[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 98730] UI: bring back the old File Save "action button" as an alternative to the new "split button"

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98730

--- Comment #16 from Ernest Bywater  ---
(In reply to tommy27 from comment #14)
> as pointed out before, I'm not against the new "split button" and I'm sure
> many users like it, but consider that a lot of other users are more
> confortable with the old one.
> 
> so, bottomline is: why can't we have both?
> 
> our UI already has some buttons about the same functionality but with little
> variants...  i.e. the "directly export to PDF" and the "export to PDF" button
> 
> so, having the old save button with the "greyed out" effect would be a nice
> addition to the UI.
> 
> I always think that is better to offer an alternative rather than replacing
> an already existing and working function
> 
> this reminds me when Windows changed the "show desktop" taskbar icon from
> the left side to the right side... why they did not let the user choose
> where to place it? (now you can workaround this in many ways but it's
> annoying)

I agree. I've nothing against the 'split button' (thanks for telling me what
it's called) but wish for, and asked for, the old icon to be available as an
option in the Customise Toolbars section so I can select it and use it instead
- the way I have with the rest of the toolbar.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 98273] Wish: adding content of a reference shouldn't be formated

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98273

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--- Comment #1 from Buovjaga  ---
UX: any ideas about the best way to implement this?

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 98730] UI: bring back the old File Save "action button" as an alternative to the new "split button"

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98730

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--- Comment #24 from Ernest Bywater  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #23)
> Close this bug report as WONTFIX since neither the fucntionality nor the
> icon is questionable. The UI lacks of a customization feature and the design
> team decided to add this as a new feature request.

Oh great. This isn't a new feature wanted, just the provision of a previous
functionality made more difficulty by the introduction of the new feature of
the 'split button.' The original functionality of the old 'File Save As' button
was left in place while the easier to use 'File Save' button was removed.

Well, if they won't return the previous one click 'File Save' button, please do
not mess if with the old 'File Save as' button, because today I found it was
safer to go through the wasting of time of to use the extra step and click of
the old 'File Save as' button to put up with the problems created by using the
'File Save' split-button which is a decrease in ease of use functionality.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 95405] Sidebar deck for find/search and replace

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=95405

--- Comment #20 from Alex Thurgood (retired)  ---
Created attachment 123694
  --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=123694=edit
Find and replaec dialog

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 96872] Make it more obvious that a font has been substituted (see comment 12)

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=96872

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 98730] UI: bring back the old File Save "action box" as an alternative to the new "drop-down button"

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98730

--- Comment #10 from Ernest Bywater  ---
(In reply to Samuel Mehrbrodt (CIB) from comment #7)
> (In reply to Ernest Bywater from comment #6)
> > I have a high resolution monitor and I use fairly small icons to be able to
> > get the most actual working space on the screen. For every other icon it's
> > not a problem. For the new 'File Save' icon on the toolbar the drop-down
> > arrow takes up one third of the width of the icon, and the icon is not quite
> > double the size of the cursor. When in the middle of working on a text
> > document I frequently dart the cursor up to click on the save, click, and
> > back down to work. However, if the cursor is even just half a pixel over the
> > drop-down list the list is activated instead of the save action. The list
> > drops and I have to go back to the icon and click on the body of the icon
> > twice to get the wanted action done. The time taken to do it is
> > significantly longer than it used to be.
> 
> Ok, understood.
> Are you on Windows? Can you post a screenshot of your LO Window please?
> At least on Linux the icons are not smaller when they have the dropdown
> (it's placed next to the icon). Maybe we need to add some spacing in Windows
> between the icon and the dropdown.

Multiple answers to posts

1.- I currently use the small icon option. The problem is an accidental click
on or near the arrow activates it and then I've got to take more actions to
close it and do what I want. With the old icon if I missed the icon itself
nothing happened and I just moved a little and click to action the save.

I'm an independent author and I write a lot of stories, to have enough room on
the screen to have both pages of the book open side by side I use small icons.
Generally this isn't an issue with the toolbar. But it is with this icon
because it's a change in function and I can no longer do a quick up and save
action, I have to divert my full attention to watch the cursor and ensure I
don't hit the wrong part of the icon by accident.

I use a desktop with a large monitor on a very high resolution setting to view
the text well. To save space I also have a personalised 'Standard' toolbar
which is smaller than the usual one, despite having many of the 'Format'
toolbar icons on it - the ones I don't use are deactivated.

2. Screenshot attached, for some reason the cursor doesn't show on it. But the
cursor can just fit in the File Save icon - that's how close in size they are.

2.a. I'm using Windows 7 Pro. Recently had to switch from Zorin Linux due to
new hardware and can't find a release version of Linux that uses the 43 or 44
kernel.

3. I have a physical ability issue and find it a lot easier to use the mouse
with my right hand and just type with my left hand. Thus using the mouse to
click the icon is a lot easier for me than trying to get Ctrl-S with my left
hand by itself. I use a modified touch typing process, not the usual one.

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