Re: [OT] Blind people, advocates slam company claiming to make websites ADA compliant
Il 24/05/21 22:23, quil...@riseup.net ha scritto: Reference #18.176727b5.1621884113.6ce7ff7a That's a typical Akamai error, famously served to every Tor user for instance. https://gitlab.torproject.org/legacy/trac/-/wikis/org/doc/ListOfServicesBlockingTor#Akamai Federico ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: list moderation [was: media.libreplanet.org non-requested confusing auto download issue]
On 210524-08:47-0500, quil...@riseup.net wrote: > Greg Farough writes: > > On Sat, May 08 2021, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > > > >> Hi! See below when I sent the message! At the time of > >> sending it does not appear on: > >> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2021-05/index.html > >> I.e. I sent it more than 15 hours ago. > > > > We actually manually approve every message that comes through > > libreplanet-discuss. They won't appear in the archives or on the list > > until we approve them, hence the delay. > > Wow! This seems a rather laborious and unnecessary task. Automatic > functions need to be censored to do what users desire. Why would users > need to be censored? Organizational objectives and peer union are > enough to control trolls. Well, if you look up: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2021-05/msg00081.html where I ask: BTW, I didn't send my two email to Leah only, but to the list. How come then Leah's reply: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2021-05/msg00077.html is there, but neither of my emails is? However, now they are, use the thread view: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2021-05/threads.html#00079 It's because a dev like Leah gets complete trust, but my emails need to be read first. That's fine, only I didn't understand it at first. And so I asked. This method is laborious, but it might be very honest, esp. wrt what some other groups, and not so unknown, are doing... There are even places, fora, ML where you are told about backward moderation (or somesuch, I may not remember the exact term). What they do is let your message appear, but later, even much later, rearrange the whole thread, and remove the messages they do not agree with. Your public image can get really distorted. Sadly, moderation may be necessary, for reasons of spam, real hate speech, unwarranted attacks, publication of libelous data or personal private data, and other things, but the *backlog moderation* (yeah, I remember that's been the exact term) is insane. Sometimes it amounts to soft-killing of a persons image. Regards! -- Miroslav Rovis Zagreb, Croatia https://www.CroatiaFidelis.hr my PGP-key: https://www.croatiafidelis.hr/FCF13245ED247DCE443855B7EA9884884FBAF0AE.asc signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: list moderation [was: media.libreplanet.org non-requested confusing auto download issue]
* quil...@riseup.net [2021-05-24 18:09]: > Greg Farough writes: > > On Sat, May 08 2021, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > > > >> Hi! See below when I sent the message! At the time of > >> sending it does not appear on: > >> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2021-05/index.html > >> I.e. I sent it more than 15 hours ago. > > > > We actually manually approve every message that comes through > > libreplanet-discuss. They won't appear in the archives or on the list > > until we approve them, hence the delay. > > Wow! This seems a rather laborious and unnecessary task. Automatic > functions need to be censored to do what users desire. Why would users > need to be censored? Organizational objectives and peer union are > enough to control trolls. It is not bad to manually approve each message. But then, the resource, like money, food, office, staff that does the manual approval has to be in place to timely handle messages. Manual approvial is not necessary censorship. But often it may be misconstrued as such. Better than manual approval is moderation where moderator takes care of discussion topics and directions where discussions should go. Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns Sign an open letter in support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/ ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: Blind user complaining on Adobe web site
* quil...@riseup.net [2021-05-24 16:12]: > I doubt that a sight impairment issue can be solved by a window manager > or by graphics. What I think that a computer which is friendly to blind > users should do is get information (local or external) and interpret it > in braile or in sound. The input side is quite solved, as of > nowadays. Those applications have to be developed. I am all for that development, but I do not have resources to do it myself. I can make my program here talk and give information to user, in fact I think my dynamic knowledge repository can be easier used by blind people then the common software as browsing withing information is so straightforward. There are countries, organizations, etc, they promote and support accessibility, so they shall put funds and organize projects and people will make it. Emacs is supporting both console and GUI, so it works anyhow. In the same way both console and GUI could already have its OS built-in readers and displays that help accessibility. I don't think that should be problem of high level programmer. It is problem on the OS level, if Linux/BSD/other free kernel does not have accessibility features that is the place to start. Text as fundamental element should not be on higher level, it should always be "text" even if displayed in different fonts or by different graphics, or by different window management system. If it is displayed by Wayland or by X Window system, it should go through kernel api that would process that text. If all the text is processed by the base system then it becomes easier to implement OS based interfaces. -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns Sign an open letter in support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/ ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: Libreboot 20210522 released
On 210523-05:49+0100, Leah Rowe wrote: > > On 23/05/2021 05:43, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > > > > > Downloaded. But: > > > check the download page again. it's a new key, and i don't think i actually > uploaded it to any key servers. Would probably be still not really useful... It's the general hassle these days, because of the attitude of the devs of GnuPG... A known issue... Sad that it is so for months and months if not a year or more already now. > the new lbkey.asc is now linked, on the libreboot download page I'm glad it is so now! However, I read you docs, and I wonder if my MBO might be supported some day: Gigabyte B550 Aorus Pro AC The new AMD B550 chipset, since some time last year. I amd doing video editing and I wonder if libre software will ever be financially feasible to me without sacrificing editing speed, especially with the likely codecs of tomorrow: AV1, which is merciless in terms of time and resources consumption on anything but very powerful machines. And so, being in addition on a really tight budget, I couldn't go for fully libre software. Sincere regards! - BTW, I didn't send my two email to Leah only, but to the list. How come then Leah's reply: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2021-05/msg00077.html is there, but neither of my emails is? -- Miroslav Rovis Zagreb, Croatia https://www.CroatiaFidelis.hr my PGP-key: https://www.croatiafidelis.hr/FCF13245ED247DCE443855B7EA9884884FBAF0AE.asc signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
list moderation [was: media.libreplanet.org non-requested confusing auto download issue]
Greg Farough writes: > On Sat, May 08 2021, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > >> Hi! See below when I sent the message! At the time of >> sending it does not appear on: >> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2021-05/index.html >> I.e. I sent it more than 15 hours ago. > > We actually manually approve every message that comes through > libreplanet-discuss. They won't appear in the archives or on the list > until we approve them, hence the delay. Wow! This seems a rather laborious and unnecessary task. Automatic functions need to be censored to do what users desire. Why would users need to be censored? Organizational objectives and peer union are enough to control trolls. ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: Libreboot 20210522 released
On 210523-02:44+0100, Leah Rowe via libreplanet-discuss wrote: > > Hi everyone! > > Libreboot is free (as in freedom) boot firmware, which initializes the > hardware (e.g. memory controller, CPU, peripherals) in your computer so that > software can run. Libreboot then starts a bootloader to load your operating > system. It replaces the proprietary BIOS/UEFI firmware typically found on a > computer. Libreboot is compatible with specifical computer models that use > the Intel/AMD x86 architecture. Libreboot works well with GNU+Linux and BSD > operating systems. > > You can find the new release announcement here: > > https://libreboot.org/news/libreboot20210522.html Downloaded. But: $ gpg --recv-key 98CCDDF8E56047F475C044BDD0C62464FA8B4856 gpg: key D0C62464FA8B4856: new key but contains no user ID - skipped gpg: Total number processed: 1 gpg: w/o user IDs: 1 $ can't import functionally the key. Where's the PGP-key to download? Can you put a link to get the key on https://libreboot.org/news/libreboot20210522.html somewhere (no string PGP to be found there)? Regards! -- Miroslav Rovis Zagreb, Croatia https://www.CroatiaFidelis.hr my PGP-key: https://www.croatiafidelis.hr/FCF13245ED247DCE443855B7EA9884884FBAF0AE.asc signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: media.libreplanet.org non-requested confusing auto download issue
Jean Louis writes: > From GNU GPL 3: > > , > | All other non-permissive additional terms are considered "further > | restrictions" within the meaning of section 10. If the Program as you > | received it, or any part of it, contains a notice stating that it is > | governed by this License along with a term that is a further > | restriction, you may remove that term. If a license document contains > | a further restriction but permits relicensing or conveying under this > | License, you may add to a covered work material governed by the terms > | of that license document, provided that the further restriction does > | not survive such relicensing or conveying. > ` > > So we can safely ignore such restrictions. > > Additionally author license it under 2 licenses: > https://avideo.tube/AVideo_OpenSource#OSAV > > Where one is not compatible to GNU GPL, as CDDL license says "that > Source Code form must be distributed only under the terms of this > License". > > Users should not care as GNU GPL does allow to remove such further > restrictions right away. That is great! No wonder Linus Torvalds fears version 3 of GPL so much. ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: Blind user complaining on Adobe web site
I doubt that a sight impairment issue can be solved by a window manager or by graphics. What I think that a computer which is friendly to blind users should do is get information (local or external) and interpret it in braile or in sound. The input side is quite solved, as of nowadays. ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: Web Application, how?
* Yasuaki Kudo [2021-05-22 06:03]: > And I think it's also about taking back control. Today, for the majority, > accessing the web means using Google Chrome and myriad of unknown Javascript > that makes even software license practically irrelevant, accountability is > none and blank check is given to the web sites/applications. > > For many applications, It might be the time consider adopting CUI You can use Emacs. I use Emacs to manage what you are talking. It works CUI, GUI, it can invoke external GUI, it can even serve HTTP, and connect to databases. ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
