[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 101820] DIALOG: Revise Page Style's Page tab

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 Resolution|--- |WONTFIX
 Status|ASSIGNED|RESOLVED

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--- Comment #13 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Created attachment 173236
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Patch, second iteration

We discussed this on Telegram. Page layout has the wrong position but the
advantage is too small for my taste. Played around with a collapsed section for
Print but this was rejected too. Abandoning.

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--- Comment #12 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Created attachment 173169
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Screenshot with patch applied

This would be my proposal, on Gerrit for review at
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/117791

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   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |ASSIGNED
   Keywords|needsUXEval |
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--- Comment #11 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Created attachment 173052
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Screenshot with v7.2

This dialog has change slightly. But questions remain:

1. rename "Paper Format" to "Paper" and
   rename "Format" to "Size"
2. align "Orientation" options horizontally
3. add "Presets" to margins
4. move "Paper try" under "Layout Settings"
5. put "[ ] Use page line-spacing" (was: "Register-true") on top of "Reference
Style"
6. add "Style" section for "Text direction" (requires tools > options >
language > Asian or CJK enabled), "Page number", all newly introduced "Gutter"
items, "Background"

My take:
1. Yes
2. No, since l10n might need some space
3. Some effort, gutter not include (see also bug 141720), but no objection
4. There might be a reason why this has an extra place
5. Looks weird in the proposal; better something like "Page line-spacing: [ ]
Use"
6. Yes

Is this needed/desirable?

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--- Comment #10 from HamishSeymour  ---
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   Keywords|skillJava   |needsUXEval
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URL||http://www.print2eforms.com
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--- Comment #9 from vamshi  ---

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mapping and Epub conversion services company where we work with industries like
health, education, BFSI, Governments, Telecom, Data etc
http://www.print2eforms.com/

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 101820] DIALOG: Revise Page Style's Page tab

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Bug 101820 depends on bug 67973, which changed state.

Bug 67973 Summary: UI: change option name from "Format" to "Page Number Format" 
in dialog Page styles
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67973

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |FIXED

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Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103304
[Bug 103304] [META] Page dialog bugs and enhancements
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--- Comment #8 from Cor Nouws  ---
(In reply to Yousuf Philips (jay) from comment #7)
> The options in Page layout are only useful when you print, as can be seen in
> 'only left' and 'only right', as it doesnt change anything that you see on
> the screen.

Try setting different margin left and right, and look at the result when you
choose Mirrored. Or give some hard breaks and look as result with Right Only
(print preview/page count).
It's not just the paper output but clearly on the screen. Hence my
'reservation'.

> > And paper try mostly related to paper format, IMO.
> 
> Paper tray is a property of the printer you are printing from.

It's a property of the page settings, allowing to force printing from a certain
tray. That could be size or orientation, but also same settings as all other
pates, but with different paper (letter head for example).
So also hear, it's hard to catch the setting in a certain term.

NB: I didn't refer the check box Synchronize anymore. Though I don't think it's
useful for most modules, I'm fine with it being there.

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--- Comment #7 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #5)
> Thanks. It looks clean.

Glad you like it.

> The section names 'Print' and 'Style' look as if they not fully/nicely cover
> what is in them, but hard to find better terms.

They use the same 12px spacing used in 'Paper' and 'Margins'.

> Right and left page layout of course is also on the screen.

The options in Page layout are only useful when you print, as can be seen in
'only left' and 'only right', as it doesnt change anything that you see on the
screen.

> And paper try mostly related to paper format, IMO.

Paper tray is a property of the printer you are printing from.

(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #6)
> Before we start with the actual implementation we should flesh out the
> basics. I mean questions like two or more columns, indentation, relation of
> labels vs. controls etc., all what's declared in a guideline.

The focus here is of better categorization of the headings and its controls, as
issue of columns, indentation, etc. can be handled later.

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--- Comment #6 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Before we start with the actual implementation we should flesh out the basics.
I mean questions like two or more columns, indentation, relation of labels vs.
controls etc., all what's declared in a guideline. This might end up in this
ui. We started the discussion last year in the mailing list
http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/msg07251.html and talked
recently about alignment (both threads unfinished).

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--- Comment #5 from Cor Nouws  ---
(In reply to Yousuf Philips (jay) from comment #3)
> (In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #2)
> > @jay: can you please show a mockup of the shuffle and changes, esp. the
> > right side of the dialog?
> 
> Enjoy.

Thanks. It looks clean.
The section names 'Print' and 'Style' look as if they not fully/nicely cover
what is in them, but hard to find better terms. Right and left page layout of
course is also on the screen. And paper try mostly related to paper format,
IMO. But I can live with it.
(Interesting that the Text direction can be set per page style (currently the
case too).)

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--- Comment #4 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
Created attachment 127149
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pageformatpage.ui

Here is the modified glade file for those who want to try it out (put it in
/opt/libreofficedev5.3/share/config/soffice.cfg/cui/ui/) and for the dev who
wants to implement the margin presets.

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--- Comment #3 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
Created attachment 127148
  --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=127148=edit
screenshot

(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #1)
> OK, no objections. But please remember the "Page setup" dialog is also used
> with configs for other modules--not just Writer. So this review has to be
> done for each before changing in Writer alone.

Yes the new organization also works in Calc and Impress/Draw.

> And, one of my long standing peeves is lack of margin settings in sidebar
> for Draw/Impress properties--and default for Draw pages like Impress Slides
> should be "none" rather than the default of 1cm/.39".

Not sure why it is being brought up here.

(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #2)
> @jay: can you please show a mockup of the shuffle and changes, esp. the
> right side of the dialog?

Enjoy.

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--- Comment #2 from Cor Nouws  ---
@jay: can you please show a mockup of the shuffle and changes, esp. the right
side of the dialog?
Also: I think that synchronize margin settings makes sense in Draw maybe, but
not in Writer and Calc.

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--- Comment #1 from V Stuart Foote  ---
@Jay,

OK, no objections. But please remember the "Page setup" dialog is also used
with configs for other modules--not just Writer. So this review has to be done
for each before changing in Writer alone.

And, one of my long standing peeves is lack of margin settings in sidebar for
Draw/Impress properties--and default for Draw pages like Impress Slides should
be "none" rather than the default of 1cm/.39".

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 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW
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