Re: FLOSS alternatives (was re:Campaign to boycott Facebook)
On Mon, 24 Feb 2020 14:11:29 -0500 LM wrote: > On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 Jim Garret wrote: > > From: Jim Garrett > > I also made the tactical choice to > > not for Free Software specifically, for which I'm sure many here > > will be disappointed. I generally do advocate for Free Software > > when I see an opportunity, but I felt the need to focus in this > > case, and can discuss software freedom in whatever follow-up > > conversations arise. > > I would be very interested to hear what alternatives there are to > various social media networks that are specifically Free/Libre > software based. I'd also be especially interested in what > alternatives work well with low resource or older hardware. Many of > the newer social media systems require the latest and greatest > browsers or other software that's complicated to build and isn't > always available for older systems. Forums like the Puppy Linux forum > try very hard to support older and low resource computers. Are there > other good examples of this sort of thing? With the recent issues > with Yahoo Groups, I investigated what free mailing list alternatives > were still available. I ran across a few options like > https://framalistes.org/sympa/ but I really could not find a lot of > options even when I looked at non-Free alternatives in this area. Has > anyone put together a list of FLOSS options for social media sites and > Internet methods of connecting with each other (whether they're web > 2.0 based or earlier concepts)? I'd appreciate hearing any > suggestions for FLOSS options for social media or suggestions for > resources where you could look up FLOSS options. Thanks. > > ___ > libreplanet-discuss mailing list > libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org > https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss You could check out https://switching.software/ as a start. I can't speak to resource requirements exactly, but I use an old Atom-based netbook with 2GB RAM so it's towards the low end. I have the sense that Friendica seems pretty lean. Mastodon seems to have more Web 2.0 elements, but I can run it with no particular problem. -Jim ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
FLOSS alternatives (was re:Campaign to boycott Facebook)
On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 Jim Garret wrote: > From: Jim Garrett > I also made the tactical choice to > not for Free Software specifically, for which I'm sure many here will > be disappointed. I generally do advocate for Free Software when I > see an opportunity, but I felt the need to focus in this case, and can > discuss software freedom in whatever follow-up conversations arise. I would be very interested to hear what alternatives there are to various social media networks that are specifically Free/Libre software based. I'd also be especially interested in what alternatives work well with low resource or older hardware. Many of the newer social media systems require the latest and greatest browsers or other software that's complicated to build and isn't always available for older systems. Forums like the Puppy Linux forum try very hard to support older and low resource computers. Are there other good examples of this sort of thing? With the recent issues with Yahoo Groups, I investigated what free mailing list alternatives were still available. I ran across a few options like https://framalistes.org/sympa/ but I really could not find a lot of options even when I looked at non-Free alternatives in this area. Has anyone put together a list of FLOSS options for social media sites and Internet methods of connecting with each other (whether they're web 2.0 based or earlier concepts)? I'd appreciate hearing any suggestions for FLOSS options for social media or suggestions for resources where you could look up FLOSS options. Thanks. ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: Campaign to boycott Facebook
>I also made the tactical choice to not for Free Software specifically, for which I'm sure many here will be disappointed. Although you likely need to use proprietary JS to sign up for a Facebook account at this point, if you have an account I think it's usable without proprietary software. There are plenty of reasons not to use Facebook and I don't, but you can be a speerfie and still use it/be used by it if you block proprietary JS or use a libre client. In short, rejecting Facebook isn't necessarily a free software issue to begin with so it's all good. Roberto Beltran https://libremiami.org/ ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: libreboot installfest at Libre Planet 2020
You could donate your ASUS KGPE-D16 to the FSF. Best, Michael McMahon | Web Developer, Free Software Foundation GPG Key: 4337 2794 C8AD D5CA 8FCF FA6C D037 59DA B600 E3C0 https://fsf.org | https://gnu.org On 2/23/20 1:43 PM, fischersfr...@sent.at wrote: > I had a computer based on ASUS KGPE-D16 that I never wound up using. > > Is anyone interested in playing with it if I bring it this year? > > Also, if would like to keep it? I would donate it to the right cause or > sell it at a discount. > > ___ > libreplanet-discuss mailing list > libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org > https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: Campaign to boycott Facebook
On 2020-02-24 01:03, Raymundo Vásquez Ruiz wrote: > Hello, > > On Monday, 24 de February de 2020 6:58, Aaron Wolf > wrote: > >> For anyone who won't leave FB, there's some value in specifically >> bringing anti-FB messages/warnings to the people who are there. If the >> only FB criticisms are outside FB, then they won't be seen by those who >> need them most. So, going to FB to criticize it is at least better than >> just using it normally. So, I'd suggest asking people to consider this >> approach (learn, warn others) if they won't otherwise leave. > > I'm not totally convinced by this argument. > What comes to my mind is the fact that the number of active users have a > direct impact on the monetization of the platform and even when you are a > disident you're still inside their ecosystem and therefore are targetable and > profitable. > Also, if I understand well, they are in total control of the posts and I > think that there's no guarantee that your ideas are being displayed in other > people's wall. > > I personally took a lot more effort into campaining against in real life > since I deleted my account and managed to convince at least other few people > :) > > Cheers, > Ray > Leaving is better, but if someone *doesn't* leave, they should at least focus on consciousness-raising there. They can do so in replies as well as posts. I agree that it's likely they overall bury anti-FB posts, but who knows, it's a black box. ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: Campaign to boycott Facebook
Hello, On Monday, 24 de February de 2020 6:58, Aaron Wolf wrote: > For anyone who won't leave FB, there's some value in specifically > bringing anti-FB messages/warnings to the people who are there. If the > only FB criticisms are outside FB, then they won't be seen by those who > need them most. So, going to FB to criticize it is at least better than > just using it normally. So, I'd suggest asking people to consider this > approach (learn, warn others) if they won't otherwise leave. I'm not totally convinced by this argument. What comes to my mind is the fact that the number of active users have a direct impact on the monetization of the platform and even when you are a disident you're still inside their ecosystem and therefore are targetable and profitable. Also, if I understand well, they are in total control of the posts and I think that there's no guarantee that your ideas are being displayed in other people's wall. I personally took a lot more effort into campaining against in real life since I deleted my account and managed to convince at least other few people :) Cheers, Ray ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: libreboot installfest at Libre Planet 2020
I had a computer based on ASUS KGPE-D16 that I never wound up using. Is anyone interested in playing with it if I bring it this year? Also, if would like to keep it? I would donate it to the right cause or sell it at a discount. ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: Campaign to boycott Facebook
Hi Jim: I think your point is very important. Day to day, not only inside of digital social networks, but in television/radio/newspapers that probably happens as well. Perhaps digital social networks have democratized social networking but regulating content is always tricky. Maybe inside that network or any other network anybody can potentially be the biggest leader/influencer (time/workforce resources aside). It is up to us in last instance to determine our trusting entities. Of course too much noise makes that more difficult. Cheers, Héctor Espinoza On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 4:38 PM Jim Garrett <[1]jimgarr...@posteo.net> wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I've always counseled friends to leave Facebook, when the conversation > was feasible or potentially fruitful, but hearing recently that author > Stephen King has left Facebook due to FB's policy to allow factually > incorrect political advertisements, I realized just how this threatens > US democracy (and possibly democracy in other countries as well): > (1) the Trump campaign has at least 500M dollars, and (2) Trump has no > compunction against disgorging a stream of lies with no concern for > discourse. I'm envisioning what is technically called a s**tstorm that > will cause chaos and simply overwhelm discourse. > > I'm calling out to my friends to ask them to boycott, and I'm > suggesting they preserve their Facebook community by organizing > transitions to alternatives. I suggest Friendica and Mastodon as > specific alternatives. > > I've written my missive in blog form here: > > [2]https://internetperdition.wordpress.com/2020/02/22/boycott-facebook- for-real-this-time-to-save-our-democracy/ > > Please consider reaching out to your friends and colleagues similarly. > Feel free to point them to my blog, create your own version, or > proceed however makes sense to you. > > I think this is a special time. Facebook has always been > reprehensible, but now they've made one additional error that most > people find particularly hard to swallow: they forbid incorrect medical > ads because "they could cause harm", but not incorrect political ads. > It follows that Facebook believes that political ads don't cause harm. > > Admittedly, my post is US-centric. I also made the tactical choice to > not for Free Software specifically, for which I'm sure many here will > be disappointed. I generally do advocate for Free Software when I > see an opportunity, but I felt the need to focus in this case, and can > discuss software freedom in whatever follow-up conversations arise. > > Thanks for acting in whatever way you can! > > Jim Garrett > > ___ > libreplanet-discuss mailing list > [3]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org > [4]https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss References 1. mailto:jimgarr...@posteo.net 2. https://internetperdition.wordpress.com/2020/02/22/boycott-facebook-for-real-this-time-to-save-our-democracy/ 3. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org 4. https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
