Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [GSoC] Refreshed Android Impress Remote

[Mirek M.]

Also, could you upload some screenshots of the current work-in-progress
version?

I noticed that, in your mockups, it's not indicated that one has to swipe
right/left to get to the next/previous slide. It'd be great if a little bit
of the next/previous slide was shown at the right/left side to indicate
that.

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 1:31 AM, Mirek M.  wrote:

> Hi Artur,
>
> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 10:52 PM, Artur Dryomov 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Mirek,
>>
>> Thank you for the icon, you got my point. Probably it is not enough to
>> just monochrome the current launcher icon :-? It would be better to put the
>> icon to the two-dimensional space — I mean make it completely flat. Other
>> action bar icons are following this style as well as Google Play example.
>>
>> Should I post a message to the design list now? :-)
>>
>
> A quick take in Inkscape: http://ubuntuone.com/2I4nq5EKhoRpg3OBiToNlS
>
> Please do make a design list thread, though. :)
>
>>
>> The app is going well, all basic stuff was implemented, I hope to finish
>> it next week. Let’s hope there will be no great troubles on the way.
>>
>
> Excellent!
>
> Siqi, who is working on the iOS version, plans to add a pointer feature.
> Do you think you could duplicate that for the Android app, for the sake of
> consistency and feature parity?
>
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Artur.
>
>
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Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [GSoC] Refreshed Android Impress Remote

[Mirek M.]

Hi Artur,

On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 10:52 PM, Artur Dryomov wrote:

> Hi Mirek,
>
> Thank you for the icon, you got my point. Probably it is not enough to
> just monochrome the current launcher icon :-? It would be better to put the
> icon to the two-dimensional space — I mean make it completely flat. Other
> action bar icons are following this style as well as Google Play example.
>
> Should I post a message to the design list now? :-)
>

A quick take in Inkscape: http://ubuntuone.com/2I4nq5EKhoRpg3OBiToNlS

Please do make a design list thread, though. :)

>
> The app is going well, all basic stuff was implemented, I hope to finish
> it next week. Let’s hope there will be no great troubles on the way.
>

Excellent!

Siqi, who is working on the iOS version, plans to add a pointer feature. Do
you think you could duplicate that for the Android app, for the sake of
consistency and feature parity?

>
> Thanks!
> Artur.
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Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [GSOC] iOS remote control design

[Mirek M.]

Hi Siqi,

On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Siqi Liu  wrote:

> Hello Mirek,
>
> Thank you for creating the whiteboard page! I've filled out the page
> with screenshots based on the current implementation and some
> explications accordingly.
>

Thanks for that.

>
> Let me know if further information is needed. I've also joined the IRC
> channel and I will post on the mailing list tomorrow.
>
> Btw, I've changed it to call for proposal but it doesn't seem to
> appear in the call for proposal list. Is that normal?
>

Yes, it has to be done manually. It's done now.

>
> Siqi
>
>
> 2013/7/18 Mirek M. :
> > Hi Siqi,
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Siqi Liu  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello all,
> >>
> >> This summer I will be working on an iOS application which allows users
> to
> >> control their slide shows right from their iOS devices. A complete
> proposal
> >> and estimated timetable is available here.
> >>
> >> I've already implemented all basic functionalities on the iOS5 with two
> >> iterations of UI design but I would absolutely like to have some
> feedbacks
> >> from you ! You can find my first set of design here and a second
> iteration
> >> here. Note that the second one are screenshots from actual
> implementation
> >> while the first one is a photoshoped draft.
> >>
> >> Besides, shall I open up a whiteboard specific to this project so that
> we
> >> can have more discussion there? What should I do to start it?
> >
> >
> > Here you go:
> >
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Impress_remote_for_iOS
> > .
> > Please add the scope, which will determine what people should and
> shouldn't
> > include in their design and then you can make the status "Call for
> > Proposals", add the proposal section, and add your mockups.
> >
> > Discussion shouldn't take place there, but rather on the Design team
> mailing
> > list [1] or on our weekly IRC chat [2]. Be sure to link to the Design
> list
> > thread on the whiteboard if you start one.
> >
> > If you're not sure how the whiteboard should be structured, use
> > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Impress_remote_2as a
> > guideline.
> >>
> >>
> >> Finally, you can follow my progress on this feed:
> >> http://siqi43.wordpress.com/category/libreoffice/feed or contact me on
> IRC
> >> (nickname: siqi)
> >>
> >> Looking forward to your feedbacks and suggestions !
> >
> >
> > [1] http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Design-f1935996.html
> > [2] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Meetings
>
>
>
> --
> 
>
> Cordialement,
> Siqi LIU
>
> Étudiant Ingérieur, Université de Technologie de Compiègne
> Vice-Président de l'association robotique UTCoupe
> Responsable d'atelier de ClubChine
>
> --
>   Tel. +33 7 61 16 95 83
>   email: m...@siqi.fr
> --
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Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [GSOC] iOS remote control design

[Siqi Liu]

Hello Mirek,

Thank you for creating the whiteboard page! I've filled out the page
with screenshots based on the current implementation and some
explications accordingly.

Let me know if further information is needed. I've also joined the IRC
channel and I will post on the mailing list tomorrow.

Btw, I've changed it to call for proposal but it doesn't seem to
appear in the call for proposal list. Is that normal?

Siqi


2013/7/18 Mirek M. :
> Hi Siqi,
>
> On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Siqi Liu  wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> This summer I will be working on an iOS application which allows users to
>> control their slide shows right from their iOS devices. A complete proposal
>> and estimated timetable is available here.
>>
>> I've already implemented all basic functionalities on the iOS5 with two
>> iterations of UI design but I would absolutely like to have some feedbacks
>> from you ! You can find my first set of design here and a second iteration
>> here. Note that the second one are screenshots from actual implementation
>> while the first one is a photoshoped draft.
>>
>> Besides, shall I open up a whiteboard specific to this project so that we
>> can have more discussion there? What should I do to start it?
>
>
> Here you go:
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Impress_remote_for_iOS
> .
> Please add the scope, which will determine what people should and shouldn't
> include in their design and then you can make the status "Call for
> Proposals", add the proposal section, and add your mockups.
>
> Discussion shouldn't take place there, but rather on the Design team mailing
> list [1] or on our weekly IRC chat [2]. Be sure to link to the Design list
> thread on the whiteboard if you start one.
>
> If you're not sure how the whiteboard should be structured, use
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Impress_remote_2 as a
> guideline.
>>
>>
>> Finally, you can follow my progress on this feed:
>> http://siqi43.wordpress.com/category/libreoffice/feed or contact me on IRC
>> (nickname: siqi)
>>
>> Looking forward to your feedbacks and suggestions !
>
>
> [1] http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Design-f1935996.html
> [2] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Meetings



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Cordialement,
Siqi LIU

Étudiant Ingérieur, Université de Technologie de Compiègne
Vice-Président de l'association robotique UTCoupe
Responsable d'atelier de ClubChine

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Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [GSoC] Refreshed Android Impress Remote

[Artur Dryomov]

Hi Mirek,

Thank you for the icon, you got my point. Probably it is not enough to just 
monochrome the current launcher icon :-? It would be better to put the icon to 
the two-dimensional space — I mean make it completely flat. Other action bar 
icons are following this style as well as Google Play example.

Should I post a message to the design list now? :-)

The app is going well, all basic stuff was implemented, I hope to finish it 
next week. Let’s hope there will be no great troubles on the way.

Thanks!
Artur.
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Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] [GSOC] iOS remote control design

[Mirek M.]

Hi Siqi,

On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Siqi Liu  wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> This summer I will be working on an iOS application which allows users to
> control their slide shows right from their iOS devices. A complete proposal
> and estimated timetable is available 
> here
> .
>
> I've already implemented all basic functionalities on the iOS5 with two
> iterations of UI design but I would absolutely like to have some feedbacks
> from you ! You can find my first set of design 
> hereand
>  a second iteration
> here.
> Note that the second one are screenshots from actual implementation while
> the first one is a photoshoped draft.
>
> Besides, shall I open up a whiteboard specific to this project so that we
> can have more discussion there? What should I do to start it?
>

Here you go:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Impress_remote_for_iOS.
Please add the scope, which will determine what people should and shouldn't
include in their design and then you can make the status "Call for
Proposals", add the proposal section, and add your mockups.

Discussion shouldn't take place there, but rather on the Design team
mailing list [1] or on our weekly IRC chat [2]. Be sure to link to the
Design list thread on the whiteboard if you start one.

If you're not sure how the whiteboard should be structured, use
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Impress_remote_2 as
a guideline.

>
> Finally, you can follow my progress on this feed:
> http://siqi43.wordpress.com/category/libreoffice/feed
>  or
> contact me on IRC (nickname: siqi)
>
> Looking forward to your feedbacks and suggestions !
>

[1] http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Design-f1935996.html
[2] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Meetings
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Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Merging Calc's label range functionality with named range.

[Kohei Yoshida]

On 07/18/2013 08:09 AM, Eike Rathke wrote:

Hi Kohei,

On Wednesday, 2013-07-17 20:29:06 -0400, Kohei Yoshida wrote:


I'd like to merge Calc's label range functionality (which you can
find in the menu at Insert - Names - Labels) with named range
functionality. The named range functionality is found at Insert -
Names - Define/Manage/Insert. Also, the Create menu item in the same
menu sub-tree is also a part of the named range functionality.Here,
what I basically mean by "merging" is to remove this functionality
and provide some rudimentary mapping to the named range when
importing legacy documents that use this functionality.

As I see it the Label functionality currently can't be replaced by named
expressions (ranges):

* The actual label name displayed is taken from a cell's content,
   formula expressions using a label automatically change their display
   label names whenever that cell content is changed.
   * This is not possible with named ranges.
Sure. But is this *that* important to users?  To me the whole label 
range implementation is such a duplicate functionality for very little 
marginal difference, and I'm not really sure if that difference even 
matters.




* One label names exactly one row or one column, expressions or
   multi-column/row ranges are not possible.
   * The named expressions dialog could restrict that though.


I don't see how that restriction could be useful.  You can define one 
column / one row only named ranges (or database ranges for that 
matter).  Is there a use case where having this restriction is useful in 
real life?




* The label name can include spaces and other arbitrary characters that
   in a formula expression would have special meanings, using such a name
   in an expression is possible by enclosing the entire label name in
   single quotes. A label name can even be a string that otherwise would
   be a cell reference.
Yes.  And the fact that this can be a string is actually very scary to 
me.  This potentially makes tracking references very difficult without 
sacrificing performance.  Dropping it would enable us to optimize it 
further.



   * A named range currently has to consist of alphanumeric+underscore
 characters and can't resemble a cell reference.
   * ODFF does provide means to store usage of such non-simple names
 though with $$SingleQuoted but we need to implement that in the
 formula compiler (anyway), see
 
http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.2/cs01/OpenDocument-v1.2-cs01-part2.html#__RefHeading__1017964_715980110

Furthermore we probably could use exactly the Label functionality for
the GSoC "Enhanced Database Ranges" Table feature when it comes to
in-Table formula expressions adressing the Table's rows or columns.
Actually it would be necessary to support identical label names for
different Tables (ranges) within one sheet, again this is not possible
with named ranges.


I'd rather we extend the database range code to support these missing 
bits rather than piggybacking on top of the label range code.  I don't 
see it as a reason why we need to keep label range.


Kohei



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Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Merging Calc's label range functionality with named range.

[Eike Rathke]

Hi Kohei,

On Wednesday, 2013-07-17 20:29:06 -0400, Kohei Yoshida wrote:

> I'd like to merge Calc's label range functionality (which you can
> find in the menu at Insert - Names - Labels) with named range
> functionality. The named range functionality is found at Insert -
> Names - Define/Manage/Insert. Also, the Create menu item in the same
> menu sub-tree is also a part of the named range functionality.Here,
> what I basically mean by "merging" is to remove this functionality
> and provide some rudimentary mapping to the named range when
> importing legacy documents that use this functionality.

As I see it the Label functionality currently can't be replaced by named
expressions (ranges):

* The actual label name displayed is taken from a cell's content,
  formula expressions using a label automatically change their display
  label names whenever that cell content is changed.
  * This is not possible with named ranges.

* One label names exactly one row or one column, expressions or
  multi-column/row ranges are not possible.
  * The named expressions dialog could restrict that though.

* The label name can include spaces and other arbitrary characters that
  in a formula expression would have special meanings, using such a name
  in an expression is possible by enclosing the entire label name in
  single quotes. A label name can even be a string that otherwise would
  be a cell reference.
  * A named range currently has to consist of alphanumeric+underscore
characters and can't resemble a cell reference.
  * ODFF does provide means to store usage of such non-simple names
though with $$SingleQuoted but we need to implement that in the
formula compiler (anyway), see

http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.2/cs01/OpenDocument-v1.2-cs01-part2.html#__RefHeading__1017964_715980110

Furthermore we probably could use exactly the Label functionality for
the GSoC "Enhanced Database Ranges" Table feature when it comes to
in-Table formula expressions adressing the Table's rows or columns.
Actually it would be necessary to support identical label names for
different Tables (ranges) within one sheet, again this is not possible
with named ranges.

  Eike

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