[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 116944] Firebird-migration must happen only after user consent and advise to backup data prior to migration at 6.1
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116944 Adolfo Jayme changed: What|Removed |Added CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists | |.freedesktop.org| -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 116944] Firebird-migration must happen only after user consent and advise to backup data prior to migration at 6.1
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116944 --- Comment #36 from V Stuart Foote --- (In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #35) > @Tamás, Miklos, Lionel, * > > With internal HSQLDB support now restored through 6.1 (and likely through > later releases) why shouldn't we make the offer of odb migration to internal > Firebird 3 an opt-in action? Oops, nevermind. Just read the migrwarndlg.ui in https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/52876/ But still, give some note of possibility of and how-to revert? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 116944] Firebird-migration must happen only after user consent and advise to backup data prior to migration at 6.1
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116944 --- Comment #35 from V Stuart Foote --- @Tamás, Miklos, Lionel, * With internal HSQLDB support now restored through 6.1 (and likely through later releases) why shouldn't we make the offer of odb migration to internal Firebird 3 an opt-in action? Then could also provide a note in the GUI that reversion HSQLDB is possible and point to a good source how-to (Wiki or Help). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 116944] Firebird-migration must happen only after user consent and advise to backup data prior to migration at 6.1
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116944 --- Comment #34 from V Stuart Foote --- (In reply to Florian Reisinger from comment #33) "Users" are not going to be working with master/6.1.0 at this point! Rather, it remains in the preview of project QA effort and expert users who of necessity must test and advise the developers if the code is suitable for release. What role do you intend to play here? Leaving the migration code and Firebird stuck in experimental mode as it has been does nothing to move the effort along. Please rest assured that if we get to the end of the 6.1 dev cycle--and the code is not ready for release--hopefully not because it has not adequately been tested and engaged feedback provided--it would be grounds for blocker status and the release then does not roll until fixed. Production use belongs currently on 5.4.6, or an earlier stable EOL release. Production on current fresh 6.0.3 is probably safe--and can safely remain on 6.0 through the 6.0.7 and beyond its EOL in November 2018. Point is folks are not and will not be forced to migrate to Firebird 3 for internal data before they are comfortable that they can protect their processes and data--they just will not be on the current "Fresh" build. Consider for example that currently we do not even recommend a 6.0 update for 5.4 and earlier users. Not saying go away, but please roll up your sleeves and either build from source and test, or tune in to the nightlies as they roll from our TinderBox suite and test on that cycle as Tamás notes. Constructive feedback on explicit issues with samples to Tamás (and the other devs) is a lot more effective here than dropping an anchor and pestering the devs. Just saying... -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 116944] Firebird-migration must happen only after user consent and advise to backup data prior to migration at 6.1
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116944
--- Comment #33 from Florian Reisinger ---
@Tamas:
EDIT START
I am very happy about changes happening in the right direction. The statement
below still is true.
On the one hand we still have a few months until it will be fixed. But as
databases are a complex system, I still believe that this conversion should be
experimental.
This could be because of the shock it left as so many (nearly everything
[relationships, views]) has been broken when we got asked to test this.
EDIT END
If LibreOffice was built for developers, I would advise you to submit that on
Stackoverflow and the problem would not be that big.
Without knowing exactly what problems can be detected by the return code of
Firebird this might be even more beneficial.
But this approach ist strictly against our users. I would feel bad for
LibreOffice as I guess that loads of people will stop using LibreOffice because
of this.
In fact LibreOffice is an end user software.
If we know it is working flawlessly, it should happen with a dialog like it has
been presented. (or a similar one "in this version of LibreOffice the database
needs to be migrated... "Migrate / Close"
If we think it is the way moving forward, bit know major flaws (feature parity
to HSQLDB is not present) it must not be enabled by default. Depending on the
maturity of the conversion it might be a "Migrate / Delay" dialog, but prior to
this the conversion should not be advertised too much.
TL;DL: Many user are not capable of finding / reading ("understanding the
language") or executing ("how to unzip / with which editor should that file be
opened") therefore having an "Migrate / Later" will either trigger "migrate, I
need to get something done" or a few times clicking "later" and than giving up
and clicking "migrate". Many user won't read the dialog. For end users we
should enable it without dialog, if and only if we are very confident
everything is working. Prior to that it should be an experimental feature (the
automatic conversion, not the database itself) and in that case does not need
an dialogue as well as users must opt-in.
My major problem is: Very few things (tables without relations) are working.
But a database without foreign key constraints is no real database. And that
cannot be converted. In the current state this is not ready to ship as
an"enabled by default" feature.
I am not saying "no", I am saying "not just now"
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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 116944] Firebird-migration must happen only after user consent and advise to backup data prior to migration at 6.1
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116944 --- Comment #32 from Tamas Bunth --- Hi Florian, (In reply to Florian Reisinger from comment #30) > As no kind of relationships (foreign key relations) or views can be migrated > to Firebird users should not be prompted just yet! These are already on gerrit. https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/52892/ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/52893/ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/52879/ -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 116944] Firebird-migration must happen only after user consent and advise to backup data prior to migration at 6.1
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116944 --- Comment #31 from Tamas Bunth --- from bug title: "advise to backup data prior to migration at 6.1" You can revert the migration by opening "content.xml" in the zipped structure and replace the URL "sdbc:embedded:firebird" with "sdbc:embedded:hsqldb". This will work, because the old HSQLDB data is still in the odb structure. You may also want to remove "database/firebird.fbk" so it won't make any surprises when you try to migrate next time. Of course, the above method is not user friendly. I would like to suggest that - instead of advising the user to backup it's data - we should revert the changes automatically (with the above mentioned method) if the migration wasn't successful. By "wasn't successful" I mean that the sdbc driver throws an exception - which indicates a lot of errors, but not all of them (e.g. what if something is just missing in the new format). In these cases the user could still revert the migration manually. Because of that, the above mentioned way to revert the migration should be put into a wiki or something. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 116944] Firebird-migration must happen only after user consent and advise to backup data prior to migration at 6.1
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116944 --- Comment #30 from Florian Reisinger --- As no kind of relationships (foreign key relations) or views can be migrated to Firebird users should not be prompted just yet! With the current migration quality, this either should not be included in 6.1 (we have quite some time until there to improve). In the current state it should be AT MOST an experimental feature. Note: I am not talking about making the database experimental again, I am explicitly talking about the (semi) automatic conversion! Just showing a dialog is no solution, the user will click anything to just be able to work. This (in my opinion) is the opposite direction to what we seemed to agree on. This most certainly is not a stated approach but a big bang again. Please assure me, that I am interpreting the commit wrong... -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 116948] Impulse: Missing shortcut to move columns/ rows fast in a table in writer (like AmiPro/WordPro did)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116948 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added CC||libreoffice-ux-advise@lists ||.freedesktop.org --- Comment #2 from Heiko Tietze --- Well, first we would need a function (UNO command) to move columns left/right and rows up/down. PS: needsUXEval needs CC to ux-advice -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 116944] Firebird-migration must happen only after user consent and advise to backup data prior to migration at 6.1
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116944 --- Comment #29 from Commit Notification --- Tamas Bunth committed a patch related to this issue. It has been pushed to "master": http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=5b0ceb86c342754d8f4e83408c7ae0da0e3931d3 tdf#116944 Warn user before database migration It will be available in 6.1.0. The patch should be included in the daily builds available at http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/ in the next 24-48 hours. More information about daily builds can be found at: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Testing_Daily_Builds Affected users are encouraged to test the fix and report feedback. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 116944] Firebird-migration must happen only after user consent and advise to backup data prior to migration at 6.1
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116944 Commit Notification changed: What|Removed |Added Whiteboard||target:6.1.0 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 116944] Firebird-migration must happen only after user consent and advise to backup data prior to migration at 6.1
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116944 --- Comment #28 from Lionel Elie Mamane --- (In reply to Gerhard Weydt from comment #27) > I simply do not know how to "put Tamás in cc" Near top right of bug, to the right of "CC list", click "edit". In the "add" textbox, enter "tamas bunth", wait about a second, click on the search result. Below the "additioanl comments" textbox, click "save changes". > That's the same issue as Stuart talking of ESC > (comment #11): I simply don't know what this means, https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/ESC -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
