[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 126740] Not possible to select images + other items

2019-08-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126740

--- Comment #6 from mattreecebent...@gmail.com ---
From the user's perspective, it's a bug - therefore it's a bug.
It completely breaks user expectation, and is not replicated elsewhere in the
UI.

If you want to compete with MS Office, you can't afford to have things like
this which make no sense unless you undertstand the technical back-end of the
program. That's insane.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 126608] Writer: Can't switch to Portrait

2019-08-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126608

Commit Notification  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Whiteboard||target:6.4.0

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 126608] Writer: Can't switch to Portrait

2019-08-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126608

--- Comment #65 from Commit Notification 
 ---
Heiko Tietze committed a patch related to this issue.
It has been pushed to "master":

https://git.libreoffice.org/core/+/21a792f1756a1370476e66538e821e402df83799%5E%21

Resolves tdf#126608 - Unclear page formatting

It will be available in 6.4.0.

The patch should be included in the daily builds available at
https://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/ in the next 24-48 hours. More
information about daily builds can be found at:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Testing_Daily_Builds

Affected users are encouraged to test the fix and report feedback.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 126608] Writer: Can't switch to Portrait

2019-08-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126608

Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Resolution|--- |FIXED
 Status|ASSIGNED|RESOLVED

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 126608] Writer: Can't switch to Portrait

2019-08-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126608

--- Comment #64 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Wolfgang Jäger from comment #62)
> It's a kind of surprise to me that this monster thread -in a sense- leads
> anywhere after all.  

And ultimately also to the very basic questions :-). Open Source has the
"drawback" that everyone can add functions - and want this to be accessible
easily. So the main menu grows and becomes more and more cluttered. We tried to
reorganize based on a few common guidelines [1] but of course that's not making
LibreOffice similar easy and simple to use as GDoc, for example. A way to make
all users happy could be to put different menu layouts into extensions (might
be possible right now, see bug 120132 and bug 123768 c6).

The issue here is a bit different. Todd expects direct formatting where only
style is available. Moving the menu entry down one item [2] causes not much
trouble with the menu but also has limited benefit. We would have to introduce
a function that applies a page style on one page only (and bloat further by
this). However, this would confuse users who are familiar with page style and
expect this new single-page-pagestyle to be configurable as ordinary page
styles. Very awkward, IMHO.

As Mike wrote, you are always welcome at the meetings.

[1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/MenuBar
[2] https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/77148/

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 62926] Add option to show 'Apply Style' menu in plain text

2019-08-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62926

V Stuart Foote  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Keywords||needsUXEval
 CC||libreoffice-ux-advise@lists
   ||.freedesktop.org

--- Comment #9 from V Stuart Foote  ---
Hmm, and what other WYSIWYG rendered listboxes are there besides Font (Font
Name lb) and Style (Paragraph Style lb)?

Also, would note that the Sidebar Styles deck has its own 'Show previews' check
box that toggles WYSIWYG in the Content panels.  It just does not link back to
the listbox previews--suspect that could be tweaked.  

Ability to supress the Font preview as now, comment 6, should just be
supplemented with a similar check box toggle for Style previews. They could
then be applied independently as preferred, and of course held in profile.

I'd think doing that, and adding an additional checkbox to the Tools -> Options
-> View panel is all that is needed here.  Not to make it a all or nothing with
a single checkbox toggle on a new sub panel.

Sorry, back to UX...

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 126432] Rework Add/Edit AutoRedaction subdialogs

2019-08-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126432

--- Comment #3 from Roman Kuznetsov <79045_79...@mail.ru> ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #2)
> First page: don't get the point here; heading exceeds the content by a few
> pixels and content should be smaller? 
>
don't see on first page in the attach, it's for another bug.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 62926] Add option to show 'Apply Style' menu in plain text

2019-08-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62926

Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |heiko.tietze@documentfounda
   |.freedesktop.org|tion.org
   Keywords|needsUXEval |

--- Comment #7 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #5)
> Tools > Options > Writer > View > Display > [x] WYSIWYG in user
> interface (with an explanatory tooltip).

No further input so let's go with this general solution and remove this:

(In reply to Regina Henschel from comment #6)
> Tools > Options > LibreOffice > View. Section 'Font Lists' (bottom right),
> option 'Show preview of fonts'

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 40878] EDITING Remove leading spaces on centering

2019-08-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40878

Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Resolution|--- |WONTFIX
 Status|NEW |RESOLVED

--- Comment #5 from Heiko Tietze  ---
No further input so closing as WF. Could be a nice extension that trims text.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 126608] Writer: Can't switch to Portrait

2019-08-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126608

--- Comment #63 from Mike Kaganski  ---
(In reply to Wolfgang Jäger from comment #62)

Wolfgang, thanks for your thoughts, but you know what: you were writing all
this in the very same time when a UX/design meeting was held (see
https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2019-August/083263.html). It
would be much better if you attended these meetings, and helped make decisions
on problems discussed there (and raised issues that you are interested in there
as well).

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 126432] Rework Add/Edit AutoRedaction subdialogs

2019-08-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126432

Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |NEEDINFO

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 126649] Line style presets arrangement and additional one.

2019-08-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126649

Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 CC||freyraph...@gmail.com

--- Comment #11 from Heiko Tietze  ---
*** Bug 58218 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 58218] Put Paragraph Border Styles In Consistent Order

2019-08-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58218

Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Resolution|--- |DUPLICATE
 Status|NEW |RESOLVED

--- Comment #4 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Sorry for making this older ticket the duplicate but work is done on the other
right now.

*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 126649 ***

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 126648] Arrow Style sorting after size

2019-08-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126648

Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Keywords|needsUXEval |
 CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |heiko.tietze@documentfounda
   |.freedesktop.org|tion.org

--- Comment #17 from Heiko Tietze  ---
No objection so go for it.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 126608] Writer: Can't switch to Portrait

2019-08-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126608

--- Comment #62 from Wolfgang Jäger  ---
It's a kind of surprise to me that this monster thread -in a sense- leads
anywhere after all.  

In fact I considered to file a new bug related to this one and discussing the
causes of the problem (and of similar ones) basically, and, of course, aimed to
find appropriate suggestions how to solve (relieve) them.

The above announced change only addresses this very specific part of the case,
as far as I can see.

Without having finally prepared a bug report as mentioned above, just a
spontaneous very crude draft here:

The situation (partly as "felt" by myself):
The main menus of the UIs per docment class were changed again and again (and
much to frequently) within the recent few years. So were the icons and probably
the predefined Toolbars / Sidepanels. And there was the (imo just wasting
development resources) 'Muffin' GUI.

Why? I  would suppose there never was a thorough discussion about what should
be the final goal of all that. But there are things that shold not be subject
to cherry picking based on whatever a few developers think to be a cherry.

One of the relevant changes concerning main menus was the introduction of the
new first-level-item 'Style' used for 'Writer' and for 'Calc' - without at the
same time introducing a 'Print' item missing for decades now, and probably a
'Page' item (which exist for Draw/Impress on the other hand, and thus probably
encourages wrong expectations regarding other document classes).

Just one aspect to a bit more detail:

For Calc the mentioned 'Styles' item is a 'CellStyles' item actually,
"enriched" by (at least) two redundant submenu items, and otherwise allowing
the direct assignmebt of a few predefined cell styles in a redundant way, and
this way disesteeming a well designed style hierarchy probably created by the
user. WHY? Most of the styles listed there are of negligeable use, imo, if not
restricted to conditional formatting, and may wrongly encourage users tempted
to misuse formatting for coding real information. Last mentioned phenomenon is
real as forum posts show again and again.

For Writer even a preliminary listing of the related grievances (and probable
relief) would need a three-page essay. There are sub-items and sub-sub-itims
not actually relate to formatting at all. The sub-item 'Text' e.g. mixes up
some cases of direct formatting ('Small capitals' e.g.) with actual editing of
the content ('UPPER-CASE' e.g.) without any waring or clarification.
Generally both menu items 'Format' and 'Style' contain sub-items definitely not
belonging there or being doubtable basically. 

Concerning pages in Writer and in Calc additional problem are (at least)
- the lack of heritage
- the bad handling introduced by MS-Word (as I conclude from forum posts).

To just move the 'Page...' sub-item from 'Format' to 'Style' may not solve a
problem. Concerning the facts discussed over thousands (?) of lines here the
expectations of users ("the user") are that pages exist as actual and
persistent sub-content of the overall text, and that expectation cannot be
fulfilled without destroying the usefulness of Writer. 
Going to the extreme user Todd concerning "the page I am {he is} working on"
might be satisfied by a sub-item somewhere labelled in a clever way and
meaning: 

Insert a page brake above the currently viewed page and another one below it,
apply the page style I selected to the newly created sequence of pages which is
as yet consisting of just one page, and adapt te page numbering for these
pages, the pages above and the pages below in a way you (the software) guess I
would be satisfied with.

If I am wrong, I beg for correction.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 126752] Find & Replace should optionally also make use of AutoCorrect single or double quote substitutions for easier keyboard search entry

2019-08-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126752

V Stuart Foote  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 CC||libreoffice-ux-advise@lists
   ||.freedesktop.org
  Component|Writer  |UI
 Blocks||102847
 Ever confirmed|1   |0
Summary|writer's search cannot find |Find & Replace should
   |single or double quotes |optionally also make use of
   ||AutoCorrect single or
   ||double quote substitutions
   ||for easier keyboard search
   ||entry
 Status|REOPENED|UNCONFIRMED
   Priority|medium  |low
   Severity|normal  |enhancement
   Keywords||needsUXEval

--- Comment #5 from V Stuart Foote  ---
No, it functions as implemented => NAB.

But not unreasonable to do as an RFE to the Find & Replace dialog. Implement a
feature to optionally use the values set for AutoCorrect of single and double
quote glyph.

Would need to be configurable. Ideally in GUI, from either the AutoCorrect
dialog, or in the Find & Replace dialog, alternatively as Expert Configuration
stanza.

To UX advise...


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102847
[Bug 102847] [META] Quick Find, Search and Replace
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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 126608] Writer: Can't switch to Portrait

2019-08-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126608

Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Assignee|libreoffice-b...@lists.free |heiko.tietze@documentfounda
   |desktop.org |tion.org
 Status|REOPENED|ASSIGNED

--- Comment #61 from Heiko Tietze  ---
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/77148/

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 126649] Line style presets arrangement and additional one.

2019-08-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126649

--- Comment #10 from Regina Henschel  ---
(In reply to andreas_k from comment #7)
> Is there an big difference between boarder style and linestyle from an UX
> perspective? Can we have the same boarder line styles also for draw line
> styles?
> 
> Cause in general the boarder line styles will work also for drawing line
> styles. I would add only some more for drawing but use the same label if the
> boarder and drawing line styles are the same.

There are large differences between line style and border style.
Border styles are written to ODF file as fo:border attribute. The definition
refers to XSL and that refers to
https://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/box.html#value-def-border-style. Styles are defined
by keywords: none, hidden, dotted, dashed, solid, double, groove, ridge, inset,
outset. OOXML uses keywords (27!) too, see section 18.18.3 ST_BorderStyle
(Border Line Styles) in ISO/IEC 29500-1:2016(E). These styles are applicable to
text portions, tables and pages.
The line styles are written to ODF as  element. Graphical
objects have the styling aspects "stroke" for their lines and "fill" for their
area. Line styles format the "stroke". They are only applicable to objects,
which have a "stroke". Similar in OOXML, there it is the custDash or prstDash
element. The OOXML preset styles are labeled: solid, dot, dash, lgDash,
dashDot, lgDashDot, lgDashDotDot, sysDash, sysDot, sysDashDot and sysDashDotDot
in file format (not in UI). Their metric is illustrated in L.4.8.5.2 Line Dash
Properties in the OOXML spec.

So "border line styles" never work for "drawing line styles". Of cause you will
have styles in both systems, that look similar.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 126634] Toolbar Form Controls: Missing Table Control

2019-08-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126634

Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|ASSIGNED|RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |FIXED

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 126692] film strip of multiple objects in a frame on a single Impress slide

2019-08-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126692

Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Ever confirmed|0   |1
 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEEDINFO

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 126277] Writer Character Styles are not intuitive to read

2019-08-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126277

Xisco Faulí  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|REOPENED|NEW

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 126124] Cannot find the border of the text box easily when I want to resize or move text

2019-08-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126124

Xisco Faulí  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Keywords||needsUXEval
 CC||libreoffice-ux-advise@lists
   ||.freedesktop.org,
   ||xiscofa...@libreoffice.org

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 126074] Icon styles should not modify official application icons in start center (and other relevant places)

2019-08-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126074

Xisco Faulí  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Keywords||needsUXEval
 CC||libreoffice-ux-advise@lists
   ||.freedesktop.org,
   ||xiscofa...@libreoffice.org

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 38295] Many margin comments/notes are complicated to use

2019-08-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38295

Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 CC||notebook22...@gmail.com

--- Comment #17 from Heiko Tietze  ---
*** Bug 125976 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 125976] Enhance: Improve readability for many comments (difficult to distinguish)

2019-08-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125976

Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Resolution|--- |DUPLICATE
 Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED

--- Comment #2 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Comments are colored by authors, so blue is your vm and green the host. The
referenced place in the document is in fact not so easy to spot but take a look
at the line, it changes from dashed to continuous. Regarding the readability I
make this a duplicate of an older issue. Feel free to reopen if you disagree.

*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 38295 ***

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 126649] Line style presets arrangement and additional one.

2019-08-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126649

--- Comment #9 from andreas_k  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #8)
> Don't think so. But I'm afraid of bloating the styles since borders have
> these double lines (which is used for financial tables), for example. Right
> now we do not need to scroll border or line styles and the dropdown also
> does not expand to the bottom of the screen.

boarder style:
- have the styles that MSO has

line styles:
- have the boarder styles (I'm not sure if double lines is possible as line
style, would be usefull for some flowchart types where the connector line style
is =)
- have line styles that will be needed for flowcharts, ...
- have line styles that chart plot apps has (R, gnuplot, ...)

Now the label of boarder styles and line styles are different and I'm for sync
everything a bit. And yes as less styles as needed.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 126649] Line style presets arrangement and additional one.

2019-08-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126649

--- Comment #8 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to andreas_k from comment #7)
> Is there an big difference between boarder style and linestyle from an UX
> perspective? 

Don't think so. But I'm afraid of bloating the styles since borders have these
double lines (which is used for financial tables), for example. Right now we do
not need to scroll border or line styles and the dropdown also does not expand
to the bottom of the screen.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 126740] Not possible to select images + other items

2019-08-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126740

--- Comment #5 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Regina Henschel from comment #4)
> I think, it is nothing for UX.

At least we can confirm that's not the best usability. Let's hope for bug 34438
being fixed at some point.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 126649] Line style presets arrangement and additional one.

2019-08-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126649

--- Comment #7 from andreas_k  ---
Is there an big difference between boarder style and linestyle from an UX
perspective? Can we have the same boarder line styles also for draw line
styles?

Cause in general the boarder line styles will work also for drawing line
styles. I would add only some more for drawing but use the same label if the
boarder and drawing line styles are the same.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 126634] Toolbar Form Controls: Missing Table Control

2019-08-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126634

--- Comment #6 from Commit Notification 
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Roman Kuznetsov committed a patch related to this issue.
It has been pushed to "master":

https://git.libreoffice.org/core/+/43f9c6d7c321b104a0387c844d61d45752ba3a4a%5E%21

tdf#126634 Move uno:Grid back to Form controls toolbar

It will be available in 6.4.0.

The patch should be included in the daily builds available at
https://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/ in the next 24-48 hours. More
information about daily builds can be found at:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Testing_Daily_Builds

Affected users are encouraged to test the fix and report feedback.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 126634] Toolbar Form Controls: Missing Table Control

2019-08-08 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126634

Commit Notification  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Whiteboard||target:6.4.0

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