[Bug 160682] HTML "page style" is not a page style - move this functionality elsewhere
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160682 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW Ever confirmed|0 |1 Keywords|needsUXEval | CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |heiko.tietze@documentfounda |.freedesktop.org|tion.org -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.
[Bug 160682] HTML "page style" is not a page style - move this functionality elsewhere
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160682 --- Comment #5 from Cor Nouws --- (In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #4) > IIRC the default Writer template is hard coded (or it was); the user can set > a specific template in stead. > But a template looks sensible to me. IMO this report should be set to new. Maybe first find some support on possible implementation? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.
[Bug 160682] HTML "page style" is not a page style - move this functionality elsewhere
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160682 --- Comment #4 from Cor Nouws --- (In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #3) > (In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #2) > > Still it allows the user to do start a new Writer doc, and change to a HTML > > version. > > I'm not sure I understand what you mean. How can you do this? Do you mean > Web View? Well, that doesn't apply the HTML page style IIANM. So you don't know how to use the product, and still you claim that various page styles are nonsensical.. > > > 3. Converse of (2.) - when editing an HTML document, we _can't_ edit the > > > HTML page style. > > After starting a new HTML document, one can just edit the page style..? > > Ok, true, but only from the Format menu and not through the Styles sidebar. > So, my point (3.) is a bit weak. Just invalid. > > I do not object per see. What is the solution you suggest to use in stead? > > I think it should be "per se" > https://www.grammar-monster.com/Latin_terms/per_se.htm > > Anyway, I am not _sure_ about what the solution should be. But one option I > was thinking of is for HTML documents to use their own template. When you > start a regular document, you open the default Writer template. If we had a > default template for HTML documents, or even simply a template named HTML > (more crude, but easier to implement UI-wise) - we could take its default > page style. IIRC the default Writer template is hard coded (or it was); the user can set a specific template in stead. But a template looks sensible to me. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.
[Bug 160682] HTML "page style" is not a page style - move this functionality elsewhere
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160682 --- Comment #3 from Eyal Rozenberg --- (In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #2) > Still it allows the user to do start a new Writer doc, and change to a HTML > version. I'm not sure I understand what you mean. How can you do this? Do you mean Web View? Well, that doesn't apply the HTML page style IIANM. > > 3. Converse of (2.) - when editing an HTML document, we _can't_ edit the > > HTML page style. > After starting a new HTML document, one can just edit the page style..? Ok, true, but only from the Format menu and not through the Styles sidebar. So, my point (3.) is a bit weak. > I do not object per see. What is the solution you suggest to use in stead? I think it should be "per se" https://www.grammar-monster.com/Latin_terms/per_se.htm Anyway, I am not _sure_ about what the solution should be. But one option I was thinking of is for HTML documents to use their own template. When you start a regular document, you open the default Writer template. If we had a default template for HTML documents, or even simply a template named HTML (more crude, but easier to implement UI-wise) - we could take its default page style. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.
[Bug 160682] HTML "page style" is not a page style - move this functionality elsewhere
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160682 --- Comment #2 from Cor Nouws --- Hi Eyal, (In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #0) > Writer's Styles sidebar has, among its items available by default, an "HTML" > entry. > > It turns out that the settings of the page style are used as the Default > Page Style when creating a new "HTML document" (via File > New > HTML > document). > > This is problematic in multiple senses: > > 1. In a non-HTML-document, the default list page styles should not include a > style (or "pseudo-style") which is not relevant to the current document. Still it allows the user to do start a new Writer doc, and change to a HTML version. > It > must only include styles which may possibly be used in the current document > (and since it's the default list of items - styles which are likely to be > used in the document). (Ambiguous - but prolly more on this later) > 2. It is unreasonable, that the way to control the default page style in > documents of a certain kind would be to open a new document of a different > kind and edit one of the page styles. I don't see why that would be needed. > 3. Converse of (2.) - when editing an HTML document, we _can't_ edit the > HTML page style. After starting a new HTML document, one can just edit the page style..? > 4. The default page style of a document is typically taken from the default > page style of its template (and there's a default template if we haven't > specified one explicitly). Why should this be different for HTML documents? Do not disagree to that. > 5. It is currently possible for the HTML page style, with its use mentioned > above, to be applied various places in non-HTML document? That's a total > mess! Gives me a headache just to think about it. Indeed that is not what it is meant for ;) > 6. This is inconsistent with other special kinds of documents which can be > created using File > New, e.g. labels and business cards. Why should they > not also get a "Labels" page style? Still there may be good reasons for the difference. > 7. And a final side-note: HTML documents do actually have page styles: > > https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/@page > > and page breaks: > > https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/CSS_fragmentation > > but the first six points are reason enough to get rid of this "page style". I do not object per see. What is the solution you suggest to use in stead? Thanks, Cor -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.
[Bug 160682] HTML "page style" is not a page style - move this functionality elsewhere
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160682 --- Comment #1 from Heiko Tietze --- (In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #0) > It turns out that the settings of the page style are used as the Default > Page Style when creating a new "HTML document" (via File > New > HTML > document). And Writer Web blocks the customization of page styles and uses HTML for the program internal representation. I wonder if using Default PS would have an detrimental effect. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.
[Bug 160682] HTML "page style" is not a page style - move this functionality elsewhere
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160682 Eyal Rozenberg changed: What|Removed |Added Keywords||needsUXEval CC||c...@nouenoff.nl, ||libreoffice-ux-advise@lists ||.freedesktop.org, ||rb.hensc...@t-online.de -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.
