Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] UI changes for LO-5.0 - review needed

2015-06-17 Thread Zolnai Tamás
2015-06-17 11:04 GMT+02:00 Jean-Baptiste Faure :
> Le 17/06/2015 10:10, Zolnai Tamás a écrit :
>> [...]
>> Highlighting should be placed above the area fill. It's a bug, I
>> missed to cherry-pick all needed changes from master,
>> now it works on libreoffice-5.0 branch too.
>
> Ha, ok. Works now.
>
> Another thing: highlighting is only in the paragraph style dialog, not
> in the paragraph formatting dialog nor in the property tab of the
> sidebar. Is that delibarate?

Yes, it works like that. A paragraph style is special, it can contain
both paragraph and character attributes, but the direct formatting of
paragraphs means only paragraph level attributes.

Best Regards,
Tamás
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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 91588] UI: Drawing toolbar doesn't show Select button by default

2015-06-17 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91588

Maxim Monastirsky  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

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--- Comment #6 from Maxim Monastirsky  ---
(In reply to Yousuf (Jay) Philips from comment #5)
> but with LO Draw, once you click a tool and draw, the tool is then
> deactivated and it returns to select mode.
At least the zoom mode button doesn't work that way.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 91588] UI: Drawing toolbar doesn't show Select button by default

2015-06-17 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91588

Yousuf (Jay) Philips  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|REOPENED|NEEDINFO
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Summary|UI TOOLBAR DRAW Drawing |UI: Drawing toolbar doesn't
   |toolbar doesn't show Select |show Select button by
   |button by default   |default

--- Comment #5 from Yousuf (Jay) Philips  ---
(In reply to Thomas Krumbein from comment #4)
> so: 
> - select square-tool and create one or two squares 
> - select text-tool and create one or two text entries
> - now you want move one of the squares but text-tool is still activ. you
> cannot deselect it - so with every click inside the document a new textfield
> will be created. This is not a good workflow!

Text tool is not a constantly active control. Once you draw a textbox and type
something in it, you cant automatically draw a second one without pressing the
text tool again. It is always possible to select a square once you've finished
creating a textbox. If i have misunderstood what you have meant, please submit
a screencast, so that its easier to understand.

> If the select tool is visible, it is possible to deselect the text-tool and
> select the square direct. 

If the text tool is active, pressing escape deactivates it. If a user doesnt
know about the escape key, by using any app in LO, they would know that if you
dont type anything in a textbox, the textbox disappears. So if the text tool
was active and i didnt want to use it, clicking once would show a cursor line
in a textbox and clicking a second time would return to select mode.

> All grafic programms has a visible select tool in first place (i.e. adobe
> illustrator, draw, corel draw etc) - so this should even be visible in LO
> draw by default.

Yes you are correct that other graphic apps have the select tool visible, but
LO Draw acts quite different then other graphic apps. In other apps, if you
click on a tool, that tool is always active until you click off of it, but with
LO Draw, once you click a tool and draw, the tool is then deactivated and it
returns to select mode. So if it is always on select mode unless you want to
draw something and then returns to select mode after drawing it, there isnt
much use of a select tool button.

What do other ux-advise members think of this?

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Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] UI changes for LO-5.0 - review needed

2015-06-17 Thread Jean-Baptiste Faure
Le 17/06/2015 10:10, Zolnai Tamás a écrit :
> [...]
> Highlighting should be placed above the area fill. It's a bug, I
> missed to cherry-pick all needed changes from master,
> now it works on libreoffice-5.0 branch too.

Ha, ok. Works now.

Another thing: highlighting is only in the paragraph style dialog, not
in the paragraph formatting dialog nor in the property tab of the
sidebar. Is that delibarate?

Best regards.
JBF

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Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] UI changes for LO-5.0 - review needed

2015-06-17 Thread Zolnai Tamás
2015-06-17 9:16 GMT+02:00 Jean-Baptiste Faure :
> Hi,
>
> Le 17/06/2015 00:17, Zolnai Tamás a écrit :
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> I submit two patches to gerrit related to text highlighting:
>> First one renames all instances of character "Background" to "Highlighting":
>> https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/16322/
>> Second one adds a Highlighting Tab to paragraph styles dialog, because
>> in the LO-4.4 release we lost the functionality of setting character
>> background for paragraph styles:
>> https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/16324/
>>
>
> I do not understand how Highlighting is supposed to work when in
> conjunction with area filling. I tried it but if I define an area
> filling then the color highlighting is not visible. Even if I set
> transparency. So, at the moment, it is one or the other but not both.

Highlighting should be placed above the area fill. It's a bug, I
missed to cherry-pick all needed changes from master,
now it works on libreoffice-5.0 branch too.

Thanks,
Tamás
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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 92056] underline dropdown

2015-06-17 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92056

Maxim Monastirsky  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

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--- Comment #11 from Maxim Monastirsky  ---
IMHO an Underline dropdown, if anything, should show underline related options
(similar to what we have in the sidebar right now, and what MS Word has). The
ability to easily choose a dropdown line style, without going through the
dialog, could be very useful feature.

In general I don't like the idea of a dropdown with commands that are not a
variation of the main button. Dropdown items should either belong to the same
toggle group as the main button, so that they can replace each other (like text
alignment, or shapes), or there should be no main button (which is not an
option for underline as it's much used). Other then that it's too confusing,
and also highly undiscoverable for a new user, that would never ever think of
looking for strike through under "Underline", unless he already knows it's
there.

Also, if there is no enough room for strike through on the toolbar, it could be
a hidden button by default. That's exactly the purpose of hidden buttons, to
have there much useful buttons, when there is no enough room for them by
default, so that a user could easily add them, without wasting time with the
toolbar customization dialog. Rarely used buttons, shouldn't be in the toolbar
anyway, even as hidden buttons.

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Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] UI changes for LO-5.0 - review needed

2015-06-17 Thread Jean-Baptiste Faure
Hi,

Le 17/06/2015 00:17, Zolnai Tamás a écrit :
> Hi guys,
> 
> I submit two patches to gerrit related to text highlighting:
> First one renames all instances of character "Background" to "Highlighting":
> https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/16322/
> Second one adds a Highlighting Tab to paragraph styles dialog, because
> in the LO-4.4 release we lost the functionality of setting character
> background for paragraph styles:
> https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/16324/
> 

I do not understand how Highlighting is supposed to work when in
conjunction with area filling. I tried it but if I define an area
filling then the color highlighting is not visible. Even if I set
transparency. So, at the moment, it is one or the other but not both.

That said I still not understand why background has been renamed in
area. It sound weird when translated in French (zone).

Best regards
JBF


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