Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Extensive docx conversion tests...
Hi Roopesh, Just did some testing of my own and you had the version numbering wrong as MS Office 2013 is 15.0, MS Office 2010 is 14.0 and MS Office 2007 is 12.0. I checked the output of files from office.com and they had 00.0001. Jay Philips On 04/24/2014 08:51 AM, Roopesh Kohad wrote: Hi Jay, I had looked at your earlier mail and figured that you are testing word odf documents coming into LibreOffice. I exclusively test DOCX format coming in out of LibreOffice, so was interested to know the methodology. There is a way to know what software created the DOCX. If you unzip the file and go to docProps/app.xml, there is a tag Application Version which can tell you the application used to create the DOCX. However, what I have observed is applications don't update this religiously. Its only Microsoft Office which puts this information. The Version correspond to a specific release of MS Office. 10.0 = MS Office 2007, 12.0 = MS Office 2010, 14.0 = MS Office 2013. Hope this helps. regards, Roopesh Original Message Subject:Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Extensive docx conversion tests... Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 13:12:55 +0400 From: Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com mailto:philip...@hotmail.com To: libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org mailto:libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Hi Roopesh, Well as i dont have .docx files of my own, i thought the best place to get .docx files was from microsoft's website, as they wouldnt be using any other word processor to create them. :) I may venture beyond their website if i can find a good source of .docxs created in word. Is there any means of knowing what was the software used to create the .docx? Yes i testing what comes from various word processors into LibreOffice writer and out. If you see my last message in the mailing list, i explain my basic routine. Jay Philips On 04/22/2014 11:16 AM, Roopesh Kohad wrote: Hi Jay, The subject of thread caught my eye. I am working on testing preservation of .docx file format after file is saved in LibreOffice. You have written, I am doing extensive docx and doc conversion tests on libreoffice from files pulled from microsoft's website... I am just curious what kind of test files are you employing to test? If it is restricted to Microsoft's website then would they have coverage across features combinations? Also whether you care about preservation of docx file when saved in LibreOffice. I see you have filed one such defect - https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=77478. If yes, then would like to exchange notes. regards, Roopesh This e-mail, including any attached files, may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution, or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive information for the intended recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address:Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org mailto:Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings:http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems?http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more:http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive:http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ This e-mail, including any attached files, may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution, or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive information for the intended recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Extensive docx conversion tests...
Hi Jay,
Yes, 14.0 is MS Office 2010. Thanks for clarifying. I probably got confused
with the similar numbers. Having said that, other DOCX producers don't
respect this metadata any may keep/not keep this. So, personally I don't
rely much on this information.
regards,
Roopesh
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi Roopesh,
Just did some testing of my own and you had the version numbering wrong as
MS Office 2013 is 15.0, MS Office 2010 is 14.0 and MS Office 2007 is 12.0.
I checked the output of files from office.com and they had 00.0001.
Jay Philips
On 04/24/2014 08:51 AM, Roopesh Kohad wrote:
Hi Jay,
I had looked at your earlier mail and figured that you are testing word
odf documents coming into LibreOffice. I exclusively test DOCX format
coming in out of LibreOffice, so was interested to know the methodology.
There is a way to know what software created the DOCX. If you unzip the
file and go to docProps/app.xml, there is a tag Application Version
which can tell you the application used to create the DOCX. However, what I
have observed is applications don't update this religiously. Its only
Microsoft Office which puts this information. The Version correspond to a
specific release of MS Office.
10.0 = MS Office 2007, 12.0 = MS Office 2010, 14.0 = MS Office
2013.
Hope this helps.
regards,
Roopesh
Original Message Subject: Re: [Libreoffice-qa]
Extensive docx conversion tests... Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 13:12:55 +0400
From:
Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com philip...@hotmail.com To:
libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org
Hi Roopesh,
Well as i dont have .docx files of my own, i thought the best place to
get .docx files was from microsoft's website, as they wouldnt be using any
other word processor to create them. :) I may venture beyond their website
if i can find a good source of .docxs created in word. Is there any means
of knowing what was the software used to create the .docx?
Yes i testing what comes from various word processors into LibreOffice
writer and out. If you see my last message in the mailing list, i explain
my basic routine.
Jay Philips
On 04/22/2014 11:16 AM, Roopesh Kohad wrote:
Hi Jay,
The subject of thread caught my eye. I am working on testing
preservation of .docx file format after file is saved in LibreOffice. You
have written,
I am doing extensive docx and doc conversion tests on libreoffice
from files
pulled from microsoft's website...
I am just curious what kind of test files are you employing to test? If
it is restricted to Microsoft's website then would they have coverage
across features combinations?
Also whether you care about preservation of docx file when saved in
LibreOffice. I see you have filed one such defect -
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=77478. If yes, then would
like to exchange notes.
regards,
Roopesh
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Extensive docx conversion tests...
Hi Jay and other QA volunteers, Jay Philips schreef op 22/04/2014 5:51: snip Thanks for testing LibreOffice extensively :-). Just one more hint: if you found a bug, and before you report a bug, make sure the bug is still present in our latest master version. This is the version developers are currently working on (currently that is 4.3.0). If it is still reproducible in that version, you can be 99% sure it is not fixed yet. It might happen some bugs are still reproducible using 4.2.x or older versions, but are fixed in upcoming 4.3 versions :-). You can find this master builds over here: http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/ Kind regards, Joren ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Extensive docx conversion tests...
Hi Jay, Jay Philips schreef op 26/04/2014 14:56: Hi Joren, Thanks for looking into my reports. I think we have to thank you for testing and your clean reports :-). I am testing it also on the master build, as you can see i do mention things like Tested in 4.0 - 4.3. and Regression starting in 4.2. Tested on 4.3 as well., stated that 4.3 alpha was also tested. :) Yes, my bad. I saw it afterwards too. Have a nice day, Joren ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Extensive docx conversion tests...
Hi Joren, Glad to be of service. Hope you guys can keep up with all the bugs i send in. :) Open source has done alot for me, so its time for me to give back. I really want to recommend LibO to friends to get off of MS Office but unfortunately compatibility is still a major issue. It seems that regressions are constantly popping up into the code and I was wondering why isnt the development of the import libraries done separate from the UI. Jay Philips On 04/26/2014 04:57 PM, Joren DC wrote: Hi Jay, Jay Philips schreef op 26/04/2014 14:56: Hi Joren, Thanks for looking into my reports. I think we have to thank you for testing and your clean reports :-). I am testing it also on the master build, as you can see i do mention things like Tested in 4.0 - 4.3. and Regression starting in 4.2. Tested on 4.3 as well., stated that 4.3 alpha was also tested. :) Yes, my bad. I saw it afterwards too. Have a nice day, Joren ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Extensive docx conversion tests...
Hi Roopesh, My testing is mainly on DOCX as that's the original file i start with and then i convert it to a DOC using the microsoft office compatibility pack, so i can see what users of pre-office 2007 might be seeing. I then open the DOCX and DOC in libreoffice and compare its opening with word 2007, 2010, 2013, and kingsoft writer. I then save each of the files in DOCX, OOXML Text, DOC, ODF 1.1, ODF 1.2, and RTF, and compare the results with ms word and kingsoft writer. I then convert the original DOCX file in ms word and kingsoft writer to all the formats that are openable in libreoffice so i can see how well libreoffice can handle it. And within all this testing, i check libreoffice writer 4.2, 4.1, 4.0 and 3.6 to see if the bug is a regression or not. Thanks for the info about finding out what produced the file. Jay Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 10:21:45 +0530 From: roopesh.ko...@synerzip.com To: philip...@hotmail.com CC: libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Subject: Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Extensive docx conversion tests... Hi Jay, I had looked at your earlier mail and figured that you are testing word odf documents coming into LibreOffice. I exclusively test DOCX format coming in out of LibreOffice, so was interested to know the methodology. There is a way to know what software created the DOCX. If you unzip the file and go to docProps/app.xml, there is a tag Application Version which can tell you the application used to create the DOCX. However, what I have observed is applications don't update this religiously. Its only Microsoft Office which puts this information. The Version correspond to a specific release of MS Office. 10.0 = MS Office 2007, 12.0 = MS Office 2010, 14.0 = MS Office 2013. Hope this helps. regards,Roopesh Original Message Subject: Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Extensive docx conversion tests... Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 13:12:55 +0400 From: Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com To: libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Hi Roopesh, Well as i dont have .docx files of my own, i thought the best place to get .docx files was from microsoft's website, as they wouldnt be using any other word processor to create them. :) I may venture beyond their website if i can find a good source of .docxs created in word. Is there any means of knowing what was the software used to create the .docx? Yes i testing what comes from various word processors into LibreOffice writer and out. If you see my last message in the mailing list, i explain my basic routine. Jay Philips On 04/22/2014 11:16 AM, Roopesh Kohad wrote: Hi Jay, The subject of thread caught my eye. I am working on testing preservation of .docx file format after file is saved in LibreOffice. You have written, I am doing extensive docx and doc conversion tests on libreoffice from files pulled from microsoft's website... I am just curious what kind of test files are you employing to test? If it is restricted to Microsoft's website then would they have coverage across features combinations? Also whether you care about preservation of docx file when saved in LibreOffice. I see you have filed one such defect - https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=77478. If yes, then would like to exchange notes. regards, Roopesh This e-mail, including any attached files, may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution, or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive information for the intended recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Extensive docx conversion tests...
Hi Robinson, Well i had some free time so i added most of the bugs i mentioned in the email below and now that changed up my work flow, i'll be able to report them all. So here is the first batch of 13 new reports. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?emailreporter1=1list_id=415544emailtype1=substringquery_format=advancedemail1=philipz85%40hotmail.comproduct=LibreOffice Jay Philips On 04/22/2014 12:52 PM, Jay Philips wrote: On 04/22/2014 08:28 AM, Robinson Tryon wrote: On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Robinson, Thanks for cc'ing me as i wasnt part of the list but have sent in a request to be part of it. :-) If you run into any problems, just ping me, and we'll do our best to get it straightened out. I'm in :D I report most of the bugs on my twitter account https://twitter.com/jphilipz/ as i'm also testing kingsoft writer and calligra works, but after i complete the tests, i take all the tweets and put them into a text file and then .zip it along with all the test documents created during the test, and i place them at a public url for interested parties to have access to. As this is my current work flow, its difficult to make individual bug reports for each individual problem that occurs during the testing, but i will try to submit more. Individual bug reports are best as bite-sized pieces for us, but we'll do our best to work with anything that you submit. Because we have to make the most of our QA and Dev time, the easier it is for us to repro your results, and the faster we can get a Dev up to speed on the precise details, the more bugs we can identify and squash each day :-) if the format below isnt suitable, then i'll work harder to submit more bugs. If i were permitted, i would like to send into the list a more customized test result .zip file just of libreoffice bugs, which would contain the related tweets (along with its related bug reports i've sent in), created test documents, and images of the errors. With this, i'm assuming it would be easy for the devs to create the necessary bugs reports with. Generally speaking, the devs don't have time to create bug reports. Right now QA has a backlog of 1100+ Unconfirmed bug reports, so we have only limited time to create new bug reports ourselves. But if you can create a formatted data file that contains tuples of (Document/Document URL, What's wrong, Repro steps), we might be able to find the time to turn those into bug reports. Allof the bugs that i report are pretty much limited to opening the original .docx file, opening the microsoft compatibility pack converted .doc file, saving the .docx file in various formats in different word processors, open up the various formats in the word processor it was created with, and opening up the various formats in other word processors. With your previous instructions, i could easily convert my tweets into the following (i skipped the ones already sent as bug reports). Bugs for opening .docx file located at http://bit.ly/QBBwfV 1. page 2: number list has incorrect font style [tested on 3.6+] - http://img.ly/yEH3 (note: saving the file as a odf or doc shows the style correctly, so the data is there but its not showing it) Bugs for opening .doc version of the .docx converted with microsoft compatibility pack 1. page 1: text in document title is position incorrectly due to table[regression since 4.1] - http://img.ly/yEHe 2. every page: a purple line appears as header border[regression since 4.1] - http://img.ly/yEIY 3. page 8: table width is not constant [tested on 4.0+] - http://img.ly/yEH7 Save .docx into docx/odf 1.1 formats in LibO and bugs for reopening these saved files 1. odf 1.1 - all pages with lists: file losses indentation for numbered and bullet lists [tested on 4.0+] 2. odf 1.1 - page 3: many paragraphs not retaining the 'dont add the space between paragraphs of the same type'[tested on 4.0+] 3. docx - page 1: document heading table doesnt retain background transparency, instead saved as white [tested on 4.0/4.1] - http://img.ly/yFye (note: couldnt test on 4.2 as it crashes when trying to save it) Save .docx into docx/doc/rtf formats in Kingsoft Writer and bugs for reopening these saved files in LibO 1. doc - page 2: font size of numbered lists is incorrect and bullet list character font opened as Liberation Serif U+FB01 rather than Windings 3 U+F084 [tested on 3.6+] 2. docx - page 1: document title table appearing behind image as image wrap set to 'wrap through' rather than 'background' [tested on 4.0+] 3. rtf - all pages: document styles not imported in correctly resulting in large bullet list text [tested on 4.1+] (note: earlier version of LibO cant open it) 4. rtf - page 3: number list numbers appearing like '10!br0ken!!' rather than '1.' 5. rtf - every page: a purple line appears as header border Save .docx into odf formats in Calligra Words and bugs for reopening
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Extensive docx conversion tests...
Hi Jay, I had looked at your earlier mail and figured that you are testing word odf documents coming into LibreOffice. I exclusively test DOCX format coming in out of LibreOffice, so was interested to know the methodology. There is a way to know what software created the DOCX. If you unzip the file and go to docProps/app.xml, there is a tag Application Version which can tell you the application used to create the DOCX. However, what I have observed is applications don't update this religiously. Its only Microsoft Office which puts this information. The Version correspond to a specific release of MS Office. 10.0 = MS Office 2007, 12.0 = MS Office 2010, 14.0 = MS Office 2013. Hope this helps. regards, Roopesh Original Message Subject: Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Extensive docx conversion tests... Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 13:12:55 +0400 From: Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com philip...@hotmail.com To: libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Hi Roopesh, Well as i dont have .docx files of my own, i thought the best place to get .docx files was from microsoft's website, as they wouldnt be using any other word processor to create them. :) I may venture beyond their website if i can find a good source of .docxs created in word. Is there any means of knowing what was the software used to create the .docx? Yes i testing what comes from various word processors into LibreOffice writer and out. If you see my last message in the mailing list, i explain my basic routine. Jay Philips On 04/22/2014 11:16 AM, Roopesh Kohad wrote: Hi Jay, The subject of thread caught my eye. I am working on testing preservation of .docx file format after file is saved in LibreOffice. You have written, I am doing extensive docx and doc conversion tests on libreoffice from files pulled from microsoft's website... I am just curious what kind of test files are you employing to test? If it is restricted to Microsoft's website then would they have coverage across features combinations? Also whether you care about preservation of docx file when saved in LibreOffice. I see you have filed one such defect - https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=77478. If yes, then would like to exchange notes. regards, Roopesh This e-mail, including any attached files, may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution, or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive information for the intended recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ -- This e-mail, including any attached files, may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution, or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive information for the intended recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Extensive docx conversion tests...
Hi Jay, The subject of thread caught my eye. I am working on testing preservation of .docx file format after file is saved in LibreOffice. You have written, I am doing extensive docx and doc conversion tests on libreoffice from files pulled from microsoft's website... I am just curious what kind of test files are you employing to test? If it is restricted to Microsoft's website then would they have coverage across features combinations? Also whether you care about preservation of docx file when saved in LibreOffice. I see you have filed one such defect - https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=77478. If yes, then would like to exchange notes. regards, Roopesh -- This e-mail, including any attached files, may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution, or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive information for the intended recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Extensive docx conversion tests...
Hi Roopesh, Well as i dont have .docx files of my own, i thought the best place to get .docx files was from microsoft's website, as they wouldnt be using any other word processor to create them. :) I may venture beyond their website if i can find a good source of .docxs created in word. Is there any means of knowing what was the software used to create the .docx? Yes i testing what comes from various word processors into LibreOffice writer and out. If you see my last message in the mailing list, i explain my basic routine. Jay Philips On 04/22/2014 11:16 AM, Roopesh Kohad wrote: Hi Jay, The subject of thread caught my eye. I am working on testing preservation of .docx file format after file is saved in LibreOffice. You have written, I am doing extensive docx and doc conversion tests on libreoffice from files pulled from microsoft's website... I am just curious what kind of test files are you employing to test? If it is restricted to Microsoft's website then would they have coverage across features combinations? Also whether you care about preservation of docx file when saved in LibreOffice. I see you have filed one such defect - https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=77478. If yes, then would like to exchange notes. regards, Roopesh This e-mail, including any attached files, may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution, or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive information for the intended recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Extensive docx conversion tests...
Hi Robinson, Thanks for cc'ing me as i wasnt part of the list but have sent in a request to be part of it. Jay Philips On 04/21/2014 03:07 AM, Robinson Tryon wrote: Aaand I should probably cc Jay here, as I'm not sure he's on the list :-) --R On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Robinson Tryon bishop.robin...@gmail.com wrote: [was: [documentliberation-discuss] two docx conversion test results on LibreOffice] Dear QA Team, Please say hi to Jay Philips who is currently doing extensive...well, let's just read what he wrote: On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 6:22 AM, Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com wrote: I am doing extensive docx and doc conversion tests on libreoffice from files pulled from microsoft's website... [...testing with LibreOffice, MSO compatibility pack, etc...] I also send in bug reports for a number of the bugs i find. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?emailreporter1=1list_id=415544emailtype1=substringquery_format=advancedemail1=philipz85%40hotmail.comproduct=LibreOffice Jay -- Thanks for the legwork here! As of right now all of your UNCONFIRMED bug reports have had their status updated to NEW, ASSIGNED, or FIXED. Got any more compat bugs to report? :-) Cheers, --R -- Robinson Tryon LibreOffice Community Outreach Herald Senior QA Troublemaker The Document Foundation qu...@libreoffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Extensive docx conversion tests...
Hi Robinson, Thanks for cc'ing me as i wasnt part of the list but have sent in a request to be part of it. Jay -- Thanks for the legwork here! As of right now all of your UNCONFIRMED bug reports have had their status updated to NEW, ASSIGNED, or FIXED. Got any more compat bugs to report? :-) Your welcome and thank you for looking into the bugs i have already submitted. If you want a compat bug which i just confirmed while writing this message but still havent reported, here is one. in the last 2 test documents i have been working on, if you open the .docx in calligra words and then save it as a odf, and then open that odt in libO, the tables will be crushed flat, allowing 1 character per line. I initially thought this was isolated, but it happen in both documents i opened which had tables in it though calligra words was able to reopen it fine. i then tested opening the file in word 2010 and the tables weren't perfect but still okay, but i'm assuming it has to be related to word 2010's odf compatibility. I am currently finishing off the 3rd test document i've been working on, but i have only submitted the major bugs that i've found in these tests. I report most of the bugs on my twitter account https://twitter.com/jphilipz/ as i'm also testing kingsoft writer and calligra works, but after i complete the tests, i take all the tweets and put them into a text file and then .zip it along with all the test documents created during the test, and i place them at a public url for interested parties to have access to. As this is my current work flow, its difficult to make individual bug reports for each individual problem that occurs during the testing, but i will try to submit more. If i were permitted, i would like to send into the list a more customized test result .zip file just of libreoffice bugs, which would contain the related tweets (along with its related bug reports i've sent in), created test documents, and images of the errors. With this, i'm assuming it would be easy for the devs to create the necessary bugs reports with. So far in this 3rd test i've been using http://bit.ly/QBBwfV , and here are the tweets related to libreoffice and i've added '[reported]' to the end of the ones i've reported in bugzilla. test3: @libreoffice opened docx close to perfection except for a slight spacing issues and an incorrect font size - http://img.ly/yEH3 test3: @libreoffice 4.0's opened the .doc close to perfection except for a table width not being constant - img.ly/yEH7 test3: @libreoffice 4.1+'s had the same table issue in the .doc, as well as a problem with the heading - http://img.ly/yEHe test3: @libreoffice 4.1+'s opening of the .doc also had a problem of showing a purple line at the top of each page - http://img.ly/yEIY test3: unable to export .docx into another .docx in @libreoffice 4.2 as the UI crashes with an error dialog - http://img.ly/yFvh [reported] test3: reopening saved rtf in @libreoffice 3.6 to 4.2 returns a file format error dialog box - http://img.ly/yFvC [reported] test3: reopening saved odf 1.1 in @libreoffice causes loss of numbered and bullet list indentation, as well as paragraph spacing issues test3: reopening saved odf 1.2 and .doc in @libreoffice was exactly like the original, plus it didnt have the incorrect font size issue test3: reopened docx in @libreoffice 4.1 and it has missing background color behind document heading - http://img.ly/yFye test3: opened @Kingsoft_Office doc in @libreoffice and each page had a pink line in its header and font styles were off test3: opened @Kingsoft_Office docx in @libreoffice and document title was missing, and incorrect number list style - http://img.ly/yFxt test3: opened @Kingsoft_Office rtf in @libreoffice and the results were bad mainly due to incorrect font sizes for bullet list items test3: opened @calligrasuite odf in @libreoffice and it has 24 pages as tables are crushed flat and first page document heading is missing [first part mentioned above] I look forward working with you and the QA team. Jay Philips On 04/21/2014 03:07 AM, Robinson Tryon wrote: Aaand I should probably cc Jay here, as I'm not sure he's on the list :-) --R On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Robinson Tryon bishop.robin...@gmail.com wrote: [was: [documentliberation-discuss] two docx conversion test results on LibreOffice] Dear QA Team, Please say hi to Jay Philips who is currently doing extensive...well, let's just read what he wrote: On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 6:22 AM, Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com wrote: I am doing extensive docx and doc conversion tests on libreoffice from files pulled from microsoft's website... [...testing with LibreOffice, MSO compatibility pack, etc...] I also send in bug reports for a number of the bugs i find.
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Extensive docx conversion tests...
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Robinson, Thanks for cc'ing me as i wasnt part of the list but have sent in a request to be part of it. :-) If you run into any problems, just ping me, and we'll do our best to get it straightened out. I report most of the bugs on my twitter account https://twitter.com/jphilipz/ as i'm also testing kingsoft writer and calligra works, but after i complete the tests, i take all the tweets and put them into a text file and then .zip it along with all the test documents created during the test, and i place them at a public url for interested parties to have access to. As this is my current work flow, its difficult to make individual bug reports for each individual problem that occurs during the testing, but i will try to submit more. Individual bug reports are best as bite-sized pieces for us, but we'll do our best to work with anything that you submit. Because we have to make the most of our QA and Dev time, the easier it is for us to repro your results, and the faster we can get a Dev up to speed on the precise details, the more bugs we can identify and squash each day :-) If i were permitted, i would like to send into the list a more customized test result .zip file just of libreoffice bugs, which would contain the related tweets (along with its related bug reports i've sent in), created test documents, and images of the errors. With this, i'm assuming it would be easy for the devs to create the necessary bugs reports with. Generally speaking, the devs don't have time to create bug reports. Right now QA has a backlog of 1100+ Unconfirmed bug reports, so we have only limited time to create new bug reports ourselves. But if you can create a formatted data file that contains tuples of (Document/Document URL, What's wrong, Repro steps), we might be able to find the time to turn those into bug reports. If there's anything in particular we can do to make it easier for you to submit bug reports, let me know. Because you're doing the original testing, it's most helpful for us to have you listed as the reporter in Bugzilla so that the QA Team and the devs can ping you with any follow-up q's regarding the precise problems you're encountering, and you can provide feedback on whether a proposed fix has actually resolved the problems that you're seeing on your system. I look forward working with you and the QA team. Hooray! --R -- Robinson Tryon LibreOffice Community Outreach Herald Senior QA Rodeo Clown The Document Foundation qu...@libreoffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Extensive docx conversion tests...
Hey Jay, Great to hear that you plan on joining. The best way is either (1) google hangout - which myself or Florian R. typically try to open, feel free to add both of us on Google+ if you have an account or (2) talkyoo but I just saw that there is no UAE #, so if you use that method you can either use a phone to call hopefully not too long distance (I know this method isn't ideal) or use skype to call the #. Unfortunately skype and talkyoo don't play nice often. http://www.talkyoo.net/en/conference_call_international_numbers So I think for your situation if possible using Google Hangouts is best to either directly dial into the conference http://www.talkyoo.net/en/conference_call_international_numbers (call the US #) or by adding myself/Florian to Google+ so you get the notification. If you ping us just before the call we'll give you a direct link to the hangout. If you do dial talkyoo directly the room # is *537138* Lastly if you want to jump into the chat to say hello - it's usually pretty active. I'm currently really busy but my schedule opens up in 2 weeks so I'll be around for the coming few months quite often. http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=libreoffice-qa Warm Regards, Joel On 04/21/2014 10:05 PM, Jay Philips wrote: Hi Joel, Thanks for the welcome and i look forward to being on the next call as i got the notice to late today to be on the today's. I live in Dubai, United Arab Emirates and wondered what was the best way to get on the call. Jay Philips On 04/22/2014 08:13 AM, Joel Madero wrote: Incredible work Jay - hope to see you in the chat and hopefully on the call going forward. Really really helpful. Warm Regards, Joel On 04/21/2014 08:51 PM, Jay Philips wrote: Hi Robinson, Thanks for cc'ing me as i wasnt part of the list but have sent in a request to be part of it. Jay -- Thanks for the legwork here! As of right now all of your UNCONFIRMED bug reports have had their status updated to NEW, ASSIGNED, or FIXED. Got any more compat bugs to report? :-) Your welcome and thank you for looking into the bugs i have already submitted. If you want a compat bug which i just confirmed while writing this message but still havent reported, here is one. in the last 2 test documents i have been working on, if you open the .docx in calligra words and then save it as a odf, and then open that odt in libO, the tables will be crushed flat, allowing 1 character per line. I initially thought this was isolated, but it happen in both documents i opened which had tables in it though calligra words was able to reopen it fine. i then tested opening the file in word 2010 and the tables weren't perfect but still okay, but i'm assuming it has to be related to word 2010's odf compatibility. I am currently finishing off the 3rd test document i've been working on, but i have only submitted the major bugs that i've found in these tests. I report most of the bugs on my twitter account https://twitter.com/jphilipz/ as i'm also testing kingsoft writer and calligra works, but after i complete the tests, i take all the tweets and put them into a text file and then .zip it along with all the test documents created during the test, and i place them at a public url for interested parties to have access to. As this is my current work flow, its difficult to make individual bug reports for each individual problem that occurs during the testing, but i will try to submit more. If i were permitted, i would like to send into the list a more customized test result .zip file just of libreoffice bugs, which would contain the related tweets (along with its related bug reports i've sent in), created test documents, and images of the errors. With this, i'm assuming it would be easy for the devs to create the necessary bugs reports with. So far in this 3rd test i've been using http://bit.ly/QBBwfV , and here are the tweets related to libreoffice and i've added '[reported]' to the end of the ones i've reported in bugzilla. test3: @libreoffice opened docx close to perfection except for a slight spacing issues and an incorrect font size - http://img.ly/yEH3 test3: @libreoffice 4.0's opened the .doc close to perfection except for a table width not being constant - img.ly/yEH7 test3: @libreoffice 4.1+'s had the same table issue in the .doc, as well as a problem with the heading - http://img.ly/yEHe test3: @libreoffice 4.1+'s opening of the .doc also had a problem of showing a purple line at the top of each page - http://img.ly/yEIY test3: unable to export .docx into another .docx in @libreoffice 4.2 as the UI crashes with an error dialog - http://img.ly/yFvh [reported] test3: reopening saved rtf in @libreoffice 3.6 to 4.2 returns a file format error dialog box - http://img.ly/yFvC [reported] test3: reopening saved odf 1.1 in @libreoffice causes loss of numbered and bullet list indentation, as well as paragraph spacing issues test3: reopening saved odf
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Extensive docx conversion tests...
Aaand I should probably cc Jay here, as I'm not sure he's on the list :-) --R On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Robinson Tryon bishop.robin...@gmail.com wrote: [was: [documentliberation-discuss] two docx conversion test results on LibreOffice] Dear QA Team, Please say hi to Jay Philips who is currently doing extensive...well, let's just read what he wrote: On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 6:22 AM, Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com wrote: I am doing extensive docx and doc conversion tests on libreoffice from files pulled from microsoft's website... [...testing with LibreOffice, MSO compatibility pack, etc...] I also send in bug reports for a number of the bugs i find. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?emailreporter1=1list_id=415544emailtype1=substringquery_format=advancedemail1=philipz85%40hotmail.comproduct=LibreOffice Jay -- Thanks for the legwork here! As of right now all of your UNCONFIRMED bug reports have had their status updated to NEW, ASSIGNED, or FIXED. Got any more compat bugs to report? :-) Cheers, --R -- Robinson Tryon LibreOffice Community Outreach Herald Senior QA Troublemaker The Document Foundation qu...@libreoffice.org ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
