[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 141839] Non-adjacent table rows with unequal column widths snap to same width when adjusted

2021-04-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141839

--- Comment #8 from QA Administrators  ---
[Automated Action] NeedInfo-To-Unconfirmed

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 141839] Non-adjacent table rows with unequal column widths snap to same width when adjusted

2021-04-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141839

QA Administrators  changed:

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 141452] Rename Tools > Chapter Numbering back to Outline Numbering

2021-04-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141452

Eyal Rozenberg  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|RESOLVED|CLOSED

--- Comment #17 from Eyal Rozenberg  ---
(In reply to Roman Kuznetsov from comment #16)
> Eyal, you can see we all disagree with you, so please let's will not start a
> status changing war here

The reason I have insistied on the status is that the closing did not follow
from actually addressing the issues raised - and it was a closure as NOTABUG.

I will not have a status-change-war over a WONTFIX - as it is your prerogative
rather than question of fact.

And just to be clear - I am appreciative of your time spent on reviewing and
commenting on bugs, even when I disagree vigorously.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 141452] Rename Tools > Chapter Numbering back to Outline Numbering

2021-04-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141452

Roman Kuznetsov <79045_79...@mail.ru> changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |WONTFIX

--- Comment #16 from Roman Kuznetsov <79045_79...@mail.ru> ---
Eyal, you can see we all disagree with you, so please let's will not start a
status changing war here

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 141452] Rename Tools > Chapter Numbering back to Outline Numbering

2021-04-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141452

--- Comment #15 from Dieter  ---
Eyal, I think Design-Team should decide finally in one of the next meetings.
Since everybody can join it's meetings, everybody should accept the decision
then. Heiko, if you disagree, please add a comment.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 141452] Rename Tools > Chapter Numbering back to Outline Numbering

2021-04-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141452

Eyal Rozenberg  changed:

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 Resolution|NOTABUG |---
 Status|RESOLVED|UNCONFIRMED

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 141452] Rename Tools > Chapter Numbering back to Outline Numbering

2021-04-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141452

Dave Barton  changed:

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 Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |NOTABUG

--- Comment #14 from Dave Barton  ---
(In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #13)
> Please do not close this bug report while the issues it raises have not been
> addressed. Also, speak for yourself.

The issues have been addressed. The "fictions" bug is closed.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 141452] Rename Tools > Chapter Numbering back to Outline Numbering

2021-04-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141452

Eyal Rozenberg  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Resolution|NOTABUG |---
 Status|RESOLVED|UNCONFIRMED

--- Comment #13 from Eyal Rozenberg  ---
Please do not close this bug report while the issues it raises have not been
addressed. Also, speak for yourself.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 141452] Rename Tools > Chapter Numbering back to Outline Numbering

2021-04-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141452

Dave Barton  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |NOTABUG

--- Comment #12 from Dave Barton  ---
We are tired of the unnecessary pedantic diatribe keeping this non-bug open.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 141452] Rename Tools > Chapter Numbering back to Outline Numbering

2021-04-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141452

--- Comment #11 from Eyal Rozenberg  ---
(In reply to Dave Barton from comment #10)
> This is bug tracking system, NOT a debating society. 

And yet, you chose to to make a Social-Media-like "Dislike" gesture ("-1 from
me").

> I find it offensive
> that our Bugzilla is offten abused by people who keep a "so called" bug open
> with pedantic arguments, in an attempt to get "their way", by a "war of
> attrition".

Attrition is part of how the name change was made despite objections and
reservations. ("I give in..." - bug 107573 comment 19).

> 
> This is a decision the project has already taken

It seems as though you're saying that the merit of a measure is unimportant if
it has officially been adopted; and a measure can never be taken by mistake.

This bug was opened after carefully reading bug 107573, to understand the
motivation for the suggestion to rename; and while you may certainly disagree
with the arguments I made, I resent your implication that they are frivolous,
or redundant.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 141452] Rename Tools > Chapter Numbering back to Outline Numbering

2021-04-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141452

--- Comment #10 from Dave Barton  ---
(In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #7)
> All those saying "-1" - Heiko, Roman, Dave, Dieter - what's the basis for
> your objection? Is there something factually incorrect in R1 through R3? Do
> you believe the current state of affairs is not confusing?

This is bug tracking system, NOT a debating society. I find it offensive that
our Bugzilla is offten abused by people who keep a "so called" bug open with
pedantic arguments, in an attempt to get "their way", by a "war of attrition".

This is a decision the project has already taken, so can we please not waste
any more time and effort on the NON-BUG. Close it as NOT A BUG, WON'T FIX and
move on to assessing REAL bugs.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 141452] Rename Tools > Chapter Numbering back to Outline Numbering

2021-04-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141452

--- Comment #9 from Eyal Rozenberg  ---
(In reply to Dieter from comment #8)
> Current situation might not be a perfect solution, but I don't see a better
> one.

It has already been established that using the name "Chapter" is not an
improvement over the previous name, except perhaps in a few locales.

The better solution is reverting the name to "Outline Numbering".

> For me Regina pointed out the main arguments against a change.

I have explained why Regina's comment is - with respect - quite invalid: Using
"Chapters" makes things unambiguous in English, but unambiguously wrong, which
is worse than the previous state of affairs.

> I read a
> couple of bug reports that came from confusion about outline numbering.

1. With which locales? If they were about French/German/Dutch, then that's a
localization issue.
2. Outline numbering has other causes for being somewhat confusing. See issue
141453.

If there are relevant bug reports, can you please put them online somewhere
(pastebin?) and link to them?

> And I don't see, that a user with - let me say - three different headings in
> a small document with 3 pages says "I don't have real chapters (parts of a
> book) in my document, so I can't use this feature to number the parts of a
> document."

You are assuming the user's attention is already on this feature. It will not
be because of the combination of it being in the Tools menu and it being about
Chapter. You are assuming three things about the user:

1. Believes that the numbering features are to be found outside of Format |
Paragraph (or even the format menu) and outside the Numbering Styles sidebar.
2. Believes they should look for a relevant feature in the Tools menu.
3. Knows that Chapter numbering will apply to sub-chapter-level elements, or in
a chapterless documents.

This is unlikely. If the name is reverted, we will have removed one of the
three required realizations/pieces of information a user must possess.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 141452] Rename Tools > Chapter Numbering back to Outline Numbering

2021-04-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141452

--- Comment #8 from Dieter  ---
Current situation might not be a perfect solution, but I don't see a better
one. For me Regina pointed out the main arguments against a change. I read a
couple of bug reports that came from confusion about outline numbering.

And I don't see, that a user with - let me say - three different headings in a
small document with 3 pages says "I don't have real chapters (parts of a book)
in my document, so I can't use this feature to number the parts of a document."

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 141453] Better integration of outline numbering with paragraph and numbering styles

2021-04-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141453

--- Comment #3 from Eyal Rozenberg  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #2)
> And why do you need another ticket? There are likely more of this kind.

Because that ticket's suggestion is not necessarily one I support, and would
certainly not resolve the entire issue, as I have laid it our in the opening
comment.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 141452] Rename Tools > Chapter Numbering back to Outline Numbering

2021-04-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141452

--- Comment #7 from Eyal Rozenberg  ---
All those saying "-1" - Heiko, Roman, Dave, Dieter - what's the basis for your
objection? Is there something factually incorrect in R1 through R3? Do you
believe the current state of affairs is not confusing?

If not, then I fail to see the justification for the rename.


Also, to clarify - the question here is not about what should be done in
localizations, where each language community calls things whatever works in
their language, but rather - the unlocalized text, in English and in the source
code, on the basis of which localizations are made.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 141884] [Enhancement Request] Export file to PDF as image

2021-04-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141884

--- Comment #3 from V Stuart Foote  ---


*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 95424 ***

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 141839] Non-adjacent table rows with unequal column widths snap to same width when adjusted

2021-04-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141839

--- Comment #7 from S.  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #6)
> I think the feature itself is desirable - how else would you join individual
> cells into a column? The question is likely the other way around and you
> want to split a column aka change the width of one single cell. Is this
> correct, S?

Hello, thanks for the reply. I was trying to reproduce a complex table from a
physical form, and I ended up ruining it because I simply went cell by cell,
merging/splitting cels and/or resizing the column width as needed, and I only
use the row directly above it as a reference. But I didn't notice that at some
point it had automatically snapped to cell width with another one that was many
rows above it, which was wrong and didn't allow the text to fit. Sorry it's
hard to explain. But I eventually saved the document and closed it and then
re-opened it, and I realized that the widths of the cells in the first rows had
been changed by the width of other cells many rows farther down, and I would
have had to delete a bunch of information typed into each of those cells in
order to merge them and split them again so that the width is independent.

So, I would say that this feature is not desirable or should at least be an
option that is disabled by default. Because it only applies to complex tables
with very precise levels of individual cell formatting, and if the user went
through so much deliberate effort to merge/split/resize cell widths (s)he
probably doesn't want them to ever be linked anymore.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 105550] FORMATTING Pasting text changes paragraph format in older LO document

2021-04-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105550

--- Comment #13 from Ulrich Gemkow  ---
IMHO this not expected behavior.

When selecting characters from a source paragraph and pasting these characters
into a target paragraph, I do not expect that the format of the source
paragraph is pasted and replaces the target paragraphs settings.

The _paragraph_ style should not at all be attached to selected characters from
a paragraph.

I would expect that pasting transfers the character style of the pasted
characters but not the paragraph styles.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 105550] FORMATTING Pasting text changes paragraph format in older LO document

2021-04-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105550

--- Comment #12 from Miklos Vajna  ---
Sounds like this is working as intended: paste doesn't overwrite styles in the
target document, so if your original content was formatted with styles and the
target has styles with the same names, then it's wanted behavior to change the
formatting during paste.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 141910] Redesign the Label UI

2021-04-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141910

--- Comment #1 from Jan-Marek Glogowski  ---
Created attachment 171413
  --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=171413=edit
Label UI reorg image

And the "Single label" should probably be a variant of  

"Single label at position: row [], column []"

or something like that.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 141910] New: Redesign the Label UI

2021-04-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141910

Bug ID: 141910
   Summary: Redesign the Label UI
   Product: LibreOffice
   Version: unspecified
  Hardware: All
OS: All
Status: UNCONFIRMED
  Keywords: needsUXEval
  Severity: enhancement
  Priority: medium
 Component: UI
  Assignee: libreoffice-b...@lists.freedesktop.org
  Reporter: heiko.tie...@documentfoundation.org
CC: dgp-m...@gmx.de, glo...@fbihome.de,
libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org
Blocks: 120679

As a follow-up to bug 140719 we should consider a redesign of the Label dialog.
Jmux kindly made a mockup that lists all properties at one tab, filled after
changing brand/type. https://www.imgpaste.net/image/K7vhfs

The simple solution to bug 140719 is adding a static label to the col/row
dropdowns, like "at" (the trick here is that the single label can be printed on
any of the predefined positions with this option).


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120679
[Bug 120679] [META] Labels and Business Cards issues
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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 105550] FORMATTING Pasting text changes paragraph format in older LO document

2021-04-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105550

Timur  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Priority|medium  |low
 CC||vmik...@collabora.com

--- Comment #11 from Timur  ---
Hi Miklos. Since you fixed  bug 101534, can you explain if this should be fixed
or not per Comment 3.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 105550] FORMATTING Pasting text changes paragraph format in older LO document

2021-04-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105550

Timur  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 CC||l...@spirale-ingenierie.com

--- Comment #10 from Timur  ---
*** Bug 136982 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 105550] FORMATTING Pasting text changes paragraph format in older LO document

2021-04-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105550

Timur  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Resolution|DUPLICATE   |---
 Status|RESOLVED|NEW

--- Comment #9 from Timur  ---
Repro 7.2+ so not a duplicate of bug 77651.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 141572] Copy + Paste into empty Endnote/Footnote or Numbering changes style to pasted text

2021-04-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141572

Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Resolution|--- |DUPLICATE
 Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED

--- Comment #6 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Bug 100018 comment 20 summarizes the design team's position.

*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 100018 ***

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 141572] Copy + Paste into empty Endnote/Footnote or Numbering changes style to pasted text

2021-04-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141572

Timur  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Keywords||needsUXEval
Version|7.1.2.2 release |Inherited From OOo
Summary|Copy + Paste into Endnote   |Copy + Paste into empty
   |changes style   |Endnote/Footnote or
   ||Numbering changes style to
   ||pasted text
 CC||libreoffice-ux-advise@lists
   ||.freedesktop.org

--- Comment #5 from Timur  ---
Repro from OO to 7.2+ with paste of non-directly formatted text from other
style to endnote and footnote and also to any empty numbering. 
Example: Endnote style becomes Default paragraph style. So, no space between
number and text is a consequence, not to be focused on. 
Workaround is to type a space and then paste. 

Is it a bug to be fixed? Yes, if possible, it would be desired not to change
style. Interesting that MSO behaves like Lo. 

I could not find duplicates. Let's call UX.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 141452] Rename Tools > Chapter Numbering back to Outline Numbering

2021-04-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141452

--- Comment #6 from Dieter  ---
-1 from me, too. If the translation to Hebrew or Arabic ca n be misunderstood,
a solution would be to change that translation, but not the the English UI.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 141429] Insertion dialog should allow prefixing section-number reference with section symbol

2021-04-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141429

--- Comment #11 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #10)
> it could just appear as a plain, non-field character

You may run into trouble if the source is deleted (gives a reference error).
But yes, this approach is what I would do with the recommended extensions.
Shouldn't be too difficult. More opinions please.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 141839] Non-adjacent table rows with unequal column widths snap to same width when adjusted

2021-04-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141839

Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Ever confirmed|0   |1
 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEEDINFO

--- Comment #6 from Heiko Tietze  ---
I think the feature itself is desirable - how else would you join individual
cells into a column? The question is likely the other way around and you want
to split a column aka change the width of one single cell. Is this correct, S?

Don't see how this works (except splitting the table and merging back after
resizing). I would expect to change only selected cells if some are marked (the
resize interaction is available at the horizontal ruler) but it doesn't work
either.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 141452] Rename Tools > Chapter Numbering back to Outline Numbering

2021-04-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141452

Dave Barton  changed:

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--- Comment #5 from Dave Barton  ---
A -1 from me.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 141905] Ctrl+tab to make a tab in Impress table

2021-04-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141905

--- Comment #1 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Usually, ctrl+tab jumps to the next page on a tab control (browser tabs, for
example). And does it really make sense to create a new _column_ with ctrl+tab?
How about rows?

Ctrl+tab is used in Writer to insert a real tab into the cell.

The command is available for customization, yet it results in an unclear focus. 

My take => WF.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 102255] UNO: Transpose Paste

2021-04-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102255

--- Comment #7 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Position below the more frequently used items is correct and I would keep
"Transpose". But I doubt "As Link" is important enough for being in the context
menu; hesitate with Transpose too (no hard feeling to add, OTOH).

Wonder if we need shortcuts for the new UNO commands.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 141905] Ctrl+tab to make a tab in Impress table

2021-04-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141905

Xisco FaulĂ­  changed:

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 141884] [Enhancement Request] Export file to PDF as image

2021-04-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141884

Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Resolution|--- |DUPLICATE
 Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED

--- Comment #2 from Heiko Tietze  ---
We have options to disable copying of content (and allow a11y at the same time)
under "security". The question is whether a reader obeys these flags, which is
discussed in bug 141237.

Some PDF reader provide functions to convert/export the content into images. Or
you export from LibreOffice as raster graphic and generate the PDF externally.
Plenty of options.

*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 141237 ***

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 141452] Rename Tools > Chapter Numbering back to Outline Numbering

2021-04-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141452

Roman Kuznetsov <79045_79...@mail.ru> changed:

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--- Comment #4 from Roman Kuznetsov <79045_79...@mail.ru> ---
Just -1 from me

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 141452] Rename Tools > Chapter Numbering back to Outline Numbering

2021-04-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141452

Heiko Tietze  changed:

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--- Comment #3 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Naming was changed deliberately and I disagree to move back. But ticket is open
for input.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 141453] Better integration of outline numbering with paragraph and numbering styles

2021-04-26 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141453

--- Comment #2 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #1)
> One approach to resolving this issue (partially or fully) is the suggestion
> in bug 62032. See also the discussion in the dupe bug 104206.

And why do you need another ticket? There are likely more of this kind.

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