Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Unity Integration issues?
Hi Robinson, On Sun, 2013-02-24 at 17:10 -0500, Robinson Tryon wrote: http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/11626/unity-integration-in-libreoffice-40-doesnt-work/ Thanks for looking into this ! so this is essentially a build environment problem. If you want Unity integration to work - you will need to get a build from your distributor. The essential problem is that we have to build on a -really- old Linux in order to be backwards compatible. That old linux does not include GIO and glib-dbus. Since the Unity menu integration not only depends on glib-dbus, but is not cleanly separated in such a way that it can be dynamically loaded on systems where that code is there - we can't ship it enabled in our builds [ without loosing a lot of backwards compatibility ]. - Is there currently a source for builds with Unity menu integration? Sure - so downloading a PPA from Ubuntu should do it nicely. I believe the same code also shipped with the last Ubuntu release as a back-port (though I'm no expert there. - Did we miss something in testing the final rc 3? (and how can we prevent this type of issue next time?) This is basically an issue of how the feature was implemented, if you do: git grep ENABLE_GMENU_INTEGRATION you can see the pieces that would need some abstract interface implementing, and the bits that need splitting out into a plugin we can dynamically load. Not a huge amount of work - a few man days perhaps. So - I guess we should release note this / tweak the features page to make it clear that this is only available from distribution builds - is that something you can chase ? Sorry about that ! Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Unity Integration issues?
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 4:40 AM, Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.com wrote: Thanks for looking into this ! so this is essentially a build environment problem. If you want Unity integration to work - you will need to get a build from your distributor. Ah, okay. We definitely should make that more clear in our Release Notes. I had users trying to download the stock build because we didn't provide any other information or download/install links. - Is there currently a source for builds with Unity menu integration? Sure - so downloading a PPA from Ubuntu should do it nicely. I believe the same code also shipped with the last Ubuntu release as a back-port (though I'm no expert there. I've just posted information on all of the LibreOffice PPAs I can find here: http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/11626/unity-integration-in-libreoffice-40-doesnt-work/ Bug is filed here: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61461 When you say last Ubuntu release, do you mean 12.10? - Did we miss something in testing the final rc 3? (and how can we prevent this type of issue next time?) This is basically an issue of how the feature was implemented, if you do: git grep ENABLE_GMENU_INTEGRATION you can see the pieces that would need some abstract interface implementing, and the bits that need splitting out into a plugin we can dynamically load. Not a huge amount of work - a few man days perhaps. The technical details are certainly interesting, but I'd like to focus on just the issue of delivery to our users: In terms of testing, what should the QA team do to make sure that the set of features on the feature list correlates with the builds that we're pushing out the door? The simplest test I can think of is to get someone in QA to take the final rc (before release, natch!) and use the feature list as a checklist. If they can't get a particular feature to work, they file a (blocker?) bug. One way to clear the block is to just drop the feature from being listed for the release. So - I guess we should release note this / tweak the features page to make it clear that this is only available from distribution builds - is that something you can chase ? Certainly. I'll try to figure out the appropriate people to contact. Sorry about that ! No worries -- I seem to have a knack at ferreting-out problems like these :-) It sounds like LibreOffice may be experiencing some growing pains...but I don't think growing pains are all bad. As the project gets bigger, we may need to adjust our mechanisms to account for the fact that one person or one team can't keep track of all the pieces of a release. As long as we're open-minded about how the project needs to adapt to the new challenges we face, and as long as put some checks in place to make sure that we don't keep making the same types of mistakes over and over, then I think we'll do all right :-) --R ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Unity Integration issues?
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Bjoern Michaelsen bjoern.michael...@canonical.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 09:40:50AM +, Michael Meeks wrote: - Is there currently a source for builds with Unity menu integration? Yes, Ubuntu Raring has the build with the upstreamed Unity integration. That's unreleased, AFAIK, so less useful for us to advertise to end users. Packages on Ubuntu 12.10 already had the Unity integration vendor patched in. I don't have a 12.10 system to test this, but I do have a user on the Ask site who I will ask to confirm. Here's what I'm going to tell him for repro steps (please correct/confirm): 1. apt-get update; apt-get install libreoffice 2. At this point, he should have 3.6.(?) installed, with Unity menu support. Note that it makes no sense to backport the Unity integration to Ubuntu 12.04 LTS as the Unity side of things isnt ready for it yet there. As Ubuntu 12.04 is still a supported version of Ubuntu, perhaps I should update the LO Release Notes for 4.0 with something like: Unity integration is available via the official Ubuntu repositories. Only the following Ubuntu/LibreOffice combinations are currently supported: - Ubuntu 12.10, LO 3.6 - Ubuntu 13.04, LO 4.0 Do you see any issue with that going into the 4.0 Release Notes? Sure - so downloading a PPA from Ubuntu should do it nicely. I believe the same code also shipped with the last Ubuntu release as a back-port (though I'm no expert there. Yes: Unity integration has been backported to LibreOffice 3.6 on Ubuntu 12.10. great. - Did we miss something in testing the final rc 3? (and how can we prevent this type of issue next time?) No, its in the source and depends not only on things on the LibreOffice side, but also on a rather modern Unity version. As such, it makes currently little sense to enable it outside of distribution builds, which have a clear view of the state of the rest of the system dependencywise. It sounds like maybe we're on two different wavelengths here. I'm not asking about where this feature is implemented in the source. I'm not asking technical questions. I'm asking about a discrepancy between the official feature list that we put on the LibreOffice website and the reality of the builds that we offer users to install. To be frank, I'm a little frustrated right now that I've spent a couple of hours triaging and dealing with this issue and trying to help out Ubuntu users on the LO Ask site, only to discover that it was clear to the Ubuntu devs all along that this feature would not work on Ubuntu 12.04 at all and would only work on Ubuntu 12.10 + LO 3.6 via Ubuntu's repositories. - Where should the users have ascertained this information? - Where should LO volunteers such as myself have ascertained this information? - Are there any docs on this matter? Had there been more extensive documentation linked from the Release Notes from the day we shipped 4.0, it would have taken me only a few minutes to field this user's questions. Perhaps we can figure out a way to make sure that for future releases, features listed on our Release Notes pages have some minimum level of documentation before we ship any product. Alternatively, I'd be happy to direct questions regarding a particular feature to the developer of said feature, if that would be more amenable. Cheers, --R ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Unity Integration issues?
I've been fielding several questions about Unity integration in LibreOffice. For example: http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/11626/unity-integration-in-libreoffice-40-doesnt-work/ The LO Release Notes/Features pages describe this support as landing in LO 4.0.0: https://www.libreoffice.org/download/4-0-new-features-and-fixes/ https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.0 However, I haven't been able to find any users who successfully gotten Unity menu integration running on their system from our builds. Q's: - Is there currently a source for builds with Unity menu integration? - Should I file a bug about this problem? - Did we miss something in testing the final rc 3? (and how can we prevent this type of issue next time?) Thanks, -- Robinson 'qubit' Tryon ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
