[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 117463] Create a Dialog that shows up on first boot of Writer/Calc/Impress for the user to pick its default UI

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--- Comment #62 from Robert Großkopf  ---
*** Bug 138114 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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Bug 117463 depends on bug 137427, which changed state.

Bug 137427 Summary: UI Picker is not showing by default on first launch of each 
module
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=137427

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |WONTFIX

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Bug 117463 depends on bug 138051, which changed state.

Bug 138051 Summary: UI Picker dialog height follows the selected mode, 
subsequent calls can leave button actions blocked by text description
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=138051

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |FIXED

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Bug 117463 depends on bug 137423, which changed state.

Bug 137423 Summary: Launch of the UI picker from Tip of the Day -- radio button 
UI mode descriptions over top of dialog buttons
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=137423

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |DUPLICATE

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 Status|RESOLVED|CLOSED

--- Comment #61 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Jesse from comment #60)
> Is there any way to open this dialog manually? It didn't pop up after I
> updated the flatpak package.

We had a controversial discussion how to implement this. The solution is to
advertise this dialog via tip-of-the-day rather than showing it automatically.
You can always show the UI picker per View > User Interface... (previously and
still available for customization all UI options were listed below User
Interface).

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--- Comment #60 from jesse...@ymail.com ---
Is there any way to open this dialog manually? It didn't pop up after I updated
the flatpak package.

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Bug 117463 depends on bug 138631, which changed state.

Bug 138631 Summary: "Apply to All" button in select preferred UI dialog can't 
be translated
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=138631

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|ASSIGNED|RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |FIXED

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   What|Removed |Added

 Depends on||138631


Referenced Bugs:

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[Bug 138631] "Apply to All" button in select preferred UI dialog can't be
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--- Comment #59 from Mike Kaganski  ---
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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117463
Bug 117463 depends on bug 138051, which changed state.

Bug 138051 Summary: UI Picker dialog height follows the selected mode, 
subsequent calls can leave button actions blocked by text description
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=138051

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED
 Resolution|FIXED   |---

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117463
Bug 117463 depends on bug 138051, which changed state.

Bug 138051 Summary: UI Picker dialog height follows the selected mode, 
subsequent calls can leave button actions blocked by text description
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=138051

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|ASSIGNED|RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |FIXED

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   What|Removed |Added

 Depends on||138051


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=138051
[Bug 138051] UI Picker dialog size follows the selected mode, subsequent calls
can leave button actions blocked by text description
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Bug 117463 depends on bug 137500, which changed state.

Bug 137500 Summary: UI Picker should handle situation when run from Start Center
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=137500

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|ASSIGNED|RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |FIXED

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--- Comment #58 from Mike Kaganski  ---
(In reply to Rizal Muttaqin from comment #57)
> but hopefully the
> action link text can be changed to be something to less technical. Some of
> idea:
> ...
> The tooltip also need to be changed. User does not need to know what kind of
> command they will execute. This "Execute the command .uno:ToolbarModeUI"
> seems likely will scary user. Some of my suggestion
> ...

A very reasonable suggestion. But it should be a new issue.
Also, given that the function added there is a very generic one (allowing to
run arbitrary UNO command), there may be several ways to solve it:

* using a new translatable hint string in the TofD (a bas one IMO);
* extracting the existing hint from the UNO command itself, something like in
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/85776.

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--- Comment #57 from Rizal Muttaqin  ---
Created attachment 166487
  --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=166487=edit
New ToTD telling user ability to switch UI

I am so thanks for this change, and it quitely nice, but hopefully the action
link text can be changed to be something to less technical. Some of idea:

"Change user interface"
"Change LibreOffice interface"

The tooltip also need to be changed. User does not need to know what kind of
command they will execute. This "Execute the command .uno:ToolbarModeUI" seems
likely will scary user. Some of my suggestion

"Change user interface from a range of choice"
"Run user interface changer dialog"

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--- Comment #56 from John Mills  ---
Hi all,

I would just like to apologise if my comments were taken inappropriately,
certainly these are in no way meant as any personal attack against any of the
developers, Heiko in particular who I know works very hard for the goals of the
Document Foundation and LibreOffice in particular.

My concerns were not really about the issue with the first slide not being
displayed, I realised this was most likely some sort of bug. More the fact that
the description for this bug report is:

'Create a Dialog that shows up on first boot of Writer/Calc/Impress for the
user to pick its default UI'  

And that the resolution as provided does not reach that goal, I do like the
first tip of the day by the way. But I understand the choice from both points
of view. We all walk a very thin line and care about the greater goals of
LibreOffice adoption and putting free software in the hands of people who can
really benefit from this fantastic product and community.

So once again for any offense I apologise.

Kind regards,

John

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--- Comment #55 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Mike Kaganski from comment #54)
> OMG...

No need to accuse back, John is usually a very kind person.

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--- Comment #54 from Mike Kaganski  ---
(In reply to John Mills from comment #50)

(In reply to John Mills from comment #52)

OMG.
"A fix was implemented. I checked it and saw it has a problem - it shows second
tip instead of first. You all decided to hurt me!!! I don't even try to think
that other possibility - that that was a bug, which just needs fixing (fixed
already in tdf#137429). I will use words "you have now decided", and
"completely disingenuous", and many words claiming that a decision was made
that in fact wasn't"...

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   What|Removed |Added

 Depends on||137500


Referenced Bugs:

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[Bug 137500] UI Picker should handle situation when run from Start Center
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Bug 117463 depends on bug 137429, which changed state.

Bug 137429 Summary: Logic for showing the UI Picker dialog via Tip-of-the-Day 
mechanism seem off
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=137429

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|ASSIGNED|RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |FIXED

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Bug 117463 depends on bug 137424, which changed state.

Bug 137424 Summary: UI Picker dialog missing 'Contextual single' UI mode
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=137424

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|ASSIGNED|RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |FIXED

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--- Comment #53 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to John Mills from comment #52)
> ...will serve much of a practical purpose if you have already made the 
> decision...

There is no dictator in open source projects, and if I'm not willing and
arguing against a solution it's not that you or anyone else is blocked doing
the work. Actually it is pretty simple now with the patch I submitted.

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--- Comment #52 from John Mills  ---
Hello Heiko,

Thank you, I have had no part in the resolution of this bug report, so it is
inappropriate for me to change description. Clearly a decision was made that
the status is 'Resolved' when in reality the bug request will not be resolved
as the dialogue currently will not be displayed upon start.

I will make the request in bug 137427 that it is displayed on first launch, but
I do not feel that will serve much of a practical purpose if you have already
made the decision that it wont be fixed there. This obfuscates the need to
track there as that ticket is a child of this one.

This is not a personal criticism only an observation made on both of these
tickets and the status of this being set to resolved when currently it will not
be implemented as originally stated it would be.

With best regards,

John

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--- Comment #51 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to John Mills from comment #50)
> ... please do the correct thing and change to 'Wont Fix'

You have the same rights as me, feel free to change the resolution. And
complaints about not showing on start-up are better done in bug 137427.

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--- Comment #50 from John Mills  ---
Hello all,

So I installed the the latest 7.1 alpha last night to provide feedback on this
ticket for my experiences as I saw there were a few 'snagging points'
highlighted.

My experience is the same as Stuart's of this dialogue not appearing and the
tip of the day starting from number 2.

I came back to this ticket to look if others have had the same issue and I can
see that Stuart had raised an issue for this point Bug#137427.   

I am copying the dialogue from that ticket to here as it is relevant:

Information from Bug Bug 137427 - UI Picker is not showing by default on first
launch of each module 

> V Stuart Foote 2020-10-12 13:58:33 UTC
>
>Not clear if this was not yet implemented, but as spec'd in bug 117463 on 
>first >launch of a module with a clean new profile, the UI picker was going to 
>be >presented.
>
>[tag] [reply] [−] Comment 1 Heiko Tietze 2020-10-12 14:13:18 UTC
>
>I will not force showing the UI picker initially. The TotD is a compromise and 
>>if users don't take the advice it's pretty easy to do later (View > UI...). 
>>Point is that any initial "configure me", "start here", "do that" is odd. My 
>>(personal) take => WF.
>
>[tag] [reply] [−] Comment 2 V Stuart Foote 2020-10-12 14:38:37 UTC
>
>I am of course fine with not forcing it either. Just filed the BZ as it was an 
>>agreed facet of the resolved fixed bug 117463  -- Stuart

So if I understand this correctly @Heiko you have now decided that you will not
show an initial dialogue.

"I will not force showing the UI picker initially. The TotD is a compromise and
>if users don't take the advice it's pretty easy to do later (View > UI...).
>Point is that any initial "configure me", "start here", "do that" is odd. My
>(personal) take => WF."

This is completely disingenuous, you have marked this bug report as resolved,it
clearly is not. If it is possible now please change this to Wont fix. As
clearly you believe that providing this initial dialogue is 'odd' and your
(personal) take is => WF.

This goes against everything that has been said in this report for the last
months. Finally I thought that there was some understanding of the importance
of highlighting the fantastic work done in this field and providing LibreOffice
users with a real choice. 

Even Stuart realised that this functionality is a blocker for closing this bug
report:

'I am of course fine with not forcing it either. Just filed the BZ as it was an
agreed facet of the resolved fixed bug 117463  -- Stuart' 

Clearly as was an agreed facet to resolve this bug and you have now decided
that it will not happen the bug by definition is not resolved. Again I suggest
if you can then please do the correct thing and change to 'Wont Fix' so that
those people who understand the importance of this bug report can move on as I
genuinely believed that you had the interests of your user in mind.

Kind regards,

John

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--- Comment #49 from V Stuart Foote  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #48)
> (In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #46)
> > Several issues:
> 
> Please file tickets. Think I can fix all myself.

done...

bug 137423 -- Launch of the UI picker from Tip of the Day -- radio button UI
mode descriptions over top of dialog buttons
bug 137424 -- UI Picker dialog missing 'Contextual single' UI mode
bug 137427 -- UI Picker is not showing by default on first launch of each
module
bug 137429 -- Logic for showing the UI Picker dialog via Tip-of-the-Day
mechanism seem off

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   What|Removed |Added

 Depends on||137429


Referenced Bugs:

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[Bug 137429] Logic for showing the UI Picker dialog via Tip-of-the-Day
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   What|Removed |Added

 Depends on||137427


Referenced Bugs:

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[Bug 137427] UI Picker is not showing by default on first launch of each module
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[Bug 137424] UI Picker dialog missing 'Contextual single' UI mode
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[Bug 137423] Launch of the UI picker from Tip of the Day -- radio button UI
mode descriptions over top of dialog buttons
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--- Comment #48 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #46)
> Several issues:

Please file tickets. Think I can fix all myself.

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--- Comment #47 from V Stuart Foote  ---
Created attachment 166239
  --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=166239=edit
layout issues for UI picker dialog run from the Tip-of-the-Day

(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #46)

> 2) In the dialog layout, the descriptive text below the preview is being
> shifted too low and overlays the 'Close' button position. Packing issue?
> 

Sorry, not clear there. This mislayout occurs only when using the 'Run this
action now...' button from within the 'Tip or the Day' pop-up.

When run from the View menu or 'hamburger' the pop-up gets reasonable text
layout.

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--- Comment #46 from V Stuart Foote  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #45)
> (In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #44)
> > @Heiko, not sure pop-up dialog is plumbed correctly.
> 
> Be patient :-) (maybe tomorrow)

Version: 7.1.0.0.alpha0+ (x64)
Build ID: 75030b3a2d4336c494fbe799fb809a37ed7e582f
CPU threads: 4; OS: Windows 10.0 Build 19041; UI render: Skia/Vulkan; VCL: win
Locale: en-US (en_US); UI: en-US
Calc: threaded

both commits present. 

Several issues:

1) the Tip-of-Day 1/233 holding the pick an interface does not actually show on
launch new profile. Rather ToD start at 2/233 and you won't see tip again til
cycle through all the other tips. Or possible reset profile. Maybe the ToD
mechanism should not be the only mechanism--perhaps make use of the Infobar?

2) In the dialog layout, the descriptive text below the preview is being
shifted too low and overlays the 'Close' button position. Packing issue?

3) where is 'Contextual Single' mode? Missing what is actually the most
functional for use beside 'Standard Toolbar'

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--- Comment #45 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #44)
> @Heiko, not sure pop-up dialog is plumbed correctly.

Be patient :-) (maybe tomorrow)

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--- Comment #44 from V Stuart Foote  ---
(In reply to Commit Notification from comment #41)

> The patch should be included in the daily builds available at
> https://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/ in the next 24-48 hours. More
> information about daily builds can be found at:
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Testing_Daily_Builds
> 
> Affected users are encouraged to test the fix and report feedback.

Version: 7.1.0.0.alpha0+ (x64)
Build ID: 64ab07edee8eba531fd05cbc5d92315cc2855e92
CPU threads: 4; OS: Windows 10.0 Build 19041; UI render: Skia/Vulkan; VCL: win
Locale: en-US (en_US); UI: en-US
Calc: threaded

@Heiko, not sure pop-up dialog is plumbed correctly. Dialog is not presenting
in this build that has ed8df0e is applied--and still getting to old sub-menu,
expected as 7109b69 has not yet rolled.

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--- Comment #43 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to John Mills from comment #42)
> I just have a few questions, will there be a choice for every current UI or
> are some prioritised over others? If you present a user a choice of 7 UIs to
> choose from doesn't that just cause confusion?

You get the same list as with View > User Interface but in a dialog. The
experimental UIs are shown only when this option is enabled.

> Will the selection be on a per application basis? 

You can Apply  or Apply to All  (limited to
Writer, Calc, Impress, Draw since we do not have Notebookbars for all other).


I suggest to try the dialog. There is another patch that replaces the View > UI
submenu by the new dialog (easy to revert), limited to the classic main menu
(Notebookbars still have the submenu; all is customizable).

The patch adds also a new "Tip Of The Day" so new users will be presented with
this tip the first time they start LibreOffice. To try this you don't need to
press Next 100 times. Go to Tools > Options > Advanced > Expert Options, search
for LastTipOfTheDayID, double-click and set it to 222 (the last item, counted
up to 0 when the dialog is reshown).

Images both in this dialog and the thumbnail are a matter of improvement. It
can be done temporarily on the nightly build. The TipOfTheDay is at
share/tipoftheday/toolbarmode.png, the previews at share/toolbarmode/*.

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--- Comment #42 from John Mills  ---
Hi all,

I think that this is fantastic news, is there a screenshot or mock up about how
this will work? 

I just have a few questions, will there be a choice for every current UI or are
some prioritised over others? If you present a user a choice of 7 UIs to choose
from doesn't that just cause confusion?

Will the selection be on a per application basis? I ask as if it is not
couldn't we find ourselves in a situation where you might use the Tabbed
interlace in one application such as Writer and potentially the standard UI in
another, such as Calc, then not see the initial start dialogue again? I think
changing all supported applications to the same UI makes sense and reduces
confusion. Perhaps an additional dialogue could be made that gives the user the
option to change for all or only the current application?

Thank you all for this effort,

John

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--- Comment #41 from Commit Notification 
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Heiko Tietze committed a patch related to this issue.
It has been pushed to "master":

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Resolves tdf#117463 - Dialog to show UI options

It will be available in 7.1.0.

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--- Comment #40 from John Mills  ---

> What, no! Core tenant of MUFFIN is that it is entirely flexible. We've
> worked hard to make user customization of each LO module independent and
> stateful. A UI choice made in Writer should not impact a choice made in
> Calc. That would be a horrible outcome!

That's an interesting point and I really do see your logic there with the
flexibility and that is commendable, however do we have any data that people
use the interfaces differently across modules? 

I personally think that people like to have consistency across all of the
applications where at all possible. Hence why I suggested previously to have a
dialogue within the tip of the day that asks question about applying the same
interface across all modules. And if required set to no by default for the
reason you stated, however I think most users would want the same interface
everywhere and that is in their best interest to reduce confusion as the user
may well never see this UI tip of the day again and end up with the standard UI
in Calc but a Notebookbar UI in Writer. 


> Otherwise my suggestion to retain the View --> User Interface menu items
> would be the cleanest (and least disruptive) way to integrate any new "UI
> Picker..." dialog into common use.

To me that is the status quo and the whole reason why this request was made in
the first place, so that people would see the available UI choices and
flexibility in LibreOffice front and center. 

I feel that this is better accomplished with a specific first run 'wizard' like
choice, however if the same goal is reached with a 'tip of the day' dialogue
then that will have to suffice. 

Kind regards

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--- Comment #39 from V Stuart Foote  ---
(In reply to Pedro from comment #36)
> (In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #34)
> > (In reply to Pedro from comment #32)
> > > ...
> > > dialog without even reading it. It would be better to present a solution
> > > that would make the user have to choose an UI. 
> > > 
> > 
> > And that is exactly the 'in your face' dialog many would prefer to avoid.
> 
> Many as in you? I would be open to a suggestion from you that actually
> addresses the point instead of assuming a negative and contrarian point of
> view when you have a multitude of people pushing this.

I am only being pragmatic here. A pop-up dialog as an alternative to changing
the default UI to the broken Tabbed Notebook Bar for bug 135501. So sure.
However, there is no point to be made--other than it is a non-performant
"solution" to impose on the broader user community. Virtually all serious users
will make their UI choice--for each module--and be done with it. This UI picker
and the ill-conceived attempt to move onto a Notebook bar framework default UI
will not improve function of LibreOffice nor its UX. They are gimmicks aimed at
new "Benjamin" users, not functional UI. Don't misunderstand, the MUFFIN
Notebook Bar is excellent exercise in seeing where GLADE UI builder could take
our UNO based controls as a flexible/configurable UI. But the framework is
limited compared to fully instrumented Menu, Toolbar & Dialog UI as
supplemented by the Sidebar. 

Making the Notebook Bar into a comparably "functional" UI would require
uncountable investment in native code to reimplement/wrap UNO controls in
native APIs (both MS & Apples).

That is what these ill-convinced actions would be committing the project to.

So excuse me if I seem a little less enthusiastic about these initiative--I
just see them as all around bad for the project.

>  
> > No, the UI selection is made per-module and recorded to user profile. Eactly
> > as done now from the actions on the View -> User Interface menu.  The
> > Tip-of-the-Day framework dialog, or a full UI dialog frame would behave the
> > same.
> 
> 
> And that's why we are discussing here to change this. That is not user
> friendly. If an user selects the Tabbed UI once, he will assume that the
> choice will be for all modules. So I would say that the behaviour you
> describe should change to avoid the frustration of an user having to repeat
> the same action to select his preferred UI every time he opens a new module.

What, no! Core tenant of MUFFIN is that it is entirely flexible. We've worked
hard to make user customization of each LO module independent and stateful. A
UI choice made in Writer should not impact a choice made in Calc. That would be
a horrible outcome!

Otherwise my suggestion to retain the View --> User Interface menu items would
be the cleanest (and least disruptive) way to integrate any new "UI Picker..."
dialog into common use.

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--- Comment #38 from Pedro  ---
I am interested why it's such a problem now to have an "in-your-face" dialog
but this wasn't an issue for the tip of the day dialog. And this is arguably
much more useful and impactful for users and it highlights the work done by the
LibO design team. Why is that a problem again?

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--- Comment #37 from John Mills  ---
I am not entirely sure about what the negatives of an 'in your face dialogue'
are? Is it that we are making the end user 'uncomfortable' by providing them
the choice of how they interact with LibreOffice?

As part of the initial tip of the day dialogue would it be possible to have an
additional selection question along the lines of:

'Apply the UI choice to all supported LibreOffice Modules?'

Have a radio button for Yes and No, default it to no if needs be, however I
think it makes more sense that the selection the user makes is applied to all
of the supported modules for consistency and this updates the user profile
accordingly.

Kind regards



>  
> > No, the UI selection is made per-module and recorded to user profile. Eactly
> > as done now from the actions on the View -> User Interface menu.  The
> > Tip-of-the-Day framework dialog, or a full UI dialog frame would behave the
> > same.
> 
> 
> And that's why we are discussing here to change this. That is not user
> friendly. If an user selects the Tabbed UI once, he will assume that the
> choice will be for all modules. So I would say that the behaviour you
> describe should change to avoid the frustration of an user having to repeat
> the same action to select his preferred UI every time he opens a new module.

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--- Comment #36 from Pedro  ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #34)
> (In reply to Pedro from comment #32)
> > ...
> > dialog without even reading it. It would be better to present a solution
> > that would make the user have to choose an UI. 
> > 
> 
> And that is exactly the 'in your face' dialog many would prefer to avoid.

Many as in you? I would be open to a suggestion from you that actually
addresses the point instead of assuming a negative and contrarian point of view
when you have a multitude of people pushing this.

> No, the UI selection is made per-module and recorded to user profile. Eactly
> as done now from the actions on the View -> User Interface menu.  The
> Tip-of-the-Day framework dialog, or a full UI dialog frame would behave the
> same.


And that's why we are discussing here to change this. That is not user
friendly. If an user selects the Tabbed UI once, he will assume that the choice
will be for all modules. So I would say that the behaviour you describe should
change to avoid the frustration of an user having to repeat the same action to
select his preferred UI every time he opens a new module.

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--- Comment #35 from Rizal Muttaqin  ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #34)
> (In reply to Pedro from comment #32)
> > ...
> > dialog without even reading it. It would be better to present a solution
> > that would make the user have to choose an UI. 
> > 
> 
> And that is exactly the 'in your face' dialog many would prefer to avoid.

The point is, how we set the behaviour for ToTD? If we set it as a one time
only dialog at startup/first start (and of course per module as you state in
#c33), this will not be a 'in your face' disturbance. The problem with ToTD is
when one leave it (enable as the default), there's is possibility for user at
some point to disable it completely. So, we lose the chance for displaying it
in another untouched module. 

For example a new user ignore first ToTD message about chosing an UI and then
just open Writer in some days, and keep the ToTD shows up everytime he use
Writer but also the ToTD message will change to another topic. When he choose
to disable it in the third day, then we would make him/her unaware about UI
choice when opening a Calc sheet (and he/she was unaware for Writer also).

With that reason, first dialog UI has a benefit over ToTD.

My suggestion is to make the UI chooser dialog available at startup, other 

- Make the dialog re-accessible every time (to replace View > User Interface
menu).
- Improve the ToTD content about UI choice with may be an animated image. This
would benefit ToTD for other topic too

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--- Comment #34 from V Stuart Foote  ---
(In reply to Pedro from comment #32)
> ...
> dialog without even reading it. It would be better to present a solution
> that would make the user have to choose an UI. 
> 

And that is exactly the 'in your face' dialog many would prefer to avoid.

> So I would prefer to have further discussion instead of pushing through a
> change that many don't seem to entirely agree with.

(In reply to John Mills from comment #33)
> ...

> If I select to use the tabbed interface from the tip of the day dialogue, or
> any other notebook bar UI, will my selection carry over to the other
> applications in the office suite? My point being I select Tabbed in Writer
> will this then become the default in Calc, Impress,Draw etc? 
> 

No, the UI selection is made per-module and recorded to user profile. Eactly as
done now from the actions on the View -> User Interface menu.  The
Tip-of-the-Day framework dialog, or a full UI dialog frame would behave the
same.

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--- Comment #33 from John Mills  ---
Just a question to the 'tip of the day' notification. Will the tip of the day
message for changing the default UI be the first such tip that a user sees
after installation? This is critical.

If it is not then a number of people who do not like such tips and select to
not display them in the future will simply dismiss the first message, and then
the user will not know about the extended range of available UIs. This then
defeats the purpose of this dialogue.

If I select to use the tabbed interface from the tip of the day dialogue, or
any other notebook bar UI, will my selection carry over to the other
applications in the office suite? My point being I select Tabbed in Writer will
this then become the default in Calc, Impress,Draw etc? 

I agree with Pedro on this point.

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--- Comment #32 from Pedro  ---
I still think that the UI picker dialog should be presented at first start.
Showing it in the Tip of the day dialog is a poor replacement because when a
user starts a new module he will have to change the UI of that module again. 
And there's the issue that most people will just close the tip of the day
dialog without even reading it. It would be better to present a solution that
would make the user have to choose an UI. 

So I would prefer to have further discussion instead of pushing through a
change that many don't seem to entirely agree with.

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--- Comment #31 from V Stuart Foote  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #30)
> ... I suggest to remove the User Interface > * menu and show this
> User Interface... instead.

That would allow us to call the dialog at any time. But, kind of an in your
face exposure considering that now the View -> User Interface allows you an
immediate selection (including keyboard accelerators) per module.

So when placing on the View menu, just add it to the current User Interface sub
as a dialog with a suitable name, e.g. "UI picker..."  That seems least
disruptive and most friendly MUFFIN approach, and keeps the UI changes in
keyboard reach.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 117463] Create a Dialog that shows up on first boot of Writer/Calc/Impress for the user to pick its default UI

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 Status|REOPENED|ASSIGNED

--- Comment #30 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Patch at https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/99957 introduces a new tip of
the day and the ability to start a UNO command. This command shows a dialog
where the UI variants can be picked- much like the menu but without the need to
go through the structure and with a preview including a short description. I
suggest to remove the User Interface > * menu and show this User Interface...
instead.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 117463] Create a Dialog that shows up on first boot of Writer/Calc/Impress for the user to pick its default UI

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--- Comment #29 from John Mills  ---
Hi jan d,

Just on your statement:

>For me it hinges a bit on who is the target group for LO. If it is people who 
>are about open source software: Options and showing community efforts are 
>great.

> But if we assume we compete more with software for office workers who 
> otherwise use MSO or SoftMaker or WPS… Then I would go with the UX principle 
> of choosing a decent default options – since most people leave it as it is. 


The LibreOffice Next Decade manifesto:

https://www.documentfoundation.org/assets/Documents/tdf-manifesto.pdf

The very first point:

WE COMMIT OURSELVES:

'To eliminate the digital divide in society by giving everyone access to office
productivity tools free of charge to enable them to participate as full
citizens in the 21st century'

I don't see any other way that other than LibreOffice is targeted at typical
users of office software. No where in that manifesto can I see it saying that
this is targeted at open source 'activists' first. 

The wonderful thing about LibreOffice and FLOSS software in particular is that
is a great equalizer. From the poorest to richest the our rights are the same.
The document foundation provide a fantastic Office suite that respects user
freedoms and empowers them. 

That is critical, anything that enables this and encourages more users to break
away from proprietary software should be encouraged. I think a providing a user
interface similar to what > 90% of users interact with can only be a positive
step, it's a great starting point.

Note also the first value rejected.

'The ownership of office productivity tools by monopoly suppliers which imposes
a de-facto tax on global electronic free speech and penalises the economically
disadvantaged.'

LibreOffice competes for the poorest users against 'pirated' versions of
Microsoft Office. When a user has no inclination that something free
(libre/gratis)exists that respects them they become a prisoner. It is
insidious. 

Anyway I apologise if off topic, but I just wanted to make clear who could
benefit by this decision.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 117463] Create a Dialog that shows up on first boot of Writer/Calc/Impress for the user to pick its default UI

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117463

--- Comment #28 from jan d  ---
For me it hinges a bit on who is the target group for LO. If it is people who
are about open source software: Options and showing community efforts are
great. 

But if we assume we compete more with software for office workers who otherwise
use MSO or SoftMaker or WPS… Then I would go with the UX principle of choosing
a decent default options – since most people leave it as it is. 

If we decide that we need a selection, it should make clear what you get with
each option. SoftMakers select dialog is rather helpful here, as it shows two
screenshots for the menu and the ribbon-style UI, making the actions and its
results follow a principle of least surprise.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 117463] Create a Dialog that shows up on first boot of Writer/Calc/Impress for the user to pick its default UI

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117463

V Stuart Foote  changed:

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 Blocks||80430
 CC||libreoffice-ux-advise@lists
   ||.freedesktop.org
   Keywords||needsUXEval

--- Comment #27 from V Stuart Foote  ---
Grudgingly I recast position to +1, as alternative to changing default UI from
'Toolbar, Menu & Dialog' to one of the GLADE based MUFFIN Notebook Bar
assemblages.

As noted, the picker dialog per module would likely be light on detail--i.e.
TotD. Interested to see what Hieko mocks up. But the heavy lifting on MUFFIN
Notebook Bar documentation remains to be done.


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=80430
[Bug 80430] [META] Documentation gap for new features
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Pedro  changed:

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 Ever confirmed|0   |1
 Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED
 Resolution|WONTFIX |---

--- Comment #19 from Pedro  ---
As I mentioned. I am also in favor of this besides Rizal.
So it is 2 against 2. Furthermore, it's bad to decide about closing bugs in
meetings that not everyone can attend.

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Heiko Tietze  changed:

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 Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |WONTFIX

--- Comment #18 from Heiko Tietze  ---
* 2x con, 1x pro so far

* if we introduce another NB, ideally per extension, it won't show up on this
welcome dialog
* the UI choice is the least important for new users
* if we need to advertise per image we should consider a tab in tools > options
> view (and remove the menu option) plus have thumbnails with the envisioned
extensions

Resolving as WF.

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V Stuart Foote  changed:

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--- Comment #17 from V Stuart Foote  ---
Sorry, looks like the UX-advise ML was not added back when reopened.

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 117463] Create a Dialog that shows up on first boot of Writer/Calc/ Impress for the user to pick its default UI

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   Keywords|needsUXEval |
 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |tietze.he...@gmail.com
   |.freedesktop.org|
 Resolution|--- |WONTFIX

--- Comment #8 from Heiko Tietze  ---
I'm also in favor of more subtle solutions. The Notebookbar is not a
aesthetically thing, at least not primarily, where you decide once how the app
looks like but a way to accommodate to the use scenario. Writing a love letter
requires other functions then a thesis, for example.  And we make it easy to
switch with the prominent menu entry.

Nevertheless, interesting enhancement idea if we think about the larger
picture.

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--- Comment #7 from Xavier Van Wijmeersch  ---
Not a fan at all. Agree with WONTFIX

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--- Comment #6 from Pedro  ---
This doesn't have to be something to be developed for 6.1.
In fact, considering that the feature freeze is coming on May 21st I don't
think that's possible. I just want this to be open for discussion and potential
development for 6.2.

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--- Comment #5 from Samuel Mehrbrodt (CIB)  ---
Before we can prominently promote the Notebookbar, we need to implement the
missing features which are currently only in the classic toolbar.

Would also say wontfix, or at least blocked on those.

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V Stuart Foote  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Keywords||needsUXEval
 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW
 CC||libreoffice-ux-advise@lists
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   ||vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu
   See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda
   ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10
   ||2070
 Blocks||102062
 Ever confirmed|0   |1

--- Comment #4 from V Stuart Foote  ---

(In reply to Pedro from comment #0)
> 
> Considering that currently on the 6.1dev build, the Notebookbar is no longer
> experimental and there are several UI options to choose from it would be
> good to draw attention of the users to the different UI options they can
> choose from in LibreOffice.
> 

No, it is not out of Experimental mode...

> ...
> I propose that LO should prompt a dialog box at the first start-up after
> installation of each module with multiple UIs (Writer, Calc and Impress
> currently), to allow the user to easily change the UI without having to dig
> down into menus just like Softmaker and WPS Office do. Of course, that by
> doing this only polished UIs should be available in this dialog box at the
> beginning.

Not a fan. With work for bug 115131 we now have one combined menu action to
directly select-- View -> User Interface--seems adequate. Much as with see also
bug 102070 -- this type of in your face "guidance" for users is not effective
marketing or UX.

IHMO, see no reason for overhead of maintaining a Dialog to pick UI's on
initial profile setup and lots of opportunity for muddled profiles.

IMHO => WONTFIX


Referenced Bugs:

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[Bug 102062] [META] Notebookbar: bugs and enhancements
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