[Libreoffice-qa] ToDos rename 3.7 to 4.0

[Rainer Bielefeld]

Hi all,

I started  
for collection and discussion of all activities related to that decision.


Please feel free to add more action items and / or comments.

Discussion if necessary please here in this thread on 
 or on Wiki Discussion page.


When will we get the first 4.0 Master builds?


Best regards

Rainer
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] ToDos rename 3.7 to 4.0

[V Stuart Foote]

Hmm, so looking at Michael's minutes the 8 Nov ESC minutes there was this one
entry regards a 4.0 release.

AA: + bump versions sooner than later, to find hard-coded '3's (Petr) 

And in the initial wiki table you included an item:

10  Marketing issues2   We need some explication for the 
decision better
than "OOoo also release 4.0"Marketing

So just why is the project moving to a 4.0 build now?

I'd also comment, that similar for the AOOo folks, there is a lot of work to
be done to implement the IBM contributed \winaccessibility "native" code and
move Windows clients off of the Java Accessibility Bridge and into parity
with the other OSs by implementing IAccessible2.  

I've seen nothing about that effort, and that is a major milestone for the
folks on the Apache OpenOffice dev team that they've said will be a major
component of their 4.0  release.   Where is the LibreOffice Dev team and BOD
on the effort?

Assuming that we will make the effort to implement, I've added an item to
the 3.7 - 4.0 QA matrix to "verify consistent a11y support".

Stuart



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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] ToDos rename 3.7 to 4.0

[Robert Großkopf]

Hi *,

when I read "Version 4.0" I think there should happen a lot in a program
for a complete new version.

Since many years for Base was discussed, that there has to be a change
in the database of OOo- and LO-Base. But this discussion, if this should
be the newer HSQLDB or anything else, didn't progress. And when I see
the bugs in Base, particularly the regressions from 3.3 to 3.4 to 3.5 to
3.6 → I don't know if the database would be usable any more with a very
different version No. 4.

Regards

Robert
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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] ToDos rename 3.7 to 4.0

[Michael Stahl]

On 11/11/12 20:17, V Stuart Foote wrote:
> I'd also comment, that similar for the AOOo folks, there is a lot of work to
> be done to implement the IBM contributed \winaccessibility "native" code and
> move Windows clients off of the Java Accessibility Bridge and into parity
> with the other OSs by implementing IAccessible2.  
> 
> I've seen nothing about that effort, and that is a major milestone for the
> folks on the Apache OpenOffice dev team that they've said will be a major
> component of their 4.0  release.   Where is the LibreOffice Dev team and BOD
> on the effort?

regarding IAccessible2 the current status is that we are still waiting
for that to be _actually_ contributed to AOO.  i am following the AOO
commit mailing list and have seen no activity related to that.

it is good that you have heard that IBM will finally contribute this for
AOO 4.0; you are more up to date with IBM's plans than me :)

regards,
 michael

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] ToDos rename 3.7 to 4.0

[Michael Stahl]

On 11/11/12 20:59, Robert Großkopf wrote:
> Hi *,
> 
> when I read "Version 4.0" I think there should happen a lot in a program
> for a complete new version.
> 
> Since many years for Base was discussed, that there has to be a change
> in the database of OOo- and LO-Base. But this discussion, if this should
> be the newer HSQLDB or anything else, didn't progress.

it did progress a fair bit:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51781

after eliminating the databases that don't meet our requirements,
Firebird remains :)

but unfortunately it doesn't seem anybody is actually working on that...

> And when I see
> the bugs in Base, particularly the regressions from 3.3 to 3.4 to 3.5 to
> 3.6 → I don't know if the database would be usable any more with a very
> different version No. 4.

version 4 will have much less breaking changes than initially planned,
so it shouldn't break more than previous releases :)

testing of master builds is always appreciated of course (speaking of
which, somebody just did that last week and reported that the HSQLDB
driver performance had regressed on Linux because a bug fix was
accidentally "disabled", this is fixed again now...)


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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] ToDos rename 3.7 to 4.0

[V Stuart Foote]

Michael,

I have assumed that since the ASF Board has graduated the OpenOffice project
from incubator to an Apache "top level" project, that all the contributed
code base had been accepted and now falls under ALv2 provision.  When I've
looked at the IBM and Oracle contributed source code the individual files do
not yet bear ALv2 release, but were all covered by a blanket ALv2 release
further up the incubator code base.

So, I don't know for sure, but it sure looks like the release has been made.  
How could one find out?  Should that be an ODF BOD action?

Stuart



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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] ToDos rename 3.7 to 4.0

[V Stuart Foote]

So I was edited out of the 3.7 - 4.0 todo rename matrix. Know it happens, 
but thanks Niko only  a little harsh...
Here is the item, judge for yourself if it should have come out:

−
| 12 
−
| verify consistent ''a11y'' support 
−
| 1 
−
| QA actions upon implementation of ATK/AT-SPI and IAccessible2 APIs for ALL
OS, with adoption of IBM Symphony contribution to Apache \winaccessibility
native bridge under ALv2, and adjustments to UNO Accessibility roles to fill
all needed a11y roles for various Assistive Technology will all need to be
validated as functioning correctly. 
−
|  
−
| 
 −
| 2 
−
| See meta tracking bugs:
[https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55571 fdo#55571] OS X,
[https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36549 fdo#36549] GNOME-ATK and
several open enhancement requests for Windows 




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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] minutes of ESC call ...

[David Tardon]

Hi,

On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 09:05:02PM +0100, Michael Stahl wrote:
> On 10/11/12 17:46, Michael Meeks wrote:
> > Hi Alex,
> > 
> > On Sat, 2012-11-10 at 10:51 +0100, Alex Thurgood wrote:
> >> I see your points and concerns. Couldn't we have, as a potential
> >> alternative, a hack (easy or not, I wouldn't know) to replace the
> >> current implementations with something more manageable (if indeed that
> >> is possible, and however that might be defined) ?
> > 
> > I'd love to see those pieces split out to be extensions that you can
> > download & use if you want to (personally). That's presumably quite some
> > chunk of work though.
> 
> that would be possible, but there are some open questions as to how to
> best accomplish it:  the problem is that non-URE jars are used, which is
> not allowed for extensions.  but that seems fixable: the used jars seem
> to be the external "bsh" / "rhino" and internal "ScriptingFramework",
> the latter containing common code for BeanShell/JavaScript/Java script
> providers.
> 
> the ScriptProviderForPython is already an extension so there is some
> prior art on how to do it.  also, until commit
> a72a7dc500ffd57662e8b9be61e4676266861c33 the java ones were extensions too.
> 
> the following options come to mind:
> 
> 1) add ScriptFramework.jar to the URE
>this would require maintaining binary compatibility; i have no idea
>if that is appropriate here

I think ScriptFramework is pretty stable. The only change I remember
during the whole LibreOffice lifetime is update to java 1.5: use of
generics etc.

> 
> 2) have 3 extensions and duplicate the ScriptFramework jar in each of
>them; would that actually work if you install more than one of them?
> 
> 3) have 1 extension that contains ScriptFramework plus all 3 script
>providers

4) create UNO API for ScriptFramework which can be used by the providers
   (no idea how much work this would mean. I just wanted to add it here
   for the sake of completeness.)

D.
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