Re: RYF can, and should, be improved
Well, maybe those users will just stick with proprietary firmware if not allowed to 'create a setup that is less free than the default one in osboot'. sadly not everyone agrees with the ideas of free software (and probably the ideas of free software is currently still not accepted by the majority of the world). Maybe it's better to attract more users than just let them stick with proprietary firmwares. The point might be not to 'encourage' people to use more proprietary stuff, and not to consider proprietary stuff as a 'positive' thing. >On 1/6/22 13:40, F锟斤拷licien Pillot wrote: >> However I'm not comfortable with this argument from >> https://osboot.org/news/policy.html#configuration : >>> It锟斤拷s natural that the user may want to create a setup that is less >>> free than the default one in osboot. This is perfectly acceptable; >>> freedom is superior, and should be encouraged, but the user锟斤拷s freedom >>> to choose should also be respected, and accomodated. >> Saying that, you go in the opposite way the FSDG does: it looks like >> you're ok with distributing non-free software, just in case if the user >> would like it better... I know we aren't talking about software, but >> this distinction is not clear for everyone (including me). Anyway, the >> word "accomodated" can be a source of debate. ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: [FSFLA] LibreJam - FSF* should host a Libre Game development tournament!
On 06/Jan/2022 23:21, Richard Stallman wrote: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > It sounds like game jams have value for education in programming, but > do they have value for the free software movement, enough for free > software activists to dedicate time to them for the sake of that? > > Can the people who want to do a game jam for free software think up a way > to make it educate about free software as well as about programming? > > I don't have answers for those questions, but I think they are the > crucial questions to pose. People who value free software would publish their games as free software... Why don't we have so many games then? It isn't just because people care, it's because some people who care can write code (sometimes), and in the end, if you're successful at making free software important to mainstream, it becomes a tiny subset of people, which might become unhappy because they're underapreciated and they share very little with the non-technical folks. Richard, I think we discussed that before, maybe I can articulate better this time; do you remember that group you "inspired" in Uruguay? how much do you think it lasted? a couple weeks. The landscape isn't uniform, software developers are different among themselves, so you need to sort them by interests and have a different approach based on that. Most people developing games are motivated by the prospects of: either just being able to make a living as game developers, or worse, of making more money as game developers than in their current day job. But don't take my word, make a poll or something and see for yourself. ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: LibreJam - FSF* should host a Libre Game development tournament!
Hi! On Friday, January 7, 2022 5:21:10 AM CET Richard Stallman wrote: > It sounds like game jams have value for education in programming, but > do they have value for the free software movement, It depends. It is a fun way to introduce people to programming and if we introduce people to Free Software right away, that may have benefits. In my experience, though, a lot of participants are already programmers though and they participate for the challenge. Most programmers have also heard about Free Software before (at least in my experience), so in that case, the benefit may be limited to reminding them that Free Software is important and possibly showing them how to properly license their repositories. Because often times, they do publish the source code of those games anyway, it just lacks proper licensing because they don't want to bother with that. > enough for free software activists to dedicate time to them for the sake of > that? I cannot judge that and I think a lot of what we do is trial and error. So this might be worth trying. Personally, I have taken a different approach to game jams. For example the Global Game Jam is a distributed event with many different local organizers. I have been involved with one in the past and helped set up a sample repository that participants could use and that repository had information on proper licensing and recommended the GNU AGPL3+ as a license. That way, people were nudged in the right direction with little effort. Another step further would be to convince a local organizer to only accept Free Software submissions. One futher note because the question of (prize) money has come up: I don't see money as the main motivation for participants, so I wouldn't worry about that. My impression is that most games from a game jam are not commercially successful anyway and people mainly have fun writing something together. So I wouldn't worry about offsetting any potential income from those games because the majority of them wouldn't make money anyway. Happy hacking! Florian ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: LibreJam - FSF* should host a Libre Game development tournament!
On 07/01/2022 04:21, Richard Stallman wrote: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] It sounds like game jams have value for education in programming, but do they have value for the free software movement, enough for free software activists to dedicate time to them for the sake of that? Can the people who want to do a game jam for free software think up a way to make it educate about free software as well as about programming? I don't have answers for those questions, but I think they are the crucial questions to pose. I would guess just using free software to make the games is a start, we can then have discussions about software licensing generally but include the four freedoms within that discussion. Also have discussions as to what happens if we need a component that is non free, how doing that ends up tying us in to a situation where if that component changes, our game may no longer compile or work properly. So this gives a practical example of the problems people face. How do we work round that, make games that interact with say the free software drivers/firmware, so we may sacrifice some game features but we can enhance other features. How can we write games to make money if they are written under a free software license could be a question we get.? Another example could be that software is available on wider hardware due to the source code being available, and the fact we have the freedom to port (which probably requires modification before recompiling) Raspberry Pi is available to lots of people, so while some parts may be non free, lets get people in that way too, work around the issues and campaign - support truly free hardware - which brings me on to:- Also with the rise of RiscV and other open processors ( I am not very good with the vocabulary here, sorry) isn't there a chance we may actually get some truly RYF hardware? We are going to need developers for that at some point, Core/Libreboot will probably form oart of any systems using those CPUs so again those projects need developers. What about games for pinephones, pine tablets and the pinebooks, it seems there are several operating systems and programs are not ported to all of them, example the Mastodon apps. If we want to build a game for free software systems, how can we target as many systems as possible easily? So writing games, will teach people skills they can use elsewhere too. Lets do more brainstorming on this. Paul -- -- Paul Sutton, Cert Cont Sci (Open) https://personaljournal.ca/paulsutton/ Pronoun : him/his/he OpenPGP : 4350 91C4 C8FB 681B 23A6 7944 8EA9 1B51 E27E 3D99 OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
