[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 102070] Menubar button to change the toolbar layout/mode
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102070 Yousuf Philips (jay) changed: What|Removed |Added Keywords||needsDevEval, topicUI Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW CC||philip...@hotmail.com Blocks||102062 Summary|Possibility of having a |Menubar button to change |button to change Toolbar|the toolbar layout/mode |Layout near the Update | |button | Ever confirmed|0 |1 --- Comment #6 from Yousuf Philips (jay) --- (In reply to steve -_- from comment #1) > As an alternative the option could be in the LO preferneces > View, but > honestly I prefer the menubar > view. Not a good alternative place as only advanced users open the options dialog and there are different toolbar modes per module (e.g. there is no sidebar mode in impress and there is no single toolbar mode in draw) (In reply to Pedro from comment #3) > Why is it a one time process? for you maybe, but what if an user prefers to > use Sidebar in Writer, double toolbar in Calc and Single toolbar in Impress > and wants to change the UI per module? Yes per module users may want to change it once or more until they are content with the mode and then they normally never change it again. With KSO, i only switch to the classic mode when i want to see their menu or toolbar structure, other than that, i stick with their ribbon UI. Setting the necessary keywords to have a dev look into how difficult it would be to implement this, though i believe that it should be simple as we are already doing the same for the update button, though it maybe difficult to have a menu popup from clicking the button, which in that case we could always create a dialog for the switching if necessary. I believe the update icon code is here. http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/extensions/source/update/ui/updatecheckui.cxx Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102062 [Bug 102062] [META] Extended Toolbar (Notebook) bugs and enhancements -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 102070] Menubar button to change the toolbar layout/mode
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102070 --- Comment #7 from V Stuart Foote --- Created attachment 127287 --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=127287&action=edit menubar close button always active, and transient update button on a Windows build The menubar Close button and LibreOffice Update button widgets are hard coded in src, they are not .UI configured. And placement onto the menubar is really not a very good part of the UI to try using for GUI configuration preferences. =-ref-= http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/extensions/source/update/check/updatecheck.hxx#141 http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/vcl/source/window/menubarwindow.cxx http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/vcl/inc/salmenu.hxx of course GTK has its on twist on things. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 102070] Menubar button to change the toolbar layout/mode
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102070 --- Comment #8 from Pedro --- "And placement onto the menubar is really not a very good part of the UI to try using for GUI configuration preferences." It's a method of having a one way stop for UI configuration instead of having it spread around multiple dialog boxes and accessed in multiple Menu items. For example, if I want to change the icon set, icon size, and toolbar layout I have to go to: Tools --> Options --> View to change icons, View --> Toolbar Layout These options should be readily accessible in the same module to allow for more intuitive and faster configuration so that I can quickly adjust the UI to my needs and preferences instead of having to dig around in completely unrelated modules. IMO having this immediately visible to the user is crucial because it will become one of the strong and unique points of LO. The user can make it its own. If you don't agree with having the button there, then I would suggest creating a completely separate Menu entry then. But hey, if you don't want the excelent work done by yourselves in the past year and a half - to provide the users with UI choices - easily discoverable then that's on you. If I had spent so much time doing this, and being fully confident in my work I would try to make as easily discoverable as possible instead of hiding it away in submenus to stick to a legacy UI that wasn't developed by the LO contributors. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 102070] Menubar button to change the toolbar layout/mode
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102070 Samuel Mehrbrodt (CIB) changed: What|Removed |Added CC||s.mehrbr...@gmail.com --- Comment #9 from Samuel Mehrbrodt (CIB) --- Havent read everything in here, but atm we shouldn't add any easy discoverable means to activate the Notebookbar. It is only a proof-of-concept currently and far from finished. Please leave it hidden for now, as we did with the Sidebar in earlier days. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 102070] Menubar button to change the toolbar layout/mode
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102070 --- Comment #10 from Yousuf Philips (jay) --- (In reply to Pedro from comment #8) > These options should be readily accessible in the same module to allow for > more intuitive and faster configuration so that I can quickly adjust the UI > to my needs and preferences instead of having to dig around in completely > unrelated modules. True, see bug 80544. > IMO having this immediately visible to the user is crucial because it will > become one of the strong and unique points of LO. The user can make it its > own. It definitely is useful, but not crucial, as the user had the option to reorganize the toolbars previously, though had to do it manually. > If you don't agree with having the button there, then I would suggest > creating a completely separate Menu entry then. Unfortunately that isnt a good idea, as changing the layout of toolbars isnt important enough to justify that. > But hey, if you don't want the excelent work done by yourselves in the past > year and a half - to provide the users with UI choices - easily discoverable > then that's on you. Yes we do want users to easily be able to switch the toolbar layout, which is why we didnt stuff this option in the Options dialog, but added it to the recently organized menu bar. Having a button on the menubar will possibly make this feature more easily discoverable, but there isnt any guaranteed method that will show this option to the user. What is the 'year and a half' you are referring to? > If I had spent so much time doing this, and being fully confident in my work > I would try to make as easily discoverable as possible instead of hiding it > away in submenus to stick to a legacy UI that wasn't developed by the LO > contributors. Not getting what you mean by 'so much time', but if you are talking about the notebookbar, then it has been worked on for maybe 6 months. Toolbars are used in most applications, so i wouldnt call it a legacy UI and we have improved the toolbars during LO's lifetime. (In reply to Samuel Mehrbrodt (CIB) from comment #9) > Havent read everything in here, but atm we shouldn't add any easy > discoverable means to activate the Notebookbar. It is only a > proof-of-concept currently and far from finished. The button isnt about easy discoverability of the notebookbar, but easy discoverability of switching the toolbar layouts/modes. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 102070] Menubar button to change the toolbar layout/mode
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102070 --- Comment #11 from V Stuart Foote --- (In reply to Yousuf Philips (jay) from comment #10) > (In reply to Samuel Mehrbrodt (CIB) from comment #9) > > Havent read everything in here, but atm we shouldn't add any easy > > discoverable means to activate the Notebookbar. It is only a > > proof-of-concept currently and far from finished. > > The button isnt about easy discoverability of the notebookbar, but easy > discoverability of switching the toolbar layouts/modes. No, I think what Samuel is concerned about *is* that we are already providing too much visibility to the NotebookBar before it has been fully implemented. Like the Sidebar in its debut--the NotebookBar should probably remain an experimental feature rather than already being enabled by default and already visible from the View -> Toolbar Layout entries. This obsession with making it "easily accessible" is premature. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 102070] Menubar button to change the toolbar layout/mode
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102070 --- Comment #12 from Samuel Mehrbrodt (CIB) --- (In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #11) > (In reply to Yousuf Philips (jay) from comment #10) > > (In reply to Samuel Mehrbrodt (CIB) from comment #9) > > > Havent read everything in here, but atm we shouldn't add any easy > > > discoverable means to activate the Notebookbar. It is only a > > > proof-of-concept currently and far from finished. > > > > The button isnt about easy discoverability of the notebookbar, but easy > > discoverability of switching the toolbar layouts/modes. > > No, I think what Samuel is concerned about *is* that we are already > providing too much visibility to the NotebookBar before it has been fully > implemented. Like the Sidebar in its debut--the NotebookBar should probably > remain an experimental feature rather than already being enabled by default > and already visible from the View -> Toolbar Layout entries. > > This obsession with making it "easily accessible" is premature. Exactly, thanks Stuart! -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 102070] Menubar button to change the toolbar layout/mode
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102070 --- Comment #13 from Yousuf Philips (jay) --- (In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #11) > No, I think what Samuel is concerned about *is* that we are already > providing too much visibility to the NotebookBar before it has been fully > implemented. Like the Sidebar in its debut--the NotebookBar should probably > remain an experimental feature rather than already being enabled by default > and already visible from the View -> Toolbar Layout entries. Well the sidebar was an experimental feature in 4.1 before its debut in 4.2, so maybe the notebookbar should only be visible when the experimental checkbox is checked in the options dialog. > This obsession with making it "easily accessible" is premature. Well that doesnt change the fact of having the other toolbar modes easily accessible. There is going to be alot of hype/discussion/retaliation around the notebookbar when 5.3 is released and people are going to try it and reporters are going to write about it and i'm assuming it will also be featured in the 'what's new' videos. So we better braise for impact. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 102070] Menubar button to change the toolbar layout/mode
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102070 --- Comment #14 from Samuel Mehrbrodt (CIB) --- (In reply to Yousuf Philips (jay) from comment #13) > Well the sidebar was an experimental feature in 4.1 before its debut in 4.2, > so maybe the notebookbar should only be visible when the experimental > checkbox is checked in the options dialog. If you enabled the experimental options, only the menu entry to activate the sidebar became visible. Nothing more. > Well that doesnt change the fact of having the other toolbar modes easily > accessible. > > There is going to be alot of hype/discussion/retaliation around the > notebookbar when 5.3 is released and people are going to try it and > reporters are going to write about it and i'm assuming it will also be > featured in the 'what's new' videos. So we better braise for impact. Not if we do not mention them in the release notes. And I think we shouldn't before we have the same for all apps (we have ~nothing for Base,Math,Basic IDE atm). And its really not ready to replace the current toolbars. we have no way to customize things or allow extensions to integrate. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 102070] Menubar button to change the toolbar layout/mode
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102070 --- Comment #15 from Samuel Mehrbrodt (CIB) --- Also it might be worth bumping the major version to 6.0 if we release the Notebookbar/other toolbar modes, so I really think we should wait 1 or two releases before making it public. For the enthusiasts it already is there to try out. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 102070] Menubar button to change the toolbar layout/mode
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102070 --- Comment #16 from Yousuf Philips (jay) --- (In reply to Samuel Mehrbrodt (CIB) from comment #14) > If you enabled the experimental options, only the menu entry to activate the > sidebar became visible. Nothing more. Didnt quite follow, but i'm saying that we could link the experimental options checkbox with the visibility of notebookbar entry in the toolbar layout submenu (.uno:ToolbarMode) and we would likely have to remove the notebookbar submenu (.uno:Notebookbar) from the view menu unless it can be hidden. > Not if we do not mention them in the release notes. Already mentioned in the release notes as it was GSoC work. > And I think we shouldn't before we have the same for all apps (we have > ~nothing for Base,Math,Basic IDE atm). I doubt notebookbar is needed in math, as the toolbar is pretty much empty already, or for basic ide as devs dont care for a notebookbar interface. No idea about base as i havent used it or worked on its toolbars or menus. :D > And its really not ready to replace the current toolbars. we have no way to > customize things or allow extensions to integrate. Thats why i'm suggesting it only be visible when experimental options is enabled, as it is unfinished. (In reply to Samuel Mehrbrodt (CIB) from comment #15) > Also it might be worth bumping the major version to 6.0 if we release the > Notebookbar/other toolbar modes, so I really think we should wait 1 or two > releases before making it public. Yes bumping to 6.0 for the release of notebookbar sounds like a good idea, and i believe 6.0 is already scheduled to happen after 5.3. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 102070] Menubar button to change the toolbar layout/mode
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102070 --- Comment #17 from Pedro --- I do agree that the Notebookbar should not be accessible untill it is considered to be usable enough at least in the three main modules (Writer, Impress and Calc) and maybe in Draw as well. But that doesn't invalidate the discussion for making these default toolbar layouts already available to become discoverable. But I guess that having them under the View Menu is already a lot better than having them buried in: Tools --> Options --> View I just wanted to see it even less buried. But if it's not feasible then I won't push for more. Maybe move the selection of icon set and icon size to the View Menu as well then. For visually impaired users it would probably be easier to change icon size if it was under the View menu which is much more accessible than under 3 submenus. And the icon set would be another interesting option. The issue then is that the View menu would have too many subcategories. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 102070] Menubar button to change the toolbar layout/mode
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102070 Yousuf Philips (jay) changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10 ||3323 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 102070] Menubar button to change the toolbar layout/mode
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102070 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added CC||79045_79...@mail.ru --- Comment #18 from Heiko Tietze --- *** Bug 106630 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 102070] Menubar button to change the toolbar layout/mode
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102070 Yousuf Philips (jay) changed: What|Removed |Added Blocks||103239 Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103239 [Bug 103239] [META] Toolbars bugs and enhancements -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 102070] Menubar button to change the toolbar layout/mode
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102070 Pedro changed: What|Removed |Added Resolution|FIXED |WONTFIX -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 102070] Menubar button to change the toolbar layout/mode
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102070 Pedro changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |FIXED -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 102070] Menubar button to change the toolbar layout/mode
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102070 V Stuart Foote changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11 ||5131 Resolution|WONTFIX |FIXED --- Comment #19 from V Stuart Foote --- Calling this resolved fixed with work on bug 115131 to elevate the Notebookbar modes (still experimental) onto the main menu as elements on the new View -> User Interface list. Present on the main menu, and from Notebookbar menus, so no need for a GUI split-button object. Desired visibility of the MUFFIN Notebookbar modes has been achieved. =-ref-= https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/49575 https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/gitweb?p=core.git;a=commitdiff;h=5c573a2f7473bae7bb965ca36557cd1b0bf7b9c9 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 102070] Menubar button to change the toolbar layout/mode
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102070 V Stuart Foote changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11 ||7463 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-ux-advise mailing list Libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise
