https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161441
--- Comment #15 from Telesto ---
(In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #14)
> (In reply to Telesto from comment #0)
> > UI: Hard to tell which side of a shape being used for as reference for
> > rotation
>
> Are you sure that is exactly the problem? See below
You're right, this isn't the core problem. FWIW: when reporting an it's always
flipping between reporting a 'solution' with a description of the problem. Or
more a description of experience without clear cut answer to the solution (and
sometimes even real clue why the experience being off)
>
> > This rather common experience, IMHO. Lets assume some - like me - re-using a
> > shape (by copy paste) initially drawn say vertically but used horizontally.
> > The horizontal shape will have 90 degree angle. Really counter intuitive
> In itself, this is not counter-intuitive to me, nor does it matter.
At the same time: Yes, you right and No, it does matter. Yes, you are right: It
doesn't matter as long I can archive my goal. It would have gone unnoticed if I
used the WYSWING rotation mode .uno:ClickChangeRotation.
However I struggled to realize it exists (Draw/Impress have it; Writer does
not) and properly accessing it (see bug 161500). So I did look at sidebar ->
rotation. With the experience that a visually similar oriented shape
(rectangle) can have a 0 degree rotation or 90 degree (compare green rectangle
and red rectangle in attachment 194623). Also if you rotate the green rectangle
90 degree (right). Having 2 shapes with same rotation degree set delivering a
different result
> problem, I would say, is with the ffect you mentioned earlier:
>
> > the negative or positive rotation doesn't matter, until you you add
> > text to a shape
>
> So, I would say that the meaningful issue you're pointing out is that, on
> one hand, the shapes looks the same, but on the other hand, they have
> significantly different behaviors.
Yes
> What other behavior distinguishes the shapes other than the text block?
The rotation seen in the sidebar/dialogs.
> Because, for the text block, one could argue that once you "enter" the
> block, you see a rectangular frame for the text block itself, that lets you
> know what you can expect when typing. Please explain why that is not good
> enough.
> > Opposite happens to: copy/paste of horizontal shape rotation to vertical.
> > So horizontal shape getting angle of 90, which feels natural (to me)
>
> I didn't understand this sentence. Nor your definition of a "horizontal
> shape". Do you mean a 2D shape for which the page-horizontal extent is
> larger than the page-vertical extent?
>
> > A) Use one angle as basepoint (say horizontal). So vertically drawn object
> > is has automatically a 90 degree angle. No clue if this being workable
>
> Don't quite get this either. You seem to have defined a "vertical shape" and
> a "horizontal shape", but what does it mean to be "vertically drawn"?
I sometimes have hard time expressing myself; sorry. I hope the illustration
given based on attachment 194623 helps
>
> > B) Some visual indicator on the shape itself marking where the top side of
> > the shape is; improving the UI feedback
>
> How would this be useful other than for knowing how the text area behaves?
Well it's suboptimal solution, IMHO. The core issue: the experience that a
visually similar oriented shape (rectangle) can have a 0 degree angle or 90
degree angle. And follow-up on that the adjusting the angle becomes math.
Rotate the green shape (with text) (attachment 194623) 45 degree. Now rotate
the red shape (with text), to match the green shape. I have to really think/or
use the try and error mode to conclude:315 / 135 degree. Normally I mindlessly
adjust to the same value (45 degree). Also notice that the label text is hard
to read. So you want to adjust that (already an additional step I didn't intend
to do). To conclude: there is no way to adjust the label orientation (as far I
can tell). So no need to redo you work by re-draw the rectangle, I suppose.
A (simple) rotating action which I normally perceive as something done
mindlessly becomes mind numbing, time consuming frustrating activity. The
application working against me (in my perception).
And no it's hard to draw a rectangle with a 90 degree rotation
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