Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.5.2 RC2 test builds available
On Mon, 2012-04-23 at 17:06 +0200, Fridrich Strba wrote: > The problem is that we disabled it in the release build configuration > file. If the tinderbox is buidling without using the configuration > file, the defaults apply and it seems that cairo canvas is part of the > defaults. We should just disable that for windows I guess. Such tinderboxen will start failing soon I suppose, so it'd be good to try to unwind the per-platform default in configure.in I guess. ATB, Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com <><, Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.5.2 RC2 test builds available
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 23/04/12 16:30, Michael Meeks wrote: >> I think this was not cherry-picked or whatever you call it to >> master. > > Bother ! :-) The problem is that we disabled it in the release build configuration file. If the tinderbox is buidling without using the configuration file, the defaults apply and it seems that cairo canvas is part of the defaults. We should just disable that for windows I guess. Cheers F. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk+Vb94ACgkQu9a1imXPdA9QEACeLXvVMG7N5ROIWRPTIKN5jEse zrUAmgNQkJYnt15moAXFr2hE+caBUgvs =jkEH -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.5.2 RC2 test builds available
Hi Fridrich, On Sat, 2012-04-21 at 16:43 -0700, Pedro wrote: > > So - Fridrich is going to do a re-spin. The (only) change (in a > > nutshell) is to delete the cairocanvas.uno.dll from the program/ > > directory - so you can even test it before it goes live. ... > I think this was not cherry-picked or whatever you call it to master. Bother ! :-) > I can see exactly the same problem in version 3.6.0alpha0+ (Build ID: > 8a78020) and it is fixed by disabling Hardware acceleration. > > Should I REOPEN the bug? I think we'll be alright. I'll commit an assert in case this code is build on Windows / Mac to master in a bit ... ;-) Thanks for re-reporting though ! Regards, Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com <><, Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.5.2 RC2 test builds available
Hi Pedro, thanks for noticing ... I added Michael and Fridrich to cc. Pedro wrote (22-04-12 01:43) Michael Meeks-2 wrote Sure :-) luckily it is a really trivial bug to fix - it looks (to me) like the same bug as bug#45584 - Thorsten: dudie - you fixed only 1/2 a blocker bug symptom (ie. only for Mac) :-) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46901 So - Fridrich is going to do a re-spin. The (only) change (in a nutshell) is to delete the cairocanvas.uno.dll from the program/ directory - so you can even test it before it goes live. Thanks again for highlighting this ! both the image and text problems had the same underlying (silly) cause. I think this was not cherry-picked or whatever you call it to master. I can see exactly the same problem in version 3.6.0alpha0+ (Build ID: 8a78020) and it is fixed by disabling Hardware acceleration. Should I REOPEN the bug? -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.5.2 RC2 test builds available
Michael Meeks-2 wrote > > Sure :-) luckily it is a really trivial bug to fix - it looks (to me) > like the same bug as bug#45584 - Thorsten: dudie - you fixed only 1/2 a > blocker bug symptom (ie. only for Mac) :-) > >> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46901 > > So - Fridrich is going to do a re-spin. The (only) change (in a > nutshell) is to delete the cairocanvas.uno.dll from the program/ > directory - so you can even test it before it goes live. > > Thanks again for highlighting this ! both the image and text problems > had the same underlying (silly) cause. > I think this was not cherry-picked or whatever you call it to master. I can see exactly the same problem in version 3.6.0alpha0+ (Build ID: 8a78020) and it is fixed by disabling Hardware acceleration. Should I REOPEN the bug? -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-qa-ANN-LibreOffice-3-5-2-RC2-test-builds-available-tp3865482p3929060.html Sent from the QA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.5.2 RC2 test builds available
Hi Petr, all I'm glad to announce that the version number in the binary files now matches the About dialog information under Windows!!! This has been committed both to the 3.5 and 3.6 branch so it will be available in the next RC (and Beta). I have confirmed this with a daily build from the 3.5 branch http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/Win-x86@15-Prague_Win32/libreoffice-3-5/2012-04-10_06.59.39/ Thank you! -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-qa-ANN-LibreOffice-3-5-2-RC2-test-builds-available-tp3865482p3900425.html Sent from the QA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.5.2 RC2 test builds available
Hi Petr, all Petr Mladek wrote > > Hmm, where do you see the version 3.5.0 and 3.4.602? I can't find it > anywhere. I checked name of the installer, about dialog and output from > libreoffice --version. So, I am confused. > In the file properties of any exe file under Windows https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47840 http://ask.libreoffice.org/question/1459/secunia-psi-reports-insecure Secunia gets the file version from the binary files http://secunia.com/vulnerability_scanning/personal/how_it_works/ Regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-qa-ANN-LibreOffice-3-5-2-RC2-test-builds-available-tp3865482p3883827.html Sent from the QA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.5.2 RC2 test builds available
Pedro píše v Po 02. 04. 2012 v 07:41 -0700: > Petr Mladek wrote > > > > Why could it cause bad image? IMHO, it was bug on the Secunia side and > > it is fixed now. We used this version scheme also for LO-3.4 and nobody > > complained. > > > > A bug on the Secunia side that LO version 3.5.1 and 3.5.2 are named 3.5.0? I > have to disagree... I agree that it looks bad. > As I mentioned in a previous email, it was NOT the same in 3.4.x: e.g. > 3.4.6 was named named 3.4.602 > It wasn't correct but it was visibly similar (the number after the second > point is the same) and the numbers were increasing on the correct group > (third group) Hmm, where do you see the version 3.5.0 and 3.4.602? I can't find it anywhere. I checked name of the installer, about dialog and output from libreoffice --version. So, I am confused. Best Regards, Petr ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.5.2 RC2 test builds available
Petr Mladek wrote > > Why could it cause bad image? IMHO, it was bug on the Secunia side and > it is fixed now. We used this version scheme also for LO-3.4 and nobody > complained. > A bug on the Secunia side that LO version 3.5.1 and 3.5.2 are named 3.5.0? I have to disagree... As I mentioned in a previous email, it was NOT the same in 3.4.x: e.g. 3.4.6 was named named 3.4.602 It wasn't correct but it was visibly similar (the number after the second point is the same) and the numbers were increasing on the correct group (third group) Petr Mladek wrote > It looks trivial but it is not. We would need to do clean build for all > systems, upload them to mirrors, restart smoketests, ... So, this change > would delay the release by many days. > > Also, it is potentially dangerous. The version is defined and used on > many locations. Any change could cause strange side effects. Also there > are many scripts around that depends on a certain version scheme. So, we > should not change this between rc2 and rc3 if there is not a big reason. > As I mentioned before since version 3.5.0 was wrongly named 3.5.0rc3 and 3.5.1 named 3.5.0.102 it would be great to get a correct 3.5.x release... Hopefully, it will be correct for 3.5.3 ;) Regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-qa-ANN-LibreOffice-3-5-2-RC2-test-builds-available-tp3865482p3877876.html Sent from the QA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.5.2 RC2 test builds available
Pedro Lino píše v Čt 29. 03. 2012 v 19:06 +0100: > Hi all, > > Did anyone verify that the version info is updated (re the > secunia > reports problem) > > > I think Secunia has already fixed the numbering so that the warning it > gone for version 3.5.1. > > But the Version number in the file Properties for 3.5.2rc2 is now > 3.5.0.202 instead of 3.5.2.2 > > Unless there is an rc3 and this is fixed meanwhile LO is going to get > a bad image with Secunia (and all the security minded people :) ) Why could it cause bad image? IMHO, it was bug on the Secunia side and it is fixed now. We used this version scheme also for LO-3.4 and nobody complained. > Personally I couldn't care less about Secunia but since it only takes > a small number change, I think it would be worth the effort :) It looks trivial but it is not. We would need to do clean build for all systems, upload them to mirrors, restart smoketests, ... So, this change would delay the release by many days. Also, it is potentially dangerous. The version is defined and used on many locations. Any change could cause strange side effects. Also there are many scripts around that depends on a certain version scheme. So, we should not change this between rc2 and rc3 if there is not a big reason. Well, I agree that 3.5.0.202 is ugly. We are discussion to use the more reasonable version scheme 3.5.2.2 now, see http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2012-April/029263.html If it goes well, we might try it for 3.5.3 release. Best Regards, Petr ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.5.2 RC2 test builds available
Hi all, Did anyone verify that the version info is updated (re the secunia > reports problem) > > I think Secunia has already fixed the numbering so that the warning it gone for version 3.5.1. But the Version number in the file Properties for 3.5.2rc2 is now 3.5.0.202 instead of 3.5.2.2 Unless there is an rc3 and this is fixed meanwhile LO is going to get a bad image with Secunia (and all the security minded people :) ) Personally I couldn't care less about Secunia but since it only takes a small number change, I think it would be worth the effort :) Regards, Pedro ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.5.2 RC2 test builds available
Hi Christian Did anyone verify that the version info is updated (re the secunia > reports problem) > http://ask.libreoffice.org/question/1459/secunia-psi-reports-insecure > also on the mailinglists) > > i.e. version info of soffice.exe, not the one in the about dialog. > I didn't check that and now I can't have access to the installer at http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/win/x86/ it only shows the help packs. Was the installer removed? Regards, Pedro ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.5.2 RC2 test builds available
Hi *, On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 8:13 PM, Fridrich Strba wrote: > > for the upcoming new version 3.5.2, the RC2 builds now start to be > available on pre-releases. Did anyone verify that the version info is updated (re the secunia reports problem) http://ask.libreoffice.org/question/1459/secunia-psi-reports-insecure also on the mailinglists) i.e. version info of soffice.exe, not the one in the about dialog. ciao Christian ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.5.2 RC2 test builds available
On Wed, 2012-03-28 at 15:30 -0700, Pedro wrote: > I can't believe that 3.5.2 is going to be released with Slideshow completely > ruined for all Windows users... :-) lets not conclude that. The purpose of the RC's is to find horrible bugs that havn't been noticed yet. > This is a regression against 3.5.0 introduced in version 3.5.1 It's a shame that (somehow) the priority of this was not set sufficiently high that anybody noticed when looking through the most annoying bugs I guess. It's a bad bug & regression too, but only marked 'major'. > Doesn't anybody care about the bad image this projects? Sure :-) luckily it is a really trivial bug to fix - it looks (to me) like the same bug as bug#45584 - Thorsten: dudie - you fixed only 1/2 a blocker bug symptom (ie. only for Mac) :-) > https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46901 So - Fridrich is going to do a re-spin. The (only) change (in a nutshell) is to delete the cairocanvas.uno.dll from the program/ directory - so you can even test it before it goes live. Thanks again for highlighting this ! both the image and text problems had the same underlying (silly) cause. ATB, Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com <><, Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.5.2 RC2 test builds available
Pedro wrote (29-03-12 01:13) If Hardware Acceleration is not important then it's okay to do that. But it must be, otherwise it wouldn't be activated by default, right? I've really no idea what positive thing it should bring :-) -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.5.2 RC2 test builds available
Cor Nouws wrote > > A simple patch to turn hardware acceleration off by default wouldn't have > be to hard ? > That is an "aspirin solution". That would hide the symptoms instead of curing the disease. And once it is hidden it usually gets forgotten... If Hardware Acceleration is not important then it's okay to do that. But it must be, otherwise it wouldn't be activated by default, right? -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-qa-ANN-LibreOffice-3-5-2-RC2-test-builds-available-tp3865482p3866288.html Sent from the QA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.5.2 RC2 test builds available
Fridrich Strba wrote (28-03-12 20:13) If you've a bit of time, please give them a try & report *critical* [...] Just to confirm that I found no probs with installation and so .. -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.5.2 RC2 test builds available
Pedro wrote (29-03-12 00:30) Doesn't anybody care about the bad image this projects? https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46901 A simple patch to turn hardware acceleration off by default wouldn't have be to hard ? -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.5.2 RC2 test builds available
I can't believe that 3.5.2 is going to be released with Slideshow completely ruined for all Windows users... This is a regression against 3.5.0 introduced in version 3.5.1 Doesn't anybody care about the bad image this projects? https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46901 http://ask.libreoffice.org/question/1367/cant-see-pictures-in-impress-presentation http://ask.libreoffice.org/question/1463/distorted-display-on-laptop http://ask.libreoffice.org/question/1247/impress-slideshow-broke-in-3512 -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Libreoffice-qa-ANN-LibreOffice-3-5-2-RC2-test-builds-available-tp3865482p3866202.html Sent from the QA mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LibreOffice 3.5.2 RC2 test builds available
Hi *, for the upcoming new version 3.5.2, the RC2 builds now start to be available on pre-releases. This build is slated to be second release candidate build on the way towards 3.5.2, please refer to our release plan timings here: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan#3.5_release Builds are now being uploaded to a public (but non-mirrored - so don't spread news too widely!) place, as soon as they're available. Grab them here: http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/ If you've a bit of time, please give them a try & report *critical* bugs not yet in bugzilla here, so we can incorporate them into the release notes. Please note that it takes approximately 24 hours to populate the mirrors, so that's about the time we have to collect feedback. The list of fixed bugs relative to 3.5.2 RC1 is here: http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/src/bugfixes-libreoffice-3-5-2-release-3.5.2.2.log So playing with the areas touched there also greatly appreciated - and validation that those bugs are really fixed. Thanks a lot for your help, Fridrich ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/