[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 141429] Insertion dialog should allow prefixing section-number reference with section symbol

2021-04-23 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141429

Eyal Rozenberg  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

Summary|CROSS-REFERENCE DIALOG: |Insertion dialog should
   |Allow prefixing |allow prefixing
   |section-numbering reference |section-number reference
   |with section symbol |with section symbol

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 87078] Cross-reference dialogue in Sidebar

2021-04-23 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87078

Eyal Rozenberg  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Blocks|107905  |141858


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107905
[Bug 107905] [META] Cross-references bugs and enhancements
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141858
[Bug 141858] [META] Cross-references dialog issues
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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 141429] CROSS-REFERENCE DIALOG: Allow prefixing section-numbering reference with section symbol

2021-04-23 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141429

Eyal Rozenberg  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Blocks|107905  |141858


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107905
[Bug 107905] [META] Cross-references bugs and enhancements
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141858
[Bug 141858] [META] Cross-references dialog issues
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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 141429] CROSS-REFERENCE DIALOG: Allow prefixing section-numbering reference with section symbol

2021-04-23 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141429

--- Comment #10 from Eyal Rozenberg  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #9)
> Very good arguments. But I have another one, probably more striking: Since
> we are bound to the ODF definition such a prefix needs to be defined there.

Are you sure? I mean, it could just appear as a plain, non-field character in
the ODF. The ODF spec doesn't have to define a "cross reference prefix"
sub-field (although it might; where does file an issue about that?)

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 141429] CROSS-REFERENCE DIALOG: Allow prefixing section-numbering reference with section symbol

2021-04-23 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141429

--- Comment #9 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Very good arguments. But I have another one, probably more striking: Since we
are bound to the ODF definition such a prefix needs to be defined there. Adding
a character before the field might be possible, ideally per extension, but
consider also that the reference might change later. My take: good for an
extension.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 141429] CROSS-REFERENCE DIALOG: Allow prefixing section-numbering reference with section symbol

2021-04-23 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141429

--- Comment #8 from Eyal Rozenberg  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #7)
> The more elegant solution would be to have an extra character style for the
> separator before a chapter numbering. You could add the symbol to all
> chapters but make it hidden per character style. The cross-reference
> wouldn't take this CS, however, and show the symbol. Not possible, and
> pretty questionable too.

I actually don't find this to be elegant... the section symbol should really
not be part of the number; fundamentally, it is added when referencing, as
opposed to being hidden when not-referencing.

> Once you picked it up in the special characters dialog, eg. by searching for
> "section", it will be on the list of recent characters. Not too difficult to
> use.

This means that for every insertion of a cross reference you have to perform
several actions (keypresses, mouse clicks) which require a bit of concentration
and aren't just some mnemonic. This is a significant de-motivator for people
using the section symbol for all their references; if this were automated, they
are much more likely to adopt the custom if they approve of it.

But there's another kind of difficulty which I only alluded to in my opening
comment: The "discoverability" of this custom. The people who use section
symbols in LO never do it because LO made them consider doing so; they saw it
in print, and as the result of other typesetting systems or customs, and try to
adopt this use. Part of the motivation for this issue is to expose this custom
to people. Of course, not in a way which makes them take an active decision
("Do you want to add the section symbol Y/N?"), but as an option they can
choose to explore or to ignore.

> OTOH, changing the cross-reference dialog is cumbersome.

Actually, I think it's a bit unwieldy right now anyway, regardless of the
section symbol issue, but I should probably open a separate bug about that. But
of course placing this in the dialog would require a bit of thought.

It also occurred to me that another (less flexible) option is to add this as an
item in the "Insert Reference To" menu. That way it is constrained to be
available only for the appropriate types of reference. The downsides are that
you can't add/remove the section symbol from all relevant references after
having inserted them; and also this:

> I see users requesting other symbols, for example an arrow, or more than one
> character.

That's not impossible, I suppose. However, it is not so likely to 1. happen 2.
happen quickly and 3. require immediate action. After all, it's taken 10 years
of LO for this bug to be filed, and that's for the most (and only?) common
section-reference character. I get how you would not be thrilled about making a
UI change anticipating a potential additional required change further down the
line, but that shouldn't be an argument against making the change at all.

And one can always conceive of further complications, e.g. wanting a
multi-character rather than single-character prefix, wanting style for the
character prefix etc. etc.

> The option would be
> available only in case of Heading/Numbered Paragraphs using Chapter/Number.

I'm not sure what you mean by "using chapter/number".

Anyway, note that we already have some grayed-out elements in the dialog; so
perhaps this one could get grayed-out when irrelevant, if it's placed as a
checkbox.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 140564] Give user a guide about the position of the page gutter

2021-04-23 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140564

Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW
 Ever confirmed|0   |1
 CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |heiko.tietze@documentfounda
   |.freedesktop.org|tion.org
   Keywords|needsUXEval |

--- Comment #2 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Yes, it's kind of a boundary and would be shown if View > Text boundary is
checked. Could be either a dotted line or the whole gutter becomes hatched out
to align with the preview at the page style dialog, see bug 140581.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 141733] Buttons with colors unsuitable for dark themes.

2021-04-23 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141733

Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEEDINFO
 Ever confirmed|0   |1

--- Comment #3 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Mind to check with a nightly build? You didn't add version info and I get the
correct colors with the latest sources.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 141256] Change "Font" attribute to "default paragraph style" is not applied to its child "Heading", "Footnotes", "Endnotes" and "Preformatted Text"

2021-04-23 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141256

Heiko Tietze  changed:

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 CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |heiko.tietze@documentfounda
   |.freedesktop.org|tion.org,
   ||mikekagan...@hotmail.com

--- Comment #11 from Heiko Tietze  ---
T>O>W>Fonts work on new documents not templates. What you have to do is to
change Headings in T>O>W>Fonts to Comic Sans, make sure no default template is
defined (File > Templates > Manage Templates - no checkmark on any item) and
then you create a new document.

For some reason, the template fonts are taken into T>O>W>Fonts and if you
Apply/Okay this tab your Comic Sans would be overwritten.

Help is here
https://help.libreoffice.org/latest/en-US/text/shared/optionen/01040300.html?DbPAR=SHARED#bm_id3151299,
no opinion from my side if this needs improvements ("These settings define the
basic fonts for the predefined templates" sounds wrong to me).

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 141429] CROSS-REFERENCE DIALOG: Allow prefixing section-numbering reference with section symbol

2021-04-23 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141429

--- Comment #7 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #5)
> 1. The section reference is very difficult to type...

Once you picked it up in the special characters dialog, eg. by searching for
"section", it will be on the list of recent characters. Not too difficult to
use.

OTOH, changing the cross-reference dialog is cumbersome. The option would be
available only in case of Heading/Numbered Paragraphs using Chapter/Number. I
see users requesting other symbols, for example an arrow, or more than one
character.

Any other opinion?

The more elegant solution would be to have an extra character style for the
separator before a chapter numbering. You could add the symbol to all chapters
but make it hidden per character style. The cross-reference wouldn't take this
CS, however, and show the symbol. Not possible, and pretty questionable too.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 141392] Borders widget doesn't update border type icon

2021-04-23 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141392

Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Resolution|--- |DUPLICATE
 Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED

--- Comment #2 from Heiko Tietze  ---


*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 113606 ***

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 141566] Implement os/DE theme support in Basic Editor, allow for dark mode when used

2021-04-23 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141566

Heiko Tietze  changed:

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 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW
 CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |heiko.tietze@documentfounda
   |.freedesktop.org|tion.org
   Keywords|needsUXEval |difficultyInteresting,
   ||easyHack, skillCpp,
   ||skillDesign, topicUI
 Ever confirmed|0   |1

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 141566] Implement os/DE theme support in Basic Editor, allow for dark mode when used

2021-04-23 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141566

--- Comment #14 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Created attachment 171366
  --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=171366=edit
Screenshot with dark background

Topic was on the agenda for the design meeting but no further input.

Personally, I dislike dark input canvases (running dark system theme myself)
and wouldn't add more UI options. But if we follow Adolfo's suggestion to obey
the system theme, an option to revert to bright is desirable to me too.
However, I'm not convinced that Basic is special just because the entered text
has much more structure.

The background color is a simple easy hack in
basctl/source/basicide/baside2b.cxx EditorWindow::EditorWindow() ->
SetBackground(Wallpaper(GetSettings().GetStyleSettings().GetDialogColor()));
(the additional option makes it a bit more tricky.

The dark background requires brighter font colors. So in addition we need
another preset in Tools > Options > Colors like "LibreOffice Dark" (there are
many tickets on this) and now something like "LibreOffice Basic Dark" too.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 46595] Add choice for vertical align to optical center

2021-04-23 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46595

Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Resolution|--- |WONTFIX
 Status|NEW |RESOLVED

--- Comment #6 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Had this topic on the agenda for the design meeting but there was no further
input. I believe those special solutions are well suited for extensions but
shouldn't occupy coding resources.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 135974] User Notes (Howto): toolbars, screens offer possibility for user to enter his own howto-tips

2021-04-23 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135974

Heiko Tietze  changed:

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--- Comment #2 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Forwarding this to documentation. Don't think a UI change is needed.

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