Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] page borders (bug 52327)

2012-09-05 Thread Daniel Mania

Hei hei!

For the first time since I work with LibreOffice, I tried to make Calc 
print what I want, instead of what Calc wants ... and the result is not 
very encouraging.
I have a document with 4 columns and 20 rows, that are smaller than my 
paper format A4. I'd like Calc to scale those cells to paper width, 
without me having to care about their actual size.
Playing with Print Ranges and Scaling mode could not get me there. 
The only thing that seemed to work was Reduce/enlarge printout and 
figuring out the right Scaling factor manually.

But there are two problems with this:
1) Scaling affects _everything_ and can lead to cell boarders 
disappearing (not on the screen but on the printout)
2) Manual adjustments are time consuming, especially for multiple 
documents with multiple sheets


So far, I only see page borders as the solution. The user has to 
format the content accordingly. And that is only possible when the page 
borders are _always_ visible.


Btw., in the page preview, the page format can be reached by clicking on 
a Format Page button, or right click Page Layout  Is there a 
reason why the same thing has two different names?


Greetings
nag-niel M
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Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] page borders (bug 52327)

2012-09-03 Thread Christina Roßmanith

Hi Regina,

to make sure we are talking about the same page borders: there are 
slightly thicker lines in normal view indicating what is printed on a 
page. But they appear only after print preview for a sheet was executed.


If the bug reporter confirmes that print preview works for him I'll 
close the bug with NOTABUG - any objections?


Christina
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Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] page borders (bug 52327)

2012-09-03 Thread Gérard Fargeot
Hi Christina,

I think reporter expect all sheets showing the page borders after print
preview.
He have only one sheet showing them because Print only selected sheets is
checked in Tools  Options  LO Calc , Print.

This option is checked by default.

I don't see a bug here unless he prefer this option not in default settings.

Gérard



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Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] page borders (bug 52327)

2012-09-03 Thread Regina Henschel

Hi Christina,

Christina Roßmanith schrieb:

Hi Regina,

to make sure we are talking about the same page borders: there are
slightly thicker lines in normal view indicating what is printed on a
page.


Ah, that are no page borders, but that are the lines for Automatik 
page break. Therefore I was so confused. The color of this lines can be 
set in Tools  Options  LibreOffice  Appearance, section Spreadsheet.


 But they appear only after print preview for a sheet was executed.

Yes, I can confirm, that they are not shown initially. After switching 
to Page Break Preview (in menu View) and back to Normal they are 
shown. Calling Page preview and closing will do the same, and calling 
page layout dialog and finish with OK or calling printing dialog as well.




If the bug reporter confirmes that print preview works for him I'll
close the bug with NOTABUG - any objections?


It is a bug (or a missing feature), that they are not shown immediately. 
But that behavior is not new. It is there at least since OOo1.1.5. So 
NOTABUG is not really true.


Another question is, whether you want to work on it. Because a lot of 
actions trigger this lines, the bug is not severe. In OOo-times there 
had been the large dump OOo later for such reports. You can confirm 
the issue and set it to a low importance, or immediately close it with 
WONTFIX. But WONTFIX sound always harsh for the reporter of the bug and 
might discourage him to help in LibreOffice, so I would not use it.


Kind regards
Regina
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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] page borders (bug 52327)

2012-09-02 Thread Christina Roßmanith

Hi,

I had a look at fdo52327 and have some questions:

1. Should page preview trigger the calculation of page borders?
2. If so, should it be a trigger for the current sheet only or for all 
sheets?


Christina Rossmanith
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Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] page borders (bug 52327)

2012-09-02 Thread Regina Henschel

Hi Christina,

Christina Roßmanith schrieb:

Hi,

I had a look at fdo52327 and have some questions:


It is not clear, what the submitter of the bug wants.

I guess, that he wants the page borders shown in normal view. But I 
think, that would be no good idea, because the layout of the page 
contains also header, footer, and background, and considers repeating 
rows and columns, scaling and a lot of other things.




1. Should page preview trigger the calculation of page borders?


Yes, because the page preview is the command .uno:PrintPreview and 
is intended to show how the sheet content is distributed to the page and 
what effects the page layout settings have.


Currently there is no problem in showing page borders. The borders are 
shown, as well as background or other settings of the page layout.



2. If so, should it be a trigger for the current sheet only or for all
sheets?


The page preview shows the print ranges of all selected sheets. So it 
needs to calculate the borders of the page layout of all selected sheets.


But I do not see any problem at all.

Kind regards
Regina




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