[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 139474] Style inspector not showing Direct Formatting in Comment box

2021-01-25 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=139474

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--- Comment #2 from Dieter  ---
... and ask Design-Team

cc: Design-Team

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 90507] Tools - AutoCorrect - Apply converts non-empty "Default Paragraph Style" paragraphs to "Text Body" PS --even when no [M] options are selected

2021-01-25 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90507

--- Comment #11 from V Stuart Foote  ---
(In reply to sdc.blanco from comment #10)
> ...
> But this potentially helpful behavior "collides" with the issue in bug
> 59034, namely that (many) [M] options only work with Default PS.
> ...

Yes I would agree, and would also note the 'Replace Custom Styles' has some
interesting behavior as well. 

Not clear if those are relative to the Standard Template, or to the Template
used to create the document--but its action when applied is to remove other PS
and revert to something present in the template.

So, makes me wonder exactly what is considered a "custom" style as related to
the AutoFormat in (editeng/acorrcfg.hxx & acorrcfg.cxx)?  

I've gotten lost several times now trying to trace it out in Opengrok.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 139522] Don't retain image position when cut/pasting exclusively the image

2021-01-25 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=139522

--- Comment #4 from S.Zosgornik  ---
Paste an image without its formatting attributes can already be archived by
either
Edit->Cut\Copy->Edit->Paste Special->Paste Special...
 or Right Click->Cut\Copy->Right Click->Paste Special->More Options

Unfortunately, there isn't any option to keep the file type yet.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 90507] Tools - AutoCorrect - Apply converts non-empty "Default Paragraph Style" paragraphs to "Text Body" PS --even when no [M] options are selected

2021-01-25 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90507

--- Comment #10 from sdc.bla...@youmail.dk ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #9)
> It is actually pretty handy "feature", but it needs documentation of its
> current state
Thanks for interesting archeology.  Have been trying to improve the
documentation, but will appreciate any help I can get.

>From one PoV, whether intended or not, it could look like AutoCorrect was
designed to make it easier (or to encourage) shifting over to Styles-based
document production.

This bug 90507 notes that Tools - AutoCorrect - Apply automatically changes all
Default PS to Text Body (requested or not).

[This has been documented since at least 2015, but now I have tried to clarify
the "note" about this].  

(Bug or not, this current behavior is consistent with promoting a styles-based
approach, and makes it "easy" to get rid of unstyled (default) paragraphs from
a document.)

Bug 95433 notes (and objects to) that using choosing "Apply Styles" in [T] also
changes Default PS to Text Body after Enter is used.  (but is that a bug?,
especially when user has chosen "Apply Styles"?)

In both cases, these "bugs" could be seen as features to help insure the
avoidance of unstyled paragraphs appearing in a document.

But this potentially helpful behavior "collides" with the issue in bug 59034,
namely that (many) [M] options only work with Default PS.

In short, at present, this (speculative) "helpful" behavior described in bug
90507 and bug 95433 undercuts the possibility to make post-facto
auto-correcting clean-up in a document (unless one is willing to remove all
non-default PS).

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 139701] UI: Underline split button in regular toolbar

2021-01-25 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=139701

--- Comment #4 from S.Zosgornik  ---
+1 the drop down arrow also helps to distinguish to the next right set of tools

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 135895] Improve documentation about numbered lists without a list style (see comment 15)

2021-01-25 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135895

--- Comment #29 from sdc.bla...@youmail.dk ---
(In reply to kitchm from comment #27)
> While there are times when a person may do it as you described, many people
> do not.
Precisely.  That is why I have asked how you have done it, so that I do not
have to keep guessing.  There multiple ways to use LO. The documentation seeks
only to document those ways, not to push users into a particular workflow.

The procedures I described in comment 26 were meant to reveal something about
the behavior of LO (and then to ask the design team for feedback about whether
it was intended). 

So let's look at your intended workflow

> Where I want an outline or list, I start with
> selecting the outline or list first, and only then do I add text.  

For example, would this correspond to what you do? 

A.  Select Numbering First, Then add Entries

1.  On Formatting bar, use dropdown menu in "Toggle Numbered List" icon to
select 1),2),3) numbering scheme.

Actual and expected result:  1) appears in document

2.  Make an entry, then press Enter
3.  Repeat for second line
4.  Repeat for third line, but press Enter twice after third line.

Result:  There is a 4) after the first Enter, and then an empty paragraph after
the second Enter. 

5.  On Formatting bar, use dropdown menu in Toggle Numbered List to select
another numbering scheme  (e.g., 1.2.3.)

Result:  The empty paragraph changes to 1. 

6.  Make three entries, without pressing return after the third.
7.  On Formatting bar (or Bullets and Numbering bar), use dropdown menu to
change numbering scheme to Roman numerals.

Actual and expected result:  Numbering scheme on second list changes, but the
first list does not change.

In other words, I have tried to follow your way of doing things (or at least I
have guessed as closely as your description permits), but have not encountered
the initial problem that you described.

Now here is another way that (sort of) follows your (general procedure) but
does produce the problem you have indicated.


B.  Select Numbering First, Then add Entries

1. Format > Lists > Numbered List
2. Make three entries.
3. Then add a few blank lines after the Numbered List.
4. Format > Lists > Numbered List

Actual result:  4.  appears in document (with a few blank lines above it, and
the initial list with three entries, 1. 2. 3.).

5.  Continuing from the 4., make some more entries in this "second" list.
6.  (then I followed steps 4 to 6 in comment 0, namely, select the "list" below
the blank lines, used dropdown box in the Bullets and Formatting toolbar to
select a different outline type, and now both lists use the same numbering
scheme, which is the problem that you reported.

(You did not mention "Restart numbering" in your initial report, but, I suspect
it is involved in someway in your workflow, which is creating the problem that
you report. 

For example,  in version B, if we apply "Restart Numbering" after step 4 and
before starting step 5, then it looks like the "second list" is separate from
the first, but when you change the numbering scheme for the "second list", then
"first" list also changes.  Is that what you did?

If you have used yet another procedure to produce the problem that you
reported, then please describe it.  Thanks.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 90507] Tools - AutoCorrect - Apply converts non-empty "Default Paragraph Style" paragraphs to "Text Body" PS --even when no [M] options are selected

2021-01-25 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90507

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 90507] Tools - AutoCorrect - Apply converts non-empty "Default Paragraph Style" paragraphs to "Text Body" PS --even when no [M] options are selected

2021-01-25 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90507

V Stuart Foote  changed:

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--- Comment #9 from V Stuart Foote  ---
The FN_AUTOFORMAT_APPLY is ancient StarOffice handling by SvxAutoCorrCfg, not
surprised that its linkage in AutoCorrect GUI for existing (the Modify 'M'
checkbox) only applies between 'Default' and 'Text Body' PS.

So, it requires user to assign selection to 'Default' PS for the AutoCorrection
to apply to existing text--and that the resulting paragraph receives the 'Text
Body' PS.  Enhancement would be to provide user choice of target PS conversion,
or perhaps to not force the conversion at all--an option on the AutoCorrect
dialog.

It is actually pretty handy "feature", but it needs documentation of its
current state, and absent refactoring probably adjustments in the UI (e.g. some
of the 'M' checkboxes should be listed as applicable only to 'Default'
paragraph style ).

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 135895] Improve documentation about numbered lists without a list style (see comment 15)

2021-01-25 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135895

--- Comment #28 from kit...@tutanota.com ---
By the way, have you noticed any other times where the simpler, common sense
approach is not used in the software?  Does the documentation force the user to
conform to the software, or does the software serve the user's needs?

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 135895] Improve documentation about numbered lists without a list style (see comment 15)

2021-01-25 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135895

--- Comment #27 from kit...@tutanota.com ---
@sdc.blanco, I think I see a flaw in your reproduction.  I do not create a
document as you did.  Where I want an outline or list, I start with selecting
the outline or list first, and only then do I add text.  That is the way we
were trained from the 1980's.  It is a reasoned and common sense approach.

While there are times when a person may do it as you described, many people do
not.

Perhaps this will show the difference in documentation and/or usage.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 139701] UI: Underline split button in regular toolbar

2021-01-25 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=139701

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--- Comment #3 from andreas_k  ---
+1 for .uno:Underline in the Toolbar

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 134724] UI - Find in Calc fails when a formula refers to a cell in another sheet's pivot table

2021-01-25 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134724

--- Comment #7 from Eike Rathke  ---
First off, the "Formulas" vs "Values" label is a terrible naming, but it's
probably due to the terrible naming that Excel introduced and its users are
used to. What it actually does and the difference is that Formulas searches the
*cell content*, be it literal strings, numbers or formula expressions; and
Values searches the unformatted *display value*, literal strings, numbers or
results of formula expressions.

Now if the default in Find&Replace was Values (display value) instead of
Formulas (content), a Replace operation would destroy any formula expression
where the result matched the Find, i.e. Find the result display value but
Replace the formula expression that calculated it => the formula is lost and
replaced by the literal replacement value. You certainly don't want that to be
the default. Specifically, even worse, you don't want to be the default that a
Find would match either the content or the result.

The Find&Replace dialog remembers the Values/Formulas setting though and
equally may trap the user in the next operation once Values was used.

The Find toolbar only searches in cell content (Formulas).

Confusingly the Formatted Display option searches displayed strings of
*literal* cell content and thus *ignores* formulas and their results (which is
logical, but..)

Personally I'd always expect a quick find (i.e. toolbar) to search content
instead of display values, but YMMV. Though I'd also expect that if I check
Formatted Display then formula results were searched as well, not the formula
as cell content. For both the toolbar and Find&Replace dialog.

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