Re: thank you elon musk
* Paul Sutton via libreplanet-discuss [2022-04-27 09:38]: > > > On 26/04/2022 20:38, Adrienne G. Thompson wrote: > > Hi Thomas: > > > > If the FSF is not now going very hard on promoting Mastadon, > > they should never be trusted to anything right again. > > > > Why take such a negative approach? Why not, instead, propose a campaign > > to promote Mastodon? We are here to support the Free Software Movement > > - a movement that relies on contributions beyond code. > > Adrienne G. Thompson > > Principal and Chief Code Artist, GNU C-Graph Promoting Mastodon means promoting to users to install their own instances and decentralize social network. Decentralized social networks like Mastodon, Pleroma, Pixelfeed, PeerTube, Friendica, Lemmy, WriteFreely, Funkwhale, Mobilizon, BookWyrm -- are all part of it. Join the Fediverse https://joinfediverse.wiki/Main_Page Don't promote single software, promote decentralized social networks. > I agree here, Mastodon does need content, Then maybe you do not understand the difference between software and the instance. Mastodon is just software, by itself it has no "content". Interaction with users is what creates content. There are many Mastodon instances of software installed, and it does not make sense to say "Mastodon" needs content, not for me who knows that there are so many people already participating every day. > it has that to a point as I subscribe to feeds from Sciencedaily for > example, but few people interact. As far as I am aware people not > exactly have long conversations on twitter either. It may not be the same experience as on Twitter -- but still is far far from saying that there is nothing on Mastodon. I have found friends through decentralized networks, and one can interact for hours and hours, discuss those issues not important at all like cuddling with cats, or politics, or important other issues. > As a platform, or set of platforms they can't move forward unless > people say what they want, and help promote. It is automatic. I see many instances running. > I tend to avoid mastodon, as there are more people on there who seem to be > anti vaccination, anti science and racist, so it doesn't help me, Again, "to avoid Mastodon" would mean you are avoiding specific software installed on all instances. Does that mean you prefer Friendica or Pleroma? But that is not what you are talking about, you are talking about your personal account on specific instance, which is unrelated to Mastodon as software even if it runs such software. You are talking about your choice of friends with whom you interact. Mastodon as software has nothing related to people's opinions on vaccination, science or racism. You have got it wrong. Either you don't understand what is single instance or you don't express yourself correctly. Additionally, when you interact with people, they may be writing you from quite different instance of software such as Pleroma, and you may not know it. > Free software is just as much about the community of developers, users, > creators etc as it is about the fsf, who,among other things are trying to > also enforce our licenses when they are infringed, something individual > users can't do easily. Actually not, FSF may give advise on enforcement, but they may enforce only those infringements that are related to FSF, where FSF have copyrights, and not where other authors have copyrights. Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/ ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
About GNU Social and FSF/GNU Project influence since 10 years
* Jacob Hrbek [2022-04-26 23:49]: > I second that, what's so difficult on making a blog post for people to > spread across social media so that people leaving twitter know about libre > alternatives? The only wrong thing is that you post that without knowing that it was the FSF and GNU project who promoted decentralized WWW social networks similar to Twitter. So please research better, stop the rumors, and publishing whatever uncertainties without research. GNU social https://www.gnu.org/software/social/ GNU social — a free software social networking platform https://gnusocial.network/ GNU Network Services https://gnu.io/ Now is how long time already? Almost 10 years -- and you come up with information how FSF is doing nothing. The rolling stone effect is there, as after GNU Social many other ActivityPub (standard) based software followed, and many free software activists contributed to it. Now, the decentralized network is developing by momentum and by people who already know the cause. The FSF and GNU Project initiative worked well and gave excellent results. People promote their instances and other people follow. Thus it works well. You are also free to promote how to install Pleroma or Mastodon or GNU Social instances. From my side: https://gnusocial.club and https://pleroma.gnusocial.club -- so watch how it works. Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/ ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: thank you elon musk
You know, 'twitter' seems to be about tweeting or speaking, whatever that comes to your mind. Can we have some kind of a reverse system that is more about listening and discovery? Finding out what matters to people, who are allied with your current state of thinking, etc. I think this is also related to effective homepages and search engines - can we have homepage systems that are integrated with the accompanying search engines, so that we maximize our chances of understanding what others have in mind?Rather than just HTML, we make the whole thing built up from the ground so that content will be discovered and understood by interested parties. To function properly, this kind of system will have no advertisement or any form of influence or control, as that will add noise and make the system less effective. It might be more compatible with federalism and democracy. 😄 As far as the buyout is concerned, my hunch is twitter is an uninteresting platform and billionaires can spend as much money as they wish as their latest vanity project - its relevance on society seems minimal? -Yasu > On Apr 27, 2022, at 15:36, Paul Sutton via libreplanet-discuss > wrote: > > > >> On 26/04/2022 20:38, Adrienne G. Thompson wrote: >>Hi Thomas: >> If the FSF is not now going very hard on promoting Mastadon, >> they should never be trusted to anything right again. >>Why take such a negative approach? Why not, instead, propose a campaign >>to promote Mastodon? We are here to support the Free Software Movement >>- a movement that relies on contributions beyond code. >>Adrienne G. Thompson >>Principal and Chief Code Artist, GNU C-Graph > > I agree here, Mastodon does need content, it has that to a point as I > subscribe to feeds from Sciencedaily for example, but few people interact. > As far as I am aware people not exactly have long conversations on twitter > either. > > There are several forums set up to facilitate discussions on how the > fediverse can move forward, I am part of both. > > https://fediverse.town/ > https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/ > > As a platform, or set of platforms they can't move forward unless people > say what they want, and help promote. > > we need to perhaps coordinate efforts so a post from the fsf is boosted by > the community, for example. but not over a period of wees but days or > hours in some cases. > > I tend to avoid mastodon, as there are more people on there who seem to be > anti vaccination, anti science and racist, so it doesn't help me, > > Free software is just as much about the community of developers, users, > creators etc as it is about the fsf, who,among other things are trying to > also enforce our licenses when they are infringed, something individual > users can't do easily. > > Paul > ___ > libreplanet-discuss mailing list > libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org > https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss OpenPGP_signature Description: Binary data ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: thank you elon musk
* Thomas Lord [2022-04-26 23:50]: > My tone is harsh because of decades of the FSF doing less and less > of value in line with its mission. Your statements only bring uncertainties. It seems there is no research from your side. On what criteria are you basing such statements? Did you maybe review financial statements? If no -- how are you analyzing things? Is it maybe just by reaction? Like you think of something, and react badly, and that is your analysis? How does it work on your side? Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/ ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: thank you elon musk
* Thomas Lord [2022-04-26 21:21]: > > Why is this hard? > > A lot of serious people are now looking for an exit from twitter. > > The ones I see are asking about Mastadon. > > The FSF front page is a bunch of dust stuff about libreplanet, > and they evince no concerted, organized activity to stand up > instances and education materials -- to move people to Mastadon. It was the GNU project with the FSF that initiated promotion of decentralized and free software social networks with GNU Social. GNU social https://www.gnu.org/software/social/ GNU social — a free software social networking platform https://gnusocial.network/ Mastodon followed thereafter, and it is not the only software under same standard. Look at Pleroma: Pleroma / pleroma · GitLab https://git.pleroma.social/pleroma/pleroma And that is good effect, the rolling ball effect, and it is due to FSF and GNU Project. > Why else do they exist? It is not enough to "have a position" > on twitter. Get to the barricades. It is already so, and people are opening instances. Mastodon is not GNU or FSF project but is result of the initiatives as given by FSF and GNU -- and initiatives are obviously successful. Please give credits where due. Research the history of decentralized Twitter-like software. > I have long been troubled that FSF has devolved to the kind of > NPO that exists mainly to provide jobs for the people who > operate it, and not to serve a useful social function. Please, minimize that kind of rumors. I can't even take you seriously. Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/ ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
