Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Moztrap] Some questions to the test cases, particularly #130
Hello Petr, *, On Fri, Apr 05, 2013 at 12:07:15PM +0200, Petr Mladek wrote: > Thomas Hackert píše v St 03. 04. 2013 v 19:26 +0200: > > On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 02:12:32PM +0800, Yifan Jiang wrote: > > no. You have written above > > > > 1. The welcome window should be appeared > > > > and on this I have written my comment ... ;) > > > > > The welcome window in test case means the first screen shown > > > immediately after launching `libreoffice` without components (writer, > > > calc, base etc.) opened. > > > > That is called "StartCenter" (Startcenter?), IIRC ... ;) > > > > > The screenshot explains it :) > > > > I see only the StartCenter on it, not the "welcome window" ... :( > > I think that names "StartCenter" and "Welcome Screen" means the same > here. By other words, some people, including Yi Fan and me, use the name > "Welcome Screen" for "StartCenter". I see the "StartCenter" is the > official name http://www.libreoffice.org/features/screenshot/ and we > should use it. O.K. > > IIRC > > was the welcome window the first window (if you have never installed LO > > before ... ;) ), where you could configure your name and the like ... > > You can find it at > > http://www.openoffice.org/download/common/instructions.html for example, > > when you search for "welcome w" or in an older setup guide for OOo > > (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=%22welcome%20window%22&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&ved=0CDwQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.openoffice.org%2Fdocumentation%2Fsetup_guide2%2F2.x%2Fen%2FSETUP_GUIDE_A4.pdf&ei=GmNcUcWrF9SN4gSiiQE&usg=AFQjCNG1M-7J_xn3LclC0sle5Saa51aBjw&bvm=bv.44697112,d.bGE > > Ah, it seems that OOo people use "Welcome Screen" for this first start > wizard. I think so ... ;) > This wizard has been removed in LibreOffice. It might explain why few > people started to use "Welcome Screen" for the "StartCenter" in > LibreOffice. O.K. > PS: I am just trying to update my mental links and use "StartCenter" in > the future. Let's see how I am successful ;-) Good luck :) Have a nice evening Thomas. -- When there are two conflicting versions of the story, the wise course is to believe the one in which people appear at their worst. -- H. Allen Smith, "Let the Crabgrass Grow" ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Moztrap] Some questions to the test cases, particularly #130
Thomas Hackert píše v St 03. 04. 2013 v 19:26 +0200: > Hello Yifan, *, > On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 02:12:32PM +0800, Yifan Jiang wrote: > no. You have written above > > 1. The welcome window should be appeared > > and on this I have written my comment ... ;) > > > The welcome window in test case means the first screen shown > > immediately after launching `libreoffice` without components (writer, > > calc, base etc.) opened. > > That is called "StartCenter" (Startcenter?), IIRC ... ;) > > > The screenshot explains it :) > > I see only the StartCenter on it, not the "welcome window" ... :( I think that names "StartCenter" and "Welcome Screen" means the same here. By other words, some people, including Yi Fan and me, use the name "Welcome Screen" for "StartCenter". I see the "StartCenter" is the official name http://www.libreoffice.org/features/screenshot/ and we should use it. > IIRC > was the welcome window the first window (if you have never installed LO > before ... ;) ), where you could configure your name and the like ... > You can find it at > http://www.openoffice.org/download/common/instructions.html for example, > when you search for "welcome w" or in an older setup guide for OOo > (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=%22welcome%20window%22&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&ved=0CDwQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.openoffice.org%2Fdocumentation%2Fsetup_guide2%2F2.x%2Fen%2FSETUP_GUIDE_A4.pdf&ei=GmNcUcWrF9SN4gSiiQE&usg=AFQjCNG1M-7J_xn3LclC0sle5Saa51aBjw&bvm=bv.44697112,d.bGE Ah, it seems that OOo people use "Welcome Screen" for this first start wizard. This wizard has been removed in LibreOffice. It might explain why few people started to use "Welcome Screen" for the "StartCenter" in LibreOffice. Best Regards, Petr PS: I am just trying to update my mental links and use "StartCenter" in the future. Let's see how I am successful ;-) ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Moztrap] Some questions to the test cases, particularly #130
Hello Yifan, *, On Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 02:12:32PM +0800, Yifan Jiang wrote: > > > In English // steps > > > > > > Launch LibreOffice main program (vp. 1) > > > Click on the "File" menu (vp. 2 vp. 3) > > > > > > In English // expected result > > > > > > 1. The welcome window should be appeared > > > > That is a different point, I nearly forgot ... :( IIRC the welcome > > window only appears, when no LO was installed before, or am I wrong > > ;? Thanks for your answer (and forwarding this mail to the dev ML as > > well Thomas. > > Did you mean "splash screen", which is I usually called, with loading > progress bar during launching LO? It disappears after LO loaded. no. You have written above 1. The welcome window should be appeared and on this I have written my comment ... ;) > The welcome window in test case means the first screen shown > immediately after launching `libreoffice` without components (writer, > calc, base etc.) opened. That is called "StartCenter" (Startcenter?), IIRC ... ;) > The screenshot explains it :) I see only the StartCenter on it, not the "welcome window" ... :( IIRC was the welcome window the first window (if you have never installed LO before ... ;) ), where you could configure your name and the like ... You can find it at http://www.openoffice.org/download/common/instructions.html for example, when you search for "welcome w" or in an older setup guide for OOo (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=%22welcome%20window%22&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&ved=0CDwQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.openoffice.org%2Fdocumentation%2Fsetup_guide2%2F2.x%2Fen%2FSETUP_GUIDE_A4.pdf&ei=GmNcUcWrF9SN4gSiiQE&usg=AFQjCNG1M-7J_xn3LclC0sle5Saa51aBjw&bvm=bv.44697112,d.bGE ... Sorry for this long link, but I have found the link with the search on OOo's website ... :( And attention: It is an PDF file ... ;) ). Have a nice evening Thomas. -- Why not? -- What? -- Why not? -- Why should I not send it? -- Why should I not dispatch it? -- Why not? -- Strange! I don't know why I shouldn't -- Well, then -- You will do me this favor. -- Why not? -- Why should you not do it? -- Why not? -- Strange! I shall do the same for you, when you want me to. Why not? Why should I not do it for you? Strange! Why not? -- I can't think why not. -- Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, from a letter to his cousin Maria, "The Definitive Biography of PDQ Bach", Peter Schickele ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Moztrap] Some questions to the test cases, particularly #130
Hi Thomas, On Tue, Apr 02, 2013 at 06:02:52PM +0200, Thomas Hackert wrote: > > In English // steps > > > > Launch LibreOffice main program (vp. 1) > > Click on the "File" menu (vp. 2 vp. 3) > > > > In English // expected result > > > > 1. The welcome window should be appeared > > That is a different point, I nearly forgot ... :( IIRC the welcome > window only appears, when no LO was installed before, or am I wrong > ;? Thanks for your answer (and forwarding this mail to the dev ML as > well Thomas. Did you mean "splash screen", which is I usually called, with loading progress bar during launching LO? It disappears after LO loaded. The welcome window in test case means the first screen shown immediately after launching `libreoffice` without components (writer, calc, base etc.) opened. The screenshot explains it :) Best wishes, Yifan -- Yifan Jiang Libreoffice / SUSE Contact: yifan - irc.freenode.net/libreoffice = http://www.libreoffice.org/ http://www.documentfoundation.org/ <>___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Moztrap] Some questions to the test cases, particularly #130
Hello Yifan, *, On Tue, Apr 02, 2013 at 06:04:15PM +0800, Yifan Jiang wrote: > Sorry to interrupt, just to confirm, were you aware of some > changes to the menu item File->Template (it seemed gone since > 4.x)? I have not installed an 3.x version, so I am not able to check it there, sorry ... :( > The background is we were talking about vp.6 in a regression test case: > > > http://manual-test.libreoffice.org/manage/cases/?&pagenumber=1&pagesize=20&sortfield=created_on&sortdirection=desc&filter-id=130 > > And if we ever removed the menu, we will update the test > case as well. Thanks for your confirmative information:) And maybe other sites/documentation as well ... :( > Hi Thomas, > > Thanks for the thorough review of the testing :) Yes, I found the > submenu seems gone on my 4.x build as well. The case may need update > since it was written based on the 3.6.x build. O.K. > Referring to your question, "vp" means "verify point", vp.1 > appended to a step indicates the "expected result" will start with > numbering 1, eg.: Ah, O.K. Thanks for your explanation :) > In English // steps > > Launch LibreOffice main program (vp. 1) > Click on the "File" menu (vp. 2 vp. 3) > > In English // expected result > > 1. The welcome window should be appeared That is a different point, I nearly forgot ... :( IIRC the welcome window only appears, when no LO was installed before, or am I wrong ;? Thanks for your answer (and forwarding this mail to the dev ML as well Thomas. -- A diplomatic husband said to his wife, "How do you expect me to remember your birthday when you never look any older?" ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Moztrap] Some questions to the test cases, particularly #130
Yifan Jiang píše v Út 02. 04. 2013 v 18:04 +0800: > Hi Devs, > > Sorry to interrupt, just to confirm, were you aware of some > changes to the menu item File->Template (it seemed gone since > 4.x)? > > The background is we were talking about vp.6 in a regression test case: > > > http://manual-test.libreoffice.org/manage/cases/?&pagenumber=1&pagesize=20&sortfield=created_on&sortdirection=desc&filter-id=130 > > And if we ever removed the menu, we will update the test > case as well. Thanks for your confirmative information:) It is related to the new templates manager, see https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.0#GUI AFAIK, it still have some usability problems and will be improved for LO-4.1. Cedric know more about it. Best Regards, Petr ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Moztrap] Some questions to the test cases, particularly #130
Hi Devs, Sorry to interrupt, just to confirm, were you aware of some changes to the menu item File->Template (it seemed gone since 4.x)? The background is we were talking about vp.6 in a regression test case: http://manual-test.libreoffice.org/manage/cases/?&pagenumber=1&pagesize=20&sortfield=created_on&sortdirection=desc&filter-id=130 And if we ever removed the menu, we will update the test case as well. Thanks for your confirmative information:) Hi Thomas, Thanks for the thorough review of the testing :) Yes, I found the submenu seems gone on my 4.x build as well. The case may need update since it was written based on the 3.6.x build. Referring to your question, "vp" means "verify point", vp.1 appended to a step indicates the "expected result" will start with numbering 1, eg.: In English // steps Launch LibreOffice main program (vp. 1) Click on the "File" menu (vp. 2 vp. 3) In English // expected result 1. The welcome window should be appeared 2. These menu items should be activated: New, Open, Recent Documents, Wizards, Close, Templates, Exit Best wishes, Yifan On Tue, Apr 02, 2013 at 04:56:43AM +0200, Yifan Jiang wrote: > Good morning Yifan, *, > during my translation of the test cases in Moztrap into German, I > stumbled upon #130 > (http://vm12.documentfoundation.org/manage/case/130/). There I found > > Click on the mouse on the File -> Templates sub-menu and click on each > items inside (vp. 6) > > ... > > I have looked in my installed LO Version 4.0.2.2 (Build ID: > 4c82dcdd6efcd48b1d8bba66bfe1989deee49c3) as well as in Version 4.0.1.2 > (Build ID: 84102822e3d61eb989ddd325abf1ac077904985) under Debian Testing > AMD64, but have neither in my Germanophone UI nor when I switch the UI > to English such an entry in the menu ... :( I have only found one under > File -> New (in German: Datei -> Neu...). Now I am not sure, if this is > a relic from former versions (or from OOo times) or if you use a > different version or the like ... :( > > What version of LO (with what locale on your OS, which OS etc.) are you > using to create the test cases? Is there a difference to my > system/version? If not, could you correct the test and its expected > result? > > And I would like to see some native speakers of the English language to > proofread the test cases ... ;) Maybe my English is too bad and/or there > were some changes since my last lessons, but the example above sounds a > little bit strange to me* ... :( Do not get me wrong: I neither want to > be rude nor belittle your work at Moztrap, but should this not be > > Click on the File -> Templates sub-menu and click on each > item inside (vp. 6) > > instead? And as a final question: What does this "vp." mean? > > * This is not the only description, where I was wondering about the > wording ... ;) > > Sorry for the inconvenience and have a nice day > Thomas. > ___ > List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list > Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org > Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ > -- Yifan Jiang Libreoffice / SUSE Contact: yifan - irc.freenode.net/libreoffice = http://www.libreoffice.org/ http://www.documentfoundation.org/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
