[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Fwd: [PATCH] Hide the rulers in Writer by default for a cleaner look]

[Michael Meeks]

Hi guys,

Thoughts on this ? I guess there are issues around seeing / creating
tabs etc.

ATB,

Michael.

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Subject: [PATCH] Hide the rulers in Writer by default for a cleaner look
I have submitted a patch for review:

https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/956
...
Hide the rulers in Writer by default for a cleaner look

This is consistent with Impress. Might need to be discussed with ux-advise

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Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Fwd: [PATCH] Hide the rulers in Writer by default for a cleaner look]

[Jean-Francois Nifenecker]

Le 01/11/2012 11:32, Michael Meeks a écrit :

Hi guys,

Thoughts on this ? I guess there are issues around seeing / creating
tabs etc.

ATB,

Michael.

 Forwarded Message 
Subject: [PATCH] Hide the rulers in Writer by default for a cleaner look
I have submitted a patch for review:

 https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/956
...
Hide the rulers in Writer by default for a cleaner look

This is consistent with Impress. Might need to be discussed with ux-advise



Certainly *not*

Rulers -- that I don't use to set tab stops or something -- help having 
a global view of the document.


Hiding rulers, hiding the document margins, hiding the non-printable 
chars are all children of the same kind: hide "things" to user, things 
that *are* indeed useful for an intelligent use of the tools.


Opposite to what software creators say to ignorants: computing is *not* 
easy. Computing is *not* intuitive at all. Computing has to be learnt 
and taught. In this regard, text automation *must* be learnt. I strongly 
beg the powers-that-be in LibO to understand that hiding things will 
*not* help users, it will make them more difficult to use the software.


We, as a free-software, have a responsibility: make the people 
understand that, whatever tool they elect, they have to understand it 
then to learn its use.


So I repeat my answer: the rulers must certainly *not* be hidden, 
neither in Writer nor in Impress.

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Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Fwd: [PATCH] Hide the rulers in Writer by default for a cleaner look]

[Samuel Mehrbrodt]

The patch sets just a different default value, they are still there.
Everyone who needs them can still show them via View->Ruler.
Just for clarification.

Samuel


2012/11/1 Jean-Francois Nifenecker 

> Le 01/11/2012 11:32, Michael Meeks a écrit :
>
>  Hi guys,
>>
>> Thoughts on this ? I guess there are issues around seeing /
>> creating
>> tabs etc.
>>
>> ATB,
>>
>> Michael.
>>
>>  Forwarded Message 
>> Subject: [PATCH] Hide the rulers in Writer by default for a cleaner look
>> I have submitted a patch for review:
>>
>>  https://gerrit.libreoffice.**org/956
>> ...
>> Hide the rulers in Writer by default for a cleaner look
>>
>> This is consistent with Impress. Might need to be discussed with ux-advise
>>
>>
> Certainly *not*
>
> Rulers -- that I don't use to set tab stops or something -- help having a
> global view of the document.
>
> Hiding rulers, hiding the document margins, hiding the non-printable chars
> are all children of the same kind: hide "things" to user, things that *are*
> indeed useful for an intelligent use of the tools.
>
> Opposite to what software creators say to ignorants: computing is *not*
> easy. Computing is *not* intuitive at all. Computing has to be learnt and
> taught. In this regard, text automation *must* be learnt. I strongly beg
> the powers-that-be in LibO to understand that hiding things will *not* help
> users, it will make them more difficult to use the software.
>
> We, as a free-software, have a responsibility: make the people understand
> that, whatever tool they elect, they have to understand it then to learn
> its use.
>
> So I repeat my answer: the rulers must certainly *not* be hidden, neither
> in Writer nor in Impress.
> --
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Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Fwd: [PATCH] Hide the rulers in Writer by default for a cleaner look]

[Regina Henschel]

Hi all,

Michael Meeks schrieb:

Hi guys,

Thoughts on this ? I guess there are issues around seeing / creating
tabs etc.

ATB,

Michael.

 Forwarded Message 
Subject: [PATCH] Hide the rulers in Writer by default for a cleaner look
I have submitted a patch for review:

 https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/956
...
Hide the rulers in Writer by default for a cleaner look

This is consistent with Impress. Might need to be discussed with ux-advise



there is nothing in LO bugzilla but in AOO you will find 
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=99284 with a link to 
http://www.libre-software.net/plea-for-hidden-rulers-in-open-office.


For me it would only mean to add one additional setting to all my 
settings, when starting with a new version. So I have no strong opinion 
on it.


Kind regards
Regina
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Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Fwd: [PATCH] Hide the rulers in Writer by default for a cleaner look]

[Michael Meeks]

On Thu, 2012-11-01 at 14:02 +0100, Regina Henschel wrote:
> there is nothing in LO bugzilla but in AOO you will find 
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=99284 with a link to 
> http://www.libre-software.net/plea-for-hidden-rulers-in-open-office.
> 
> For me it would only mean to add one additional setting to all my 
> settings, when starting with a new version. So I have no strong opinion 
> on it.

Nice write-up. Samuel - just changing the setting by itself - without
making it really easy to re-show the rulers - with a suitable button
around the scroll-bar there might be a bit much ? :-) Any chance of
implementing a "toggle hide/show rulers" button ?

ATB,

Michael.

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Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Fwd: [PATCH] Hide the rulers in Writer by default for a cleaner look]

[mariosv]

 "toggle hide/show rulers" button could be very useful.
I think changing the default position, for rules that have no selection box,
to a vertical position, frees vertical space in the screen, especially good
with the standard rule, which is always useful there.
And have the navigator and the box of styles and formats, docked by default,
to the side. Left or right, could depend on the interface language. Helpful
for new user, to know about this tools, and how they can be positioned.

Enclosed screenshot (900 height) with my default screen in writer, similar
in calc.


 



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Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Need Developer Input about Options

[Cor Nouws]

Hi Mirek, *,

Mirek M. wrote (24-10-12 23:47)


We're in the middle of our option analysis [1] and we'd like to know
whether the following options are still needed and, if so, what their
use cases are:
- "Screen font antialiasing" (font size from which text should be
antialiased)


I guess this may be useful in case one works with some combination of 
remote desktop (eg thin client) and/or resolution.



- E-mail client (why not just use the OS default?)


There may be more choices for different use?


- All the Database settings (no database users among designers, I'm afraid)


Connections should be considered useful for connections over certain 
networks ..

Databases ... just cannot be missed.


- Locale setting (why would a person not want to use the system default
only in LibreOffice?)


In situations where you work with people from different countries / 
locales etc.



- Decimal separator key (in which cases is the locale setting not
applicable?)


Same..


- Default currency (in which cases is the locale setting not applicable?)
- Default languages "For the current document only" (why not use
"Tools>Language>For All Text"?)


I'm not sure, but maybe the difference it that setting it for the 
document, makes styles behave as chosen, and that selecting and setting 
language has to be done over and again?

On the other hand: the menu option is rather recent compared to the Option..


- Are there any options that aren't necessary for Japanese or
for Complex Text Layout? None of us use these features, so we assume
they're there for a reason and thus agreed to keep them.

[1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Analyses/Global_Options


Is it OK if I add some opinions on that page (again)?

Cheers,
Cor


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Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Need Developer Input about Options

[Regina Henschel]

Hi Mirek,

Mirek M. schrieb:

Hello,
We're in the middle of our option analysis [1] and we'd like to know
whether the following options are still needed and, if so, what their use
cases are:

[..]

- Decimal separator key (in which cases is the locale setting not
applicable?)


Long discussion: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=1820


Kind regards
Regina
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