bug from there, they also should do a handful of the more
vanilla work: checking and moving from UNCONFIRMED to a suitable state
eg. :-)

Just my 2 cents,

Michael.



Yes, absolutely, the MAB should be in a reasonable limit such that it 
looks 'solvable'.


What I suggest is a metabug for interoperability issues. These issues 
are hard to fix, and the dev team should know that these bugs, although 
hard to fix, are very important and if some dev does have the skills to 
fix them, he should fix these bugs instead of doing something else.


Also in the list of ~200 bugs, I think real bugs will be only in ~50.. 
the others must be duplicates; the same bug reproducing itself in many 
way. But these duplicates can only be detected by developers themselves 
since this requires knowledge of the format.

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Bug 37361] LibreOffice 3.5 most annoying bugs

[dE .]

On 04/23/12 22:18, Petr Mladek wrote:

dE . píše v Ne 22. 04. 2012 v 08:52 +0530:


I've sent my suggestions to that bug.

Thanks for it. I am sorry. I was not able to read it today. I am very
busy with preparing the tag for 3.5.3-rc2. I am afraid that it will be
the same tomorrow :-(


Let's forward this discussion to libreoffice-qa mailing list.

Makes sense.


Before any addition/removal to that bug, I'll notify in the mailing list.

Yup, it is better to discuss it now, especially if you want to add more
bugs. Otherwise, it should not be needed in the future when everything
settles down and you will add 1 bug from time to time.

BTW: Do you go only through confirmed bugs or also though bugs that are
not confirmed?

Thanks for helping with the triage.


Best Regards,
Petr



Before things get more complicated, I'll just respond to the 
libreoffice-qa list.


No, this time I searched for the confirmed bugs only.
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[Libreoffice-qa] Office XP/2003, 2007/2010 formats import/export -- most used feature.

[dE .]

Hello everyone!

The MAB has been chaotic lately... actually it turned out that I didn't 
get a lot of mails and missed out a lot of comments following the LONG 
discussion in the bug... so sorry about that, I noticed them now.


What I've been trying to add to MAB are broken import/export 
features/regressions of Office XP/2003, 2007/2010 formats. Everyone 
should realize that this's the most important and features of LO, 
without which it's adoption is impossible.


No one uses ODF... any non-IT personal uses Office XP/2003, 2007/2010 
formats, and that's apparent when you search for docs on the web.

Yes, nowadays most of them are PDF, but next comes doc/docx/ppt/pptx etc...
Whatever documents you get in ODF, are IT related, on top of that it's 
the rarest possible case you get one.


In enterprise environments, this's always the case.

For libreoffice to be used anywhere except for IT environments, the 
Office XP/2003, 2007/2010 format import/export should be perfect, 
otherwise the software cannot be adopted by any chance.


You can take a hint form commercial products, they always advertise 
support for Office XP/2003, 2007/2010 formats, cause they know it's the 
most important feature.


And as of the current time, there're regressions over regressions in 
this field. Since the OOo fork, i/o bugs have boomed in the bugzilla and 
everyone's complaining about it.


It's very easy to get hands on documents which do not open/open 
incorrectly in LO. LO even breaks existing Office XP/2003, 2007/2010 
formats causing data loss. Imagine someone sending a .docx saved via 
libreoffice which does not open or opens wrongly formatting in MS 
office... he'll come to know about that bug when it's too late, this's 
surely going to make um leave LO at that moment.


These bugs are more critical than a few crashes and I estimate there're 
~200 bugs in LO's bugzilla alone.

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[Libreoffice-qa] MAB additions.

[dE .]

I suggestion addition of the following bugs -

Bug 32991 -- This's farely used in doc document, and may break the 
complete formatting of the document in some cases.


Bug 33263

Bug 48714

Bug 48713 -- Same test case as 48714
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Bug 37361] LibreOffice 3.5 most annoying bugs

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On 04/20/12 15:44, Rainer Bielefeld wrote:

Hi,

please excuse me, but I am getting a little impatient. I asked you not 
to bore all CC in Bug 37361 with those "I do no know what to do" 
comments. If you do not know leave the work for those who know and 
concentrate on improving information in the bugs. If you doubt that 
the rating of a bug Bug 34380 is not appropriate, only leave a comment 
in the Bug itself. But STOP those useless suggestions, discussions, 
... in such a TASK bug with lots of CC!


Please keep in mind that we all here have a lot of work and lots of 
undone work, we do not need your hints concerning Bugs needing review 
or similar, we know ourselves enough sites.


Concerning Bug 34380, Bug 34436, Bug 41261 I agree that rating might 
be inappropriate and too high. But I strictly disagree with your 
suggestion to modify rating, it helps nothing to sort them into other 
drawers, you only hinder other people at work. I urgently recommend 
that you stop that thinking about correct bugs rating (those ratings 
are less important than you might believe) and concentrate on 
improving Bug descriptions.


Best Regards

Rainer


Ok... forget bug ratings (as you say so)... but there're a lot of 
critical bugs hanging around for a year in bugzilla, before adding, I'll 
place them in this mailing list... fine?

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] do not update MAB without a comment - was: Re: [Bug 37361] LibreOffice 3.5 most annoying bugs

[dE .]

On 04/18/12 13:59, Petr Mladek wrote:

Petr Mladek píše v St 18. 04. 2012 v 10:21 +0200:

For example I am not sure why you added the bug 35158 :-)

I forgot to say that I agreed with the other nominated bugs. Great work!

Thanks for help with triaging.


Best Regards,
Petr



Don't you think bugzilla's bug priorities should be used instead of this 
meta bug?


Also making these kind of things public is bound to cause controversy, I 
don't think it's a good idea.

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