[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 114996] Link to External Data shows extraneous tables when only one exists

2018-02-19 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114996

--- Comment #10 from Dan Dascalescu  ---
What use cases would be for a user select "HTML_all" when trying to import data
in a spreadsheet, if "HTML_all encompasses the entire text content, including
content that is not in tables"?

Sounds to me that the best you'd hope to get from HTML_all would be an
unstructured text dump.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 115867] Windows 10 icon theme follow MSO guidelines

2018-02-19 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115867

--- Comment #2 from andreas_k  ---
As all icon themes everything will be available as svg file too. My main goal
is to have different color schemes for the Colibre icon theme (like Colibres
have 1.000 colors) I'm thinking of:
 - MSO color scheme
 - high contrast
 - something that look more fancy than MSO (for the younger generation)
 - 1.000 colors available as extension via the extension webpage

the MSO one and maybe a second one I'd like to have available in core.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 115867] Windows 10 icon theme follow MSO guidelines

2018-02-19 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115867

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 91130] Smaller default font name list

2018-02-19 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91130

--- Comment #22 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Ole Tange from comment #21)
> Benjamin wants to select a font. He cannot remember the name, but he knows
> what it looks like.

That's the only valid use case, IMHO. All other are handled by the filter or
auto-completion. And don't worry, I understand your idea how to filter, much
better than today. What I refuse (and other people I talked to as well) is the
multi-column output. A suggestion was to show fonts in an extra sidebar deck.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 91130] Smaller default font name list

2018-02-19 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91130

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--- Comment #21 from Ole Tange  ---
Created attachment 139996
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Dynamic font selector (rev 2).

> * Simplicity
> It is a huge control spawning over the whole screen but the use case is not 
> to see all [fonts].


How about this use case:

Benjamin wants to select a different font fast. The font is not in a recent
used list, but amongst all the installed fonts. Benjamin is not interested in
spending a lot of time on configuring his font setup.

Here being able to see the wanted font quickly is important. That the control
is huge less important: Benjamin’s focus is on finding the correct font fast;
his focus is not on any other controls on the screen, thus it is not important
that he can see any other controls on the screen.


Or this use case (which is a situation I have been in multiple times):

Benjamin wants to use a font, but cannot remember the start of the font name.
However, he knows part of the name is ‘light’. The font is not in a recent used
list, but amongst all the installed fonts. Benjamin is not interested in
spending a lot of time on configuring his font setup.

A real example of this are the Microsoft fonts: Some of them are prefixed with
‘Microsoft’, others with ‘MS’ and yet others with ‘MS Office’. Take ‘MS Office
Symbol Light’ as example: I would perfectly understand if a user searched for
‘symbol’ to find that one.


Or this use case (which is a situation I have also been in):

Benjamin wants to select a font. He cannot remember the name, but he knows what
it looks like.

Again you really want a lot of fonts to be displayed at once.


> Sure, you can enter the font name. But wouldn't the user expect to select 
> [Montserrat] with "Mo" and cursor down?


After typing ‘Mo’ the dynamically filtered list is the following ([] denotes
substrings that are highlighted in yellow):

DejaVu Sans [Mo]no
E[mo]jiOne Color
Gara[mo]nd
Liberation [Mo]no
[Mo]dern No. 20
[Mo]ngolian Baiti
[Mo]notype Corsiva
[Mo]ntserrat
[Mo]ntserrat Black
[Mo]ntserrat ExtraBold
[Mo]ntserrat ExtraLight
[Mo]ntserrat Hairline
[Mo]ntserrat Light
[Mo]ntserrat SemiBold
[Mo]ntserrat Thin
[Mo]ntserrat Ultra Light
Segoe UI E[mo]ji

thus the user will expect “DejaVu Sans Mono” to be active when pressing ‘down’.
Pressing down again with make “EmojiOne Color” active. Pressing Enter will
select it.

- o -

It is clear that I have not been able to communicate the idea so clearly that
you have understood it. I have updated the “animation” with an example where
the user enters ‘lig’, gets a dynamically filtered list, presses ‘down’,
‘down’, ‘right’, and ‘enter’ to select the font.

I have also included an example of the character dialog and a windows with very
little screen estate below the search field. The solution to both of these is
the same as a normal dropbox: Put the values above the search field.

(And I have added a scroll bar, so it is clear that the box can scroll down but
not sideways – just like the current font dropbox).

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 114996] Link to External Data shows extraneous tables when only one exists

2018-02-19 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=114996

--- Comment #9 from Eike Rathke  ---
(In reply to Dan Dascalescu from comment #8)
> Does that mean they are not intended for the user?
No, read my previous comment.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 91130] Smaller default font name list

2018-02-19 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91130

--- Comment #20 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Ole Tange from comment #19)
>> * Simplicity
> Why is it not _a_ use case to see all the fonts?

The user story would be "Benjamin wants to get an overview as he don't know
what fonts are installed on the current system" and this is more up to the font
management tool than to the word processor.

>> * Start from sidebar and withing dialogs doesnt work
> Can you provide a screenshot of an example where you cannot envision this
> will work?

Just open the character dialog. Or think of the sidebar. Put the font name
combobox somewhere at the bottom.

>> * Keyboard only usage not simple
> In total 6 keypresses - including writing 'Mont'.

Sure, you can enter the font name. But wouldn't the user expect to select with
"Mo" and cursor down?


Your solution would suit the third option in this recent post about
improvements for font listing
https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2018/02/18/improvements-font-listing/
and we discussed it respectively. But the nobody was really thrilled by your
idea.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 91130] Smaller default font name list

2018-02-19 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91130

--- Comment #19 from Ole Tange  ---
> * Simplicity
> It is a huge control spawning over the whole screen but the use case is not
> to see all. And search (type and filter the dropdown) replaces the need for
> a large overview.

Why is it not _a_ use case to see all the fonts? I would reckon many users do
not have an overview over all the fonts they have installed (I, for one, do
not, and I consider myself advanced user). I agree this is not the _primary_
use case, but I really do not see why giving this overview should be seen as
something negative.

There is a reason we also let people see more than one file name in a directory
listing: It is simpler if they can get an overview by seeing more files.

In other words: I still do not understand how it is a goal to make it harder to
see all the fonts installed. Because the extension of that argument would be
that it would be simpler to present a single font at a time.

Maybe you can enlighten me?

> * Start from sidebar and withing dialogs doesnt work
> Dropdown is not only located in the top left area but also in dialogs and
> at the sidebar. The layout wont work on all positions.

Can you provide a screenshot of an example where you cannot envision this will
work? Then I may be able to suggest a mockuped solution.

> * Scrolling unclear
> Many columns mean you either scroll all, or each column individually, or
> you scroll horizontally. Not defined in the mockup and yet quite complicate.

As the fonts are sorted, the scrollbar will be at the right hand side
controlling all columns. Just as if you had a multi-column table on a normal
page in Writer.

The font dropdown already does scrolling of at least 2 columns: Font name and
font preview of non-western fonts.

If it is still unclear how this would work, I will be happy to make a mockup
showing the scroll bar and some scrolling action.

> * Keyboard only usage not simple
> Consider a keyboard only interaction where the user type Montse and presses
> down and enter to get the font she is looking for. In your proposal either
> many arrow steps or the mouse is needed.

To select 'Montserrat' the user will type: Mont

While the user does that, the dropdown dynamically filters the list. When the
final 't' is pressed the dropdown only shows these fonts (These are the only
fonts on my system that match the substring 'mont'):

Montserrat
Montserrat Black
Montserrat ExtraBold
Montserrat ExtraLight
Montserrat Hairline
Montserrat Light
Montserrat SemiBold
Montserrat Thin
Montserrat Ultra Light

Then the user presses 'down' to highlight [Montserrat] followed by 'Enter'.

In total 6 keypresses - including writing 'Mont'.

If this is unclear, I will be happy to make a mockup "animation" showing this.

How many keypresses would you find is acceptable including writing 'Mont'?

And while we are on it: How many mouse clicks/scroll-events would you find
acceptable to choose a font?

> * Slow generation of this grid
> The grid with WYSYWIG font preview sounds like a challenge for performance.

I agree, but I see several solutions for that.

On slow machines generating preview of the full fontlist is somewhat of a task.
One solution would be to generate those previews in the advance and cache those
on disk. My testing shows that a preview PNG of a font is around 2 kb.

The generating could be done when LibreOffice starts or when the dropdown is
accessed. If a preview PNG exists for the font, use that, otherwise generate a
PNG, and save it to the disk.

To make the UI responsive you could use a default font until the preview is
generated or loaded from disk. When opening the list the first time it will
then look similar to a web page where a lot of images is loading in parallel.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 105352] Pasting multiple paragraphs without direct formatting into an empty formatted one , will result in the formatting of the last paragraph

2018-02-19 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105352

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 115805] Choices in valuable boxes "incrément"

2018-02-19 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115805

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--- Comment #1 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Left, right, top, bottom are properties of padding in the paragraph settings
dialog with a (proper) increase of 0.1cm for the numerical steppers. 

Please be more specific on what dialog exactly you think the steppers should
change differently.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 115805] Choices in valuable boxes "incrément"

2018-02-19 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115805

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 47278] RFE: Add option to PDF Export for produce monochrome pdf document

2018-02-19 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47278

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 115311] UI missing for nesting character styles

2018-02-19 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115311

--- Comment #3 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Kenneth Hanson from comment #2)
> I strongly disagree. The ability to nest character styles is extremely
> important for complex documents. It's the only sane way to represent
> semantic or formatting considerations that are orthogonal to each other.

Can we find a good example? Something like but better than: 

* in-text citation with highlighted words.

"And she said:Though shalt NEVER format directly!, and went
away." ( and  as html-like illustration of character style 'cite' and
'emphasis'). 
In the example you get NEVER in italic from cite plus bold from emphasis but I
think a direct formatting would be fine here just for simplicity of the UI. 

When you present Change and Apply (or Add) I doubt that users understand that.
Visualization could be done via tree where the second style is a children of
the first (still not easy to understand).

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