0G: Escaping the Surveillance Black Hole

[quiliro]

I cannot see Alexandre Oliva's talk about 0G and espaping the
surveillance black hole http://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/blogs/lxo/pub/0G in
the LP 2020 program https://libreplanet.org/2020/program/

It is weird to see that the President in charge of FSF currently is not
going to talk at Libre Planet 2020. Is anybody else thinking the same
things that I am?

Happy hacking!

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Re: Campaign to boycott Facebook

[Aaron Wolf]

On 2020-02-24 23:16, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:
> Aaron Wolf, 24/02/20 17:55:
>> Leaving is better, but if someone*doesn't*  leave, they should at least
>> focus on consciousness-raising there. They can do so in replies as well
>> as posts. 
> 
> Comments may be good, I agree. For instance you can comment when
> somebody makes an announcement or opens a conversation which excludes
> people who don't use Facebook, pointing out the problems. You can also
> comment on posts which violate copyleft, which are plenty:
> . On the
> other hand it's difficult to do this while claiming you're not on Facebook.
> 
> Never comment on misleading posts or posts you disagree with, because
> activity and controversy make them more visible.
> 
>> I agree that it's likely they overall bury anti-FB posts, but
>> who knows, it's a black box.
> 
> There was some report about this in the last few months from a former
> employee, claiming there was a permanent monitoring of posts with the
> word "Facebook" in them, and not just to listen to feedback. I couldn't
> find the exact source though:
> 
> 

Please if anyone can find that, I would really like to see it, and it
would be great to add a citation to Wikipedia.

I've presumed that the only option is to tell people to do things like
hint at the topic without using the words "Facebook".

Anyway, it's indeed a losing battle to try to fight on their terf. But
I'd still rather the people there be dissidents than just be passive and
still using it.

> 
> Federico


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Re: Campaign to boycott Facebook

[Caleb Herbert]

On 2/24/20 1:19 PM, Roberto Beltran via libreplanet-discuss wrote:
> Although you likely need to use proprietary JS to sign up for a Facebook 
> account at this point, if you have an account I think it's usable without 
> proprietary software.

Last time I tried to log in, it was shut down.  They thought I was
violating their policy, just because I only gave them the bare minimum
of required information.

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Re: Campaign to boycott Facebook

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Aaron Wolf, 24/02/20 17:55:

Leaving is better, but if someone*doesn't*  leave, they should at least
focus on consciousness-raising there. They can do so in replies as well
as posts. 


Comments may be good, I agree. For instance you can comment when 
somebody makes an announcement or opens a conversation which excludes 
people who don't use Facebook, pointing out the problems. You can also 
comment on posts which violate copyleft, which are plenty: 
. On the 
other hand it's difficult to do this while claiming you're not on Facebook.


Never comment on misleading posts or posts you disagree with, because 
activity and controversy make them more visible.



I agree that it's likely they overall bury anti-FB posts, but
who knows, it's a black box.


There was some report about this in the last few months from a former 
employee, claiming there was a permanent monitoring of posts with the 
word "Facebook" in them, and not just to listen to feedback. I couldn't 
find the exact source though:



Federico

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Re: FLOSS alternatives (was re:Campaign to boycott Facebook)

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

LM, 24/02/20 21:11:

With the recent issues
with Yahoo Groups, I investigated what free mailing list alternatives
were still available.  I ran across a few options like
https://framalistes.org/sympa/  but I really could not find a lot of
options even when I looked at non-Free alternatives in this area.


Sounds like you want https://mobilizon.org/ , the test instance has been 
made available recently: https://test.mobilizon.org/


In general, have you checked https://degooglisons-internet.org/ and 
https://contributopia.org/ plus https://sandstorm.io/ too?


For small mailing lists it's not that complicated to find an existing 
mailman instance to join, unless the topic of your group is very 
peculiar. If you don't need as many features or as right an integration 
with email workflows, for a new group I guess nowadays you'd probably 
end up on a hosted Discourse forum or something of the sort. Finally, a 
lot of people have unlearnt asynchronous communication, so instant 
messaging is all the rage; there are various good solutions for that.


Federico

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