[Bug 161082] Print dialog: Put initial focus to "Printer" combobox

2024-05-31 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161082

Heiko Tietze  changed:

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--- Comment #5 from Heiko Tietze  ---
We discussed the topic in the design meeting. The number of copies might be the
primary function for many of not most users but can be reached easily from the
top-most control per alt+N (or the respective mnemonic depending on
localization). In general it's advised to start on top not least to ease the
navigation for disabled users with screen readers.

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[Bug 161082] Print dialog: Put initial focus to "Printer" combobox

2024-05-30 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161082

--- Comment #4 from Justin L  ---
-1 that would be awful. Every time I print I set the printing options once, and
then print multiple times, changing only the number of pages to print (and the
range of pages to print). The number of copies to print is the most important
setting for me.

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[Bug 161082] Print dialog: Put initial focus to "Printer" combobox

2024-05-15 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161082

V Stuart Foote  changed:

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--- Comment #3 from V Stuart Foote  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #2)
> And my reply
> 
> (In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #12)
> > From the efficiency POV, the most relevant function should be in focus. And
> > that's the number of copies: ctrl+P into the dialog, arrow up as many copies
> > you like, and enter to run the action.
> > 
> > Admittedly it's odd to start tabbing (or screen reading) in the middle of a
> > dialog.

But the actual printer selection *is* the more significant condition. Knowing
it before configuring print range and number of copies is crucial, especially
as the range and number of copies have reasonable default. While printer
selection takes a value from os/DE default or as recorded to ODF archive for a
document. And that means the user will not know what printer is selected on
opening the dialog!

Very serious situation as the printer could be a disconnected network printer,
or a remote network printer, or a "print to file" printer resource.

So rather than the copy count (and needed 10  round to reach the printer
listbox), starting from the printer selection is the more
conservative/appropriate landing.

It certainly is from an a11y point!

+1, change the dialog landing to the "Printer" listbox selector.

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[Bug 161082] Print dialog: Put initial focus to "Printer" combobox

2024-05-15 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161082

--- Comment #2 from Heiko Tietze  ---
And my reply

(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #12)
> From the efficiency POV, the most relevant function should be in focus. And
> that's the number of copies: ctrl+P into the dialog, arrow up as many copies
> you like, and enter to run the action.
> 
> Admittedly it's odd to start tabbing (or screen reading) in the middle of a
> dialog.

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[Bug 161082] Print dialog: Put initial focus to "Printer" combobox

2024-05-15 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161082

Michael Weghorn  changed:

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   Severity|normal  |enhancement
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   ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16
   ||0824,
   ||https://bugs.documentfounda
   ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34
   ||641
   Keywords||needsUXEval

--- Comment #1 from Michael Weghorn  ---
(In reply to Michael Weghorn from comment #0)
> # Expected behavior:
> 
> Initial focus should be on the "Printers" combobox at the top of the dialog.

That's my personal opinion of course, for the reasons given above. I don't
really have strong feelings about it, though - up to the UX team to decide.

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