[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 101442] Hyperlink is terribly dated vocabulary

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101442

jan iversen  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |WONTFIX

--- Comment #37 from jan iversen  ---
(In reply to Björn Michaelsen from comment #36)
> Frankly, I dont know why this bug is still open as per comment 31:
> 
> (In reply to Björn Michaelsen from comment #31)
> > (In reply to Luke from comment #30)
> > As Andras brought up the additional occurrences in comment #25, I leave to
> > him when to close this issue.
> 
> @Andras: Can you please close this whack-a-mole for good finally, or provide
> direction here (or better still: to close this trainwreck and do a
> follow-up)?

Before I have to defend more patches (I just abandoned the recent patch, with a
explanation to the new contributor), I change status on this patch.

Anybody who reopens this patch, please check with the ESC.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 101442] Hyperlink is terribly dated vocabulary

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101442

Björn Michaelsen  changed:

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   Assignee|libreoffice-b...@lists.free |tima...@gmail.com
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--- Comment #36 from Björn Michaelsen  ---
Frankly, I dont know why this bug is still open as per comment 31:

(In reply to Björn Michaelsen from comment #31)
> (In reply to Luke from comment #30)
> As Andras brought up the additional occurrences in comment #25, I leave to
> him when to close this issue.

@Andras: Can you please close this whack-a-mole for good finally, or provide
direction here (or better still: to close this trainwreck and do a follow-up)?

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 101442] Hyperlink is terribly dated vocabulary

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101442

--- Comment #35 from Luke  ---
I forgot to add that this was all based on a flawed premise that hyperlink is
dated. As a verb, possibility. As a noun, it is not. Take a look at this recent
news story:

http://www.mondaq.com/IsleofMan/x/547856/Copyright/Can+Hyperlinks+Infringe

Note how link is only used here after 5 occurrences of 'hyperlink'. And when
'link' finally used it's within a sentence that has already used'hyperlink'
once. As an abbreviation it's fine. But without either a URL or a some mention
of hyperlink for clarity, all we have done is made the software more confusing.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 101442] Hyperlink is terribly dated vocabulary

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101442

--- Comment #34 from Luke  ---
This bug has been very poorly handled. We have made no progress on Bug 103093,
and now removed all references to hyperlink.

I could see the argument of having context menu's be link for brevity and for
clarity the actual dialog box use hyperlink and internal link. Instead, all
references to hyperlink has been removed and the internal links have not been
renamed. This was a terrible UX decision. 

We have replaced a specific, well defined term with a broad colloquial term
with multiple meanings and multiple uses within our software. And now we have
just removed all clarifying references so the users has to rely on past
experience and context. All we have done is made the software more confusing.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 104889] Typing quotation marks into find toolbar fails to find smart quotes

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104889

--- Comment #4 from V Stuart Foote  ---
(In reply to hexafraction from comment #3)
> Thank you for clarifying. However, isn't this expected behavior at the
> expense of end-user usability? 

No.

> ... then
> performing a search for the latter via the find bar, although not equivalent
> in the Unicode representation of the document, would be expected to yield
> those results--

But that is the point, the Find Bar "as implemented" does not apply the auto
correction to the entered search string--no search capability does (nor should
we expect it to). Rather what is typed is what is searched for, and the
original opening/closing single or double quote have already been replaced in
the text and so will not be found. Requiring regular expression based search
only available in the _advanced_ "Find & Replace" dialog tool.

> In my personal opinion smart-quotes should be transparent to
> the person ultimately composing the document and using the software (or the
> quotes could get auto-corrected when typing into the find bar).
> 

By that logic why even have the _simple_ "Find Bar"--eliminate it for
_advanced_ function of the Find & Replace dialog--and force folks to learn the
more capable tool?  

No, folks want a simple search capability--what's typed is what's found.

And those that need to do more complex things demand something else. Finding
auto-corrected text is not a _simple_ search, so requires the later. Different
requirements so different tools.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 104889] Typing quotation marks into find toolbar fails to find smart quotes

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104889

--- Comment #3 from hexafract...@gmail.com ---
Thank you for clarifying. However, isn't this expected behavior at the expense
of end-user usability? If a document contains, for example, multiple instances
of "Susan" and a few of "Susan's" that were typed by striking the apostrophe
key and allowing automatic smart quotes to be created, then performing a search
for the latter via the find bar, although not equivalent in the Unicode
representation of the document, would be expected to yield those results--In my
personal opinion smart-quotes should be transparent to the person ultimately
composing the document and using the software (or the quotes could get
auto-corrected when typing into the find bar).


The fact that other replacements for smart quotes are possible is a good point
though; I don't have any good idea as to how to handle those replacements, and
I of course do not have the full understanding of the design decisions made
behind both the find bar and find/replace tools and the smart quotes behavior.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 104889] Typing quotation marks into find toolbar fails to find smart quotes

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104889

V Stuart Foote  changed:

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URL||http://www.unicode.org/repo
   ||rts/tr44/#General_Category_
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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 104889] Typing quotation marks into find toolbar fails to find smart quotes

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104889

V Stuart Foote  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED
 CC||libreoffice-ux-advise@lists
   ||.freedesktop.org,
   ||vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu
 Resolution|--- |WONTFIX
   Severity|minor   |enhancement

--- Comment #2 from V Stuart Foote  ---
Expected behavior of the Find Bar.

Also, our regular expression implementation (ICU 58 [1]) makes this trivial,
but requires use of the +H Find & Replace dialog rather than the +F
Find Bar.

Yes it would be possible to provide a checkbox to enable regular expression
parsing in the Find Bar. But we have discussed this in different contexts (e.g.
bug 102615) and have elected to keep the Find Bar the light weight tool. I
don't see a use case for doing this, especially as the Find & Replace widget is
kept on the Find Bar.

=-Usage notes-=
How to use the ICU regular expressions in Find & Replace for smart quotes:

Enter this query in the Find field with regular expressions enabled.

for Initial quotes:
\p{Pi}

for Final quotes:
\p{Pf}

for Other Punctuation:
\p{Po}

or
for Any Punctuation
\p{P}

Alternatively, again using the ICU regular expressions the "smart quotations"
are in the Unicode General Punctuation block. And can be searched with the
"\N{UNICODE CHARACTER NAME}" syntax, or with the "\u" or "\x{}" syntax.

But the specific auto correct replacement can be set to any Unicode point glyph
as preferred with the  Tools -> AutoCorrect -> AutoCorrect Options: Localized
Options tab. Including an ability to not replace.

Common AutoCorrect values used for Single Quote/Double Quotes
U+2018 -- ‘ (LEFT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK)
U+2019 -- ’ (RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK)
U+201a -- ‚ (SINGLE LOW-9 QUOTATION MARK)
U+201b -- ‛ (SINGLE HIGH-REVERSED-9 QUOTATION MARK
U+201c -- “ (LEFT DOUBLE QUOTATION MARK)
U+201d -- ” (RIGHT DOUBLE QUOTATION MARK)
U+201e -- „ (DOUBLE LOW-9 QUOTATION MARK)
U+201f -- ‟ (DOUBLE HIGH-REVERSED-9 QUOTATION MARK)

Obviously a codepoint and glyph from out of the General Punctuation block would
not be found with the \p{P*} syntax.

=-ref-=

[1] http://userguide.icu-project.org/strings/regexp

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 87700] UNO: New command to rotate image 180 degrees

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87700

Commit Notification  changed:

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 Whiteboard||target:5.4.0

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 87700] UNO: New command to rotate image 180 degrees

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87700

--- Comment #12 from Commit Notification 
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giacco committed a patch related to this issue.
It has been pushed to "master":

http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=5f116966de4c0d007c2a420b7adc74d72e728b89

tdf#87700 command to rotate 180 degrees

It will be available in 5.4.0.

The patch should be included in the daily builds available at
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/ in the next 24-48 hours. More
information about daily builds can be found at:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Testing_Daily_Builds

Affected users are encouraged to test the fix and report feedback.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 100000] Need for a proper QA & UX party at the next LibreOffice conference

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10

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--- Comment #7 from Xisco Faulí  ---
Is this bug going to fixed at FOSDEM as well? ;-)

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 101442] Hyperlink is terribly dated vocabulary

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101442

Commit Notification  changed:

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 Whiteboard|target:5.3.0|target:5.3.0 target:5.4.0

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 101442] Hyperlink is terribly dated vocabulary

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101442

--- Comment #33 from Commit Notification 
 ---
Federico Bassini committed a patch related to this issue.
It has been pushed to "master":

http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=b6aad6de12df9534e82f5a8ef8184cac77e5c6b4

tdf#101442 - "hyperlink" to "link"

It will be available in 5.4.0.

The patch should be included in the daily builds available at
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/ in the next 24-48 hours. More
information about daily builds can be found at:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Testing_Daily_Builds

Affected users are encouraged to test the fix and report feedback.

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