[Bug 161078] Allow direct formatting for page sequences instead of editing the style

2024-05-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161078

--- Comment #2 from Mike Kaganski  ---
(In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #0)
> If you were to say "such a modification is no longer, in fact, the original
> style; and should have its own style name" - that is a legitimate view, but
> only if you also apply it to character, paragraph, list styles etc.

No. It is legitimate as long as there is no "page as a primary object" in
Writer (which is the case), unlike characters, paragraphs, and other primary
objects, that need *some* place, and by that, initiate *automatic* creation of
pages, which uses properties of respective paragraphs (primary objects). The
*logic* (this is *not* an implementation detail, but the underlying idea,
defining the implementation) makes it a feature, that there is no direct
formatting of pages. And no need for that.

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[Bug 160938] FORMCONTROLS: Add ability to Find and Replace field names

2024-05-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160938

--- Comment #3 from Steve  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #2)
> Another F (with replace being disabled) sounds good. But isn't the sidebar
> enough to find a particular field name?

Replace is a critical part of this request. Use case detailed above.

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[Bug 161078] Allow direct formatting for page sequences instead of editing the style

2024-05-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161078

V Stuart Foote  changed:

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--- Comment #1 from V Stuart Foote  ---
>From the Writer Guide (24.2) [1][2]:
"Page styles control page properties (margins, page size, header and footer,
among others). However, unlike paragraphs, characters, and frames, pages can
not have directly applied properties. If you change the properties of a page,
you are actually changing the underlying page style, so those changes are
applied to all pages that use that page style. To change the properties of
individual pages, you need to create a new page style. Headers and footers can
be specified in one style to be different on left or right pages or first
pages."

So we directly format when we apply a page style other than what the current
Page 'Organizer' tab "Next style", or a Paragraph 'Text Flow' tab "Breaks"
defines. It is just a question of the how applied attributes of a page are
grouped together and manipulated during document editing/layout and on export
to ODF.

In the UI, we can fully modify a page style from the Page Style... dialog or
partially from the Page deck's content panels of the Sidebar. 

So we can manually force insert a page break onto a page with a different
style.
And that may be an existing page style, or have made a modification of an
existing page style into a new page style that reflows the page--orientation,
margin, layout, etc. attributes as found fully on the tabs of the Page style
dialog. Noting the Sidebar Page deck omits some of the attributes.

Absent Page style inheritance, bug 41316, each Page style requires its own
style and only a defined "own style" [3] has meaning to be able to reuse from
list box or the F11 Stylist in current document or as saved to template
document.

=-ref-=
[1] https://documentation.libreoffice.org/en/english-documentation/ Writer
Guide 24.2
[2] Byfield's Designing With LibreOffice treats page styles well.
[3]
https://help.libreoffice.org/24.2/en-US/text/swriter/guide/pageorientation.html?DbPAR=WRITER

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[Bug 161075] Rename "Page Style..." to "Page..." on the Format menu

2024-05-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161075

--- Comment #6 from Eyal Rozenberg  ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #5)
> -1

I closed this as NOTABUG... no need for the -1 now.

Anyway, please have a look at bug 161078.

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[Bug 98902] Right clicking on selected text unselects it if the cursor is on a misspelled word

2024-05-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98902

--- Comment #13 from Eyal Rozenberg  ---
Can't reproduce this with:

Version: 24.2.3.2 (X86_64) / LibreOffice Community
Build ID: 433d9c2ded56988e8a90e6b2e771ee4e6a5ab2ba
CPU threads: 4; OS: Linux 6.6; UI render: default; VCL: gtk3
Locale: en-IL (en_IL); UI: en-US

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[Bug 161078] Allow direct formatting for page sequences instead of editing the style

2024-05-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161078

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[Bug 161078] Allow direct formatting for page sequences instead of editing the style

2024-05-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161078

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[Bug 161078] Allow direct formatting for page sequences instead of editing the style

2024-05-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161078

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Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102946
[Bug 102946] [META] Styles bugs and enhancements
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108576
[Bug 108576] [META] Writer page style bugs and enhancements
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[Bug 161075] Rename "Page Style..." to "Page..." on the Format menu

2024-05-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161075

--- Comment #5 from V Stuart Foote  ---
-1

This would be a reversal of what was done for see also bug 126008 [1] where we
renamed the Format -> "Page..." to Format -> "Page Style..." for adjusting the
style of page holding current paragraph--also repositioned it on the menu
removing it from the other DF dialogs.

IMHO no reason to revert, or UX confusion of bug 126008 returns. Though work
remains needed on bug 41316

=-ref-=
[1] https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/77148

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[Bug 161075] Rename "Page Style..." to "Page..." on the Format menu

2024-05-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161075

Eyal Rozenberg  changed:

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 Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |NOTABUG

--- Comment #4 from Eyal Rozenberg  ---
(In reply to nutka from comment #3)
> Created attachment 194121 [details]
> In version: 5.0.0.5, 6.3.6.2 and 6.4.0.1

Thanks, changed the minimum version.

(In reply to nutka from comment #2)
> See Bug 126608 (Writer: Looks as if switch Page to Portrait is impossible -
> Cause: "Format > Page" is not clear because it starts formatting the page
> Style).

Aw, man, I can't believe I've not noticed the behavior discussed there so far!
This is so mental!

Salient comment from that bug:

(In reply to Regina Henschel from comment #46)
> I think, one problem is, that the items 'Character', 'Paragraph' and 'Bullet
> and Numbering…' in that section of the Format menu perform a direct
> formatting which has no effect on other parts or the document. But the item
> 'Page…' there, does not perform a direct formatting at all and has often a
> document-wide effect.
> 
> I suggest to rename 'Page…' to 'Edit Page Style' and move it out of the
> Character-Paragraph section. Perhaps put it after 'Watermark', that has
> already 'Columns', which alters the page style too.

The naming is appropriate given the behavior. The behavior is the problem.

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[Bug 126608] Writer: Looks as if switch Page to Portrait is impossible - Cause: "Format > Page" is not clear because it starts formatting the page Style

2024-05-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=126608

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[Bug 161075] Rename "Page Style..." to "Page..." on the Format menu

2024-05-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161075

Eyal Rozenberg  changed:

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Version|5.0.0.5 release |6.4.0.3 release
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[Bug 161075] Rename "Page Style..." to "Page..." on the Format menu

2024-05-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161075

--- Comment #3 from nutka  ---
Created attachment 194121
  --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=194121=edit
In version: 5.0.0.5, 6.3.6.2 and 6.4.0.1

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[Bug 161075] Rename "Page Style..." to "Page..." on the Format menu

2024-05-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161075

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--- Comment #2 from nutka  ---
I believe "Page Style" was introduced in 6.4.

See Bug 126608 (Writer: Looks as if switch Page to Portrait is impossible -
Cause: "Format > Page" is not clear because it starts formatting the page
Style).

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[Bug 161075] Rename "Page Style..." to "Page..." on the Format menu

2024-05-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161075

--- Comment #1 from Eyal Rozenberg  ---
Apparently, this is a regression, since sometime in 4.x the format menu still
had it right:

https://officeskills.org/apache-open-office-4-1-1-review/

and specifically:

https://officeskills.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/writer-format-menu.jpg

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[Bug 161075] Rename "Page Style..." to "Page..." on the Format menu

2024-05-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161075

Eyal Rozenberg  changed:

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Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85811
[Bug 85811] [META] Main menu bar bugs and enhancements
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103304
[Bug 103304] [META] Page style dialog bugs and enhancements
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[Bug 161075] Rename "Page Style..." to "Page..." on the Format menu

2024-05-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161075

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[Bug 161031] Form creating is too niche to merit a main menu item visible by default

2024-05-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161031

--- Comment #4 from Eyal Rozenberg  ---
(In reply to jan d from comment #3)
> I also assume that "Form" is rarely used. 

Well... rare for most users, but frequent for some users. And the same goes, I
suppose, for some other features on our menus.

> Does it make sense to create a conditional logic for its activation at the
> top level or is it better to group it into another menu (e.g. insert)?

I'm not 100% sure. I would want people who actually use the menu to chime in.
It might, because:

1. It's not a small menu, and has some submenus as well. creating a very large
submenu of Insert, with a third-level menu, seems rather unwieldy.

2. The original designers of the menu wanted it to exist, and found it useful.
I don't know that their considerations are invalid (and would like to
understand what they were, a questio you've also brought)
.
> Conditional logic seems tricky to test and maintain.

Is it, though? There are lots of menu items whose state has conditional
aspects, like being toggled or not, grayed out or not... why not also the
aspect of being visible or not.

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[Bug 161031] Form creating is too niche to merit a main menu item visible by default

2024-05-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161031

--- Comment #3 from jan d  ---
I also assume that "Form" is rarely used. 

Does it make sense to create a conditional logic for its activation at the top
level or is it better to group it into another menu (e.g. insert)? Conditional
logic seems tricky to test and maintain.

I remember that in some update several top level menu points were added (I
guess, form was among them). Do we know what triggered the changes back then?

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[Bug 161029] Special Find presets with regular expression

2024-05-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161029

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[Bug 160858] Add "Apply" button to all tabs of Table Properties dialog

2024-05-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160858

Stéphane Guillou (stragu)  changed:

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   ||stephane.guillou@libreoffic
   ||e.org
 Whiteboard| QA:needsComment|

--- Comment #1 from Stéphane Guillou (stragu) 
 ---
Thanks for the suggestion.
The sidebar and the toolbar should already offer most of the necessary
functions, applied directly, but I understand the appeal.

UX/Design team, what do you think?


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113088
[Bug 113088] [META] Writer table properties dialog bugs and enhancements
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[Bug 160797] File / Export, Export as, Send, Preview in Web browser .... AND: "Generate" ... or

2024-05-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160797

Heiko Tietze  changed:

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[Bug 160938] FORMCONTROLS: Add ability to Find and Replace field names

2024-05-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160938

--- Comment #2 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Another F (with replace being disabled) sounds good. But isn't the sidebar
enough to find a particular field name?

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[Bug 161049] Vertical Tab dialogs--Format Cells dialog in recent 24.8 alpha is too small

2024-05-14 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161049

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