Re: What search engine best at "Freedom-Respecting"?
Hi, I use searx. There are several public instances, but you can also run your own instance. -Robert ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
FSF Dirty Typewriter Font
Greetings Fellow Freedom Fighters, Can anyone verify for me the font that is used for the official FSF logo? My recollection is that it was named "Dirty Typewriter" but I couldn't find it on the FSF nor GNU.org websites. I did find GNU Typewriter [1]GNUTypewriter (fontlibrary.org) which looks similar, but I'm not certain it is the same or not. Yours in liberation, Jim Fulner Promoting Freed Minds, Freed Markets and Free Software and whenever possible Free Beer "For as long as one of your brothers is not free, none of you are free" 586-473-7007 Follow me [2]@f...@libranet.de on [3]#Friendica the world's best poly-centric social media platform, or from anywhere else on the [4]#Fediverse. Aren't you tired of big government backed corporations managing your social interactions? This Free message sent via a Free SMTP server running the Free Operating System GNU/Linux [5]www.fsf.org References 1. https://fontlibrary.org/en/font/gnutypewriter 2. https://librandet.de/profile/fu 3. https://friendi.ca/ 4. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fediverse 5. https://www.fsf.org/ ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Parlement
Greetings, I was just looking through the Free Software directory looking for something my comrades and I can use to more quickly and accurately complete our democratic process. I found this [1]https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Parlement Which sounds exactly like what I would want, but the links there are dead. Anyone familiar with more up-to-date information on the project, or perhaps a similar project? Sent from my Smartphone please dismiss no-so-smart-typos References 1. https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Parlement ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: Happy 69th Birthday to Richard Stallman
Happy Birthday, Dr. Stallman! On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 1:01 PM Brandon Pribula <[1]b.prib...@gmail.com> wrote: Happy birthday, Richard. I hope you have a great day. ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list [2]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org [3]https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discus s -- Robert L. Read, PhD Twitter: @RobertLeeRead @pubinvention Public Invention: [4]https://www.pubinv.org Join Our Mailing list: [5]pub...@googlegroups.com YouTube: [6]https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJQg_dkDY3KTP1ybugYwReg Medium: [7]https://medium.com/@RobertLeeRead References 1. mailto:b.prib...@gmail.com 2. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org 3. https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss 4. https://www.pubinv.org/ 5. mailto:pub...@googlegroups.com 6. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJQg_dkDY3KTP1ybugYwReg 7. https://medium.com/@RobertLeeRead ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: Not "open source" hardware, "free design" hardware
Hi, I'm a bit of a lurker here. I've been using "open source medical technology" and "open medical technology", for example, in this manifesto: [1]https://chng.it/jzXpFspd However, I think "free design hardware" may be a better and more descriptive term. I suggest that term will work well with people who understand the design/development process. It may take more explaining to the general public. On Sat, Jan 29, 2022 at 10:22 PM Richard Stallman <[2]r...@gnu.org> wrote: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I agree that this is a problem, but as presented FSF doesn't enable us > to use other terms as it's too software-oriented so this is the best we > can do even when the hardware is released under GPLv3. I don't believe that is true. I suspect that the term "open source hardware" is incoherent. If the board circuit is published under a free license, but the chip designes are not, is that hardware "open source"? If so, the term is so weak that using it is not helpful. I suggest the term "free-design hardware" to mean hardware made from free designs. -- Dr Richard Stallman ([3]https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project ([4]https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation ([5]https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer ([6]https://internethalloffame.org) ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list [7]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org [8]https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discus s -- Robert L. Read, PhD Twitter: @RobertLeeRead @pubinvention Public Invention: [9]https://www.pubinv.org Join Our Mailing list: [10]pub...@googlegroups.com YouTube: [11]https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJQg_dkDY3KTP1ybugYwReg Medium: [12]https://medium.com/@RobertLeeRead References 1. https://chng.it/jzXpFspd 2. mailto:r...@gnu.org 3. https://stallman.org/ 4. https://gnu.org/ 5. https://fsf.org/ 6. https://internethalloffame.org/ 7. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org 8. https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss 9. https://www.pubinv.org/ 10. mailto:pub...@googlegroups.com 11. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJQg_dkDY3KTP1ybugYwReg 12. https://medium.com/@RobertLeeRead ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: federated free software movement
I think such an organization that could provide a powerful voice tying together free-libre open source hardware and right-to-repair would be valuable. I don't know if existing organizations are covering that ground or not. On Sat, Nov 13, 2021 at 8:29 AM Leah Rowe via libreplanet-discuss <[1]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org> wrote: What if there was a combined Free Software, OSHW and Right to Repair group, providing ideological leadership in a peer to peer fashion via federated services (including Git-based code hosting) and an emphasis on teaching how to self-host your own federated hosting infrastructure? I'm discussing this on my twitter too: [1][2]https://twitter.com/n4of7/status/1459522798892859399 And on Mastodon. [2][3]https://mas.to/@libreleah/107270135261193137 However, I'm also seeking discussion here on this list. I wish to gauge the public's response before I proceed for real. Plus, I intend to bring people onboard to help me start this new initiative. References 1. [4]https://twitter.com/n4of7/status/1459522798892859399 2. [5]https://mas.to/@libreleah/107270135261193137 ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list [6]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org [7]https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discus s -- Robert L. Read, PhD Twitter: @RobertLeeRead @pubinvention Public Invention: [8]https://www.pubinv.org Join Our Mailing list: [9]pub...@googlegroups.com YouTube: [10]https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJQg_dkDY3KTP1ybugYwReg Medium: [11]https://medium.com/@RobertLeeRead References 1. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org 2. https://twitter.com/n4of7/status/1459522798892859399 3. https://mas.to/@libreleah/107270135261193137 4. https://twitter.com/n4of7/status/1459522798892859399 5. https://mas.to/@libreleah/107270135261193137 6. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org 7. https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss 8. https://www.pubinv.org/ 9. mailto:pub...@googlegroups.com 10. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJQg_dkDY3KTP1ybugYwReg 11. https://medium.com/@RobertLeeRead ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: Linux distro chooser
Hey Paul, thanks for sharing the Distrochooser. Looks nice, works great. Gladly, I chose the right distro, depending on the chooser :). Am 24.10.21 um 19:26 schrieb Paul Sutton via libreplanet-discuss: Hi All I just found this on Mastodon, a really useful tool to help people find a good linux distribution based on their needs. https://distrochooser.de/ Paul ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss Robert ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Today: LilyPond Workshop shortly after LibrePlanet workshop planned.
Hey Tobias, would there still be a place available? Bis dann, Robert aka cavemanr > Am 24.03.2021 um 17:23 schrieb Tobias Platen : > On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 12:50:57 +0100 > Enrique Rosas wrote: > >> Thanks Tobias >> >> Sorry, I will not be able to take part today. I understand today's >> presentation will be an introduction to Lilypond. >> >> Hope you would share any basic learning materials about Lilypond in this >> channel. >> >> Tschüss! >> >> Enrique > > I was wrong in the date, I assumed Wednesday, but my calendar says Tuesday. > So I decided to do the workshop the next week, on Wednesday March 31. > >>> On 14/03/21 18:16, Tobias Platen wrote: >>> Hello, >>> I'a free software developer and user of GNU Lilypond. I'm planning a >>> workshop >>> "How to compose songs with GNU Lilypond and other free software" soon, using >>> BigBlueButton. One of those other free softwares are the Singing Computer by >>> Free(B)Soft, Sinsy (Singing Voice Synthesis System) and QTAU(an Editor). >>> More Information will be posted on my self-hosted page https://www.qtau.de/ >> >> >> ___ >> libreplanet-discuss mailing list >> libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org >> https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss > > -- > Tobias Platen > > ___ > libreplanet-discuss mailing list > libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org > https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: Communication around Covid-19
I am also excited to participate. However, I just signed a petition asking for SXSW to be canceled. I will fully support canceling LibrePlanet if it seems in the best interest of people as a whole. I am not concerned about getting sick, personally; I am concerned about contributing to the spread of the virus which may actually kill vulnerable populations. However, LibrePlanet is MUCH smaller than SXSW. Mr. Wilson, let's tap feet when we meet! On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 3:53 PM Marcus Wilson <[1]thewil...@gmail.com> wrote: I'm excited as well! I don't post very much but I enjoy the activity in the mailing list. Does anyone know if hand sanitizer is sold out across the city or can I get some at a corner store when I arrive ? What's a fun, safe, way to greet if not shaking hands? Tapping feet or bowing or what is most efficient and polite? Thanks, -Marcus On Fri, Mar 6, 2020, at 2:32 PM, Ian Kelling wrote: Greg Farough <[2]gr...@fsf.org> writes: > On Thu, Mar 05 2020, Michael Mauger via libreplanet-discuss <[3]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org> wrote: > >> I want to encourage some official communication about how the >> conference is making allowances to handle the current virus >> outbreak. While we may do nothing specific (not my preferred >> position) we should at least acknowledge the questions that >> attendees may be asking. > > The FSF is currently preparing this kind of statement, which we hope > to get out in the next day or so. > > -g Note, that statement has gone out as an email and a blog post here [4]https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/update-on-covid-19-and-librep lanet- 2020 I'm really looking forward to the conf. -- Ian Kelling | Senior Systems Administrator, Free Software Foundation GPG Key: B125 F60B 7B28 7FF6 A2B7 DF8F 170A F0E2 9542 95DF [5]https://fsf.org | [6]https://gnu.org ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list [7]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org [8]https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discus s ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list [9]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org [10]https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discu ss -- Robert L. Read, PhD Twitter: @RobertLeeRead @pubinvention Public Invention: [11]https://www.pubinv.org Join Our Mailing list: [12]pub...@googlegroups.com YouTube: [13]https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJQg_dkDY3KTP1ybugYwReg Medium: [14]https://medium.com/@RobertLeeRead References 1. mailto:thewil...@gmail.com 2. mailto:gr...@fsf.org 3. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org 4. https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/update-on-covid-19-and-libreplanet- 5. https://fsf.org/ 6. https://gnu.org/ 7. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org 8. https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss 9. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org 10. https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss 11. https://www.pubinv.org/ 12. mailto:pub...@googlegroups.com 13. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJQg_dkDY3KTP1ybugYwReg 14. https://medium.com/@RobertLeeRead ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: [libreplanet-discuss] exposure to lynchings in free software communities
On Sep 23, 2019, at 8:07 AM, John Sullivan wrote: Disagreement and discussion here is great. This particular message went over the line and violates the list standards. Both because it accuses people who disagree of murder, and because it's carrying on personal grudges most of us have seen in many other places on the Internet for years. I have to disagree. Some of the claims being made do have some grain of truth. I would actually say that it does not go far enough. Things like these are stressful for everyone involved and it is not that far out to claim that it could cause or trigger health issues. Sadly, no one has brought up the conflict of interest between the OSI and the FSF. John, you hired Molly while she had some involvement with the OSI, did you not? Censorship, language manipulation, virtue signaling and downplaying claims without a coherent counterargument are all tools use to slander / bully people. I am appalled that so many in the community exhibit these regressive behaviors when they become uncomfortable with the direction of the conversation. RMS did not deserve the treatment that he received with this debacle and I deeply regret not speaking out in the past when others in our community were being lynched by the holier-than-thou mob. I think that it is valid to want a list / index of people who were wrongly slandered and their professional careers destroyed. Those who think they are on the “right side of history” should re-think how they are handling this[1]. While I don’t agree with a lot of what RMS says, I will fight against the slander and argue that the world is a better place because of the work that he has done. [1] First they came... [1]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_... — Robert Call(bob) b...@bobcall.me References 1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_... ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Is Stallman nuts?
On Sun, 2019-09-15 at 13:35 -0400, MARY-ANNE WOLF wrote: > https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/9ke3ke/famed-computer-scientist-richard-stallman-described-epstein-victims-as-entirely-willing > > > https://medium.com/@selamie/remove-richard-stallman-fec6ec210794 > > > I have been a financial supporter of FSF since... 2011 at least. I > first used emacs in... the 1980's I think it was. > > > Way to drive away any female supporter of FSF and Libre software > generally, Richard! I really did think you were smarter than that. > > > Look! A person underage (and the age is defined differently in > different states) CANNOT give consent to sex. That is why there is > such a thing as statutory rape. Thus, whether the young lady was > paid (and prostitution is also illegal in most places, and > transporting someone for purpose of prostitution also) and whether > she was willing in any other sense, if she was too young, she CANNOT > have given consent to sex, so the sex MUST have been rape as legally > defined. > > > If Stallman is too stupid to understand that, the FSF needs to throw > him out with force and distance itself from him as fast as they can, > before FSF loses the support of most of its female supporters and a > large fraction of its more woke male supporters. > > > Is Stallman nuts? > > My view is : no, Stallman is not nuts. The problem is that no one is willing to stop and have a coherent (adult) conversation on any given topic; it usually ends with how the mob feels. While I don't agree with what Stallman said, I am going to stand up for the issues around this whole debacle. From my perspective, this started because Stallman was trying to defend Marvin Minsky because he can no longer defend himself. The Vice post left out most of the mailing list thread and both hit pieces have a spin or narrative to push without having any meaningful content. Even if the misquote was true, it should be up for debate and one's own feelings should be left at the door when doing so. This constant cycle of outrage over the dumbest stuff is not going to move society forward. The problem is that many people asking for Stallman's scalp can't seem to entertain or view the world from a different point of view from their own. I worry this regressive behavior will lead to the end of what free society we have left. Debate about this issue should be done with facts and not feelings or lies! -- Robert Call (Bob) b...@bobcall.me https://bobcall.me ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: [libreplanet-discuss] The GNU ethical repository criteria will only harm free software.
On Sat, 2015-10-17 at 14:59 +, Mary-Anne Wolf wrote: > You suggested something "like" gittorrent. > How would this differ from gittorrent? > > Mary-Anne The issue is that the GNU project / FSF is proposing to give grades to various places that host free software source code repositories and endorse a few. We need to stop endorsing centralized solutions and develop standards for free software projects to host their own repositories or use / develop tools that aid projects in doing so. Developing standards is the important part of this because most projects don't host their own code in a secure way and they don't sign their code in a verifiable way. The whole point I was making is that the GNU project / FSF should not be repeating the whole process of endorsing one or a few centralized places to host free software projects. The free software community has gone through the failure of centralized source code repository hosts several times and I'm sure it will happen a few more if we keep up this cycle. I only brought up gittorrent because it seemed close to what I was thinking of, but other tools are needed to make it work. -- Robert Call (Bob) b...@librecmc.org http://librecmc.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Alternatives to non-freedom-friendly webmail services?
Setting up a mail-server is no fun. Definitively not trivial. Certainly nothing to be done in 10 minutes. @Freedombox: since when is promoting free software projects wrong on this list? Congratulation to you being free without FreedomBox. Maybe you can go even a step further and do it without free software! (Rumor has it you can write all code just by yourself - with 10 minutes at hand and the right tutorials) in case i just fed a troll - bon apetit.
Re: [libreplanet-discuss] LibrePlanet videos
aweseome! looking forward to it On 04/05/2013 02:40 PM, John Sullivan wrote: Andrew Roffeyandrew.rof...@connect.qut.edu.au writes: Hello, I hope I don't sound impatient, but when will the LibrePlanet videos be available? :-) I'm keen to watch them once available. Glad to hear the interest. We will start publishing them very soon. :) -john
Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Call for testing: Qumble: Open-Source Software distribution for Windows
On 31/01/13 14:18, Alexey Eromenko wrote: Why didn't I named it Free Software ? I could put a GNU logo (that GNU cow)... but it has implications, like from any brand: Users will start asking for Debian-like freedom or higher standard, which I cannot provide. It is mainly about what you advocate open source or free software. I see no problem in calling your project a free software advocating project and providing binaries that only carry mainly free software. You don't licence anything, you just distribute things that come with their own licences that explicitly allow you to do so. Whether you do that by criteria like Software that has nice icons or Software that lets you taste freedom in computing is of no importance. Imho it is freedom for users and not openness of code that need to be advocated. Robert
Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Opinions, please: proposal for Parabola GNU/Linux's new logo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/01/13 16:47, Jorge Araya Navarro wrote: Hello!! I'm envolved (in some way) with the Parabola GNU/Linux-libre project and few days ago I did a logo proposal it because the old one looks like... it don't have life at all. Anyway, I want to know the opinion from this list subscribers. First of all I like your new version! In my opinion #2 is better. The straight prongs of #1 don't fit well to the curved outline shape and certainly not to the parabola name. Here are some ideas that you might consider for #2: _The first two prongs (the small ones) are almost identical and bring in only *almost* straight lines into your overall shape. For that and for simplicities reason consider removing one of them, and maybe optically adjust spaces so that there isn't such a big gap. _Something feels wrong about the details of the curves of the prongs. They are probably correctly created but seem to be skewed in different perspectives: the outer shape is slightly tilted while the inner prongs seem not to - resulting in a subtle disharmony in the nature of the curves. _Maybe you want to apply a less symmetrical clean, simple and interesting font face to reflect the logo shape and distribution name, the bodies of the a, o b are almost perfectly round. Here is the proposal https://labs.parabola.nu/attachments/90/propuesta.png Some hackers prefeers to keep magenta as the color for the logo, others we disagree with this because magenta doesn't look 'good' with other color backgrounds than white or black, is a big problem once you start doing wallpapers. peace be with you all, Magenta is risky indeed. On the other hand it certainly is an eye-catcher. I would make it depend on your feeling on how well that extraordinary color choice would fit the project goals and the mentality of the people. It is nice to see improvement to the current situation with no corporate font at all and a logo too similar to the nike swoosh. Hoping the feedback is of some use, Robert -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJQ7UimAAoJECmK5f1wPpkZ1oEH/iOIZpOiEwQQKB2WptEK40nI N7tbzTeernWb7BNki/wYd/nbag+lzBEcaIRQbhnOGGQ0VDfi8hK9YbPWK+XZtBUI jwTrCDYhy9B1EjBOqzrd85UJ23ygvp3E5TZPPmk+4mCkHkvoMKAt/H+MR+RnOORR CbqdogvV72utmqn99/N7O66gVcfaY0HF+ZaeV50ZLRB59uBWMLtrpFsTmptFMZP3 X9ZWK4OlEr5MgiQMOcqwZ7NOodyLQoVegAj2Qvw+2XQwhU0hoddU9dCureF7Dvjp fgpXp3q3w/lAVRFS0nsPcbmK7y8Y3b2wcF4aO3D7gVHK0yAcs8htgXEpeM6YYaU= =YYE7 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Alternatives to closed, non-free webmail services?
On 24/07/12 20:39, Patrick Anderson wrote: We can solve this problem by learning how to share the hardware needed to host that software. Maybe that is one solution. But you can keep using your hardware, too: In the case of FreedomBox that would be a small plug server that runs all your mail/xmpp/social-stuff/dropbox/foo right from your basement. or your living-room. or from your friends home. http://freedomboxfoundation.org
Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Label Campaign
On 26/05/12 23:38, v...@ukr.net wrote: To my mind, the logo should definitely be in black white (or at least look good enough in black white) since it is the best variant for printing on T-shirts, for example. And T-shirts may be a good way of promoting it. What do you think? absolutely.
Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Label Campaign
On 27/05/12 12:51, al3xu5 / dotcommon wrote: I can not understand how trasparent could be something applicable to ethical choices... by transparent I mean a well informed state of the situation before you choose what you think is right. if for some reason you are uncertain about some terminology or facts the process of your choice (in this case an ethical one) would be in-transparent The idea that a label can serve to make people's choices more ethical and conscious or to spread freedom is simply wrong, and can only lead to the opposite result... I agree. But that wasn't what I suggested. The idea is not to manipulate a choice with a label, but to facilitate the choosing (hopefully in favour for free software). The premise is that people value the idea of free software already, but have a hard time recognizing it for various reasons.
Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Label Campaign
On 25/05/12 19:04, lluvia wrote: I hope it be as clean as the open source label. that was my idea. I'm in the process of working on something that is (among other general design rules): _international (avoiding letters/text) _clean in order to perform well on small sizes, too _black white for optimal reproduction on any background/material _compact to fit into vertical and horizontal spaces among text and other logos _conveying the idea of freedom (the hardest part imho) This is a challenge in itself, but I see the bigger challenge in the widespread adoption of the badge. If only a handful of people use the badge - I consider it a failure. This is why we should think of a campaign that creates motivation for projects to actually use the label. Like having a really appealing landing page, to make people feel they're not only supporting the right ethical choice, but feel good while they are doing it. (this shouldn't be the only motivation of course) By appealing I mean big nice typo, not too much text, friendly colors and an easy to understand message. Not like a typical page on fsf.org. -robert
Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Label Campaign
On 26/05/12 14:56, IntrosMedia wrote: Is the purpose of this campaign to create a label specific to free software? yes! In my opinion, even though an icon that represents well and clearly the idea of freedom would be a good thing for the label, I think it's not that important. When people start to see the label everywhere they'll get curious and click on it, even if they don't understand the meaning of the icon immediately. I agree, but it certainly helps if it looks like freedom - I don't want to abandon that option without trying. -robert
Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Label Campaign
On 26/05/12 20:26, Ramana Kumar wrote: I think this one should be relaxed to looks good when rendered in black white / grayscale; looks as good or better in colour; is obviously the same under both renditions. I want to avoid any problematic situations. There is the problem of *any* color that it might not go well with another and there is the issue of putting people in the position of making the choice: do I need the bw version or do I want the colored ... So just for the sake of having a reliable solution I see bw as the way to go.
Re: [libreplanet-discuss] LibrpePlanet Gaming Team brainstorm!
On 23/05/12 18:19, Danny Piccirillo wrote: Other collaboration ideas are welcome! What about getting in touch with some promising game developers and arranging a big scale bugtesting? Maybe make everybody familiar with the bug-tracker or whatever feedback works best with the developers and gather a critical mass of players that offer to jump through a few hoops for testing purposes. I guess some developers must be facing the problem of not having so many volunteer testers at the same time... That could be one activity for such an evening.
Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Label Campaign
On 23/05/12 23:12, John Sullivan wrote: There seems to be much disagreement about the effectiveness of the human readable deed approach. I would suggest for the first iteration of this, use the existing Free Software Definition page (possibly after making a few improvements to the introduction). This is analogous to other labeling programs to me. Labeling criteria are often very specific and detailed; I think ours would actually be quite simple compared to many that are out there (for animal testing, eco-friendly, and so on). I wouldn't suggest to omit the info. I'd rather put the walls of text on a prominent link called FULL DEFINITION or something else. The focus should be on making the key values easily visible, such as only mentioning the four freedoms (maybe with examples) and a list of the most common licenses that are regarded free software. Do you think we would loose something that way?
[libreplanet-discuss] Label Campaign
I think there should be a campaign and I'm curious what you think. It should be about making ethical choices transparent. Most non-technical users cannot see or understand what software freedom is. All they eventually get is a license name and/or version, some open foo buzzwords and maybe the hint that it is free software. They are unable to recognize in how far their choice actually connects to the idea of free software. In order to help people make right choices the free software community should use its authority and start labeling what is considered free software. There should be a label on every homepage or about-screen visible for everyone, and indicating that using this software means making a right choice. Practically speaking this means: - create a label - create a landing page (linked to the label) explaining the 4 freedoms and linking to more detailed infromation Do you think we can and should initiate this?
Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Label Campaign
On 23/05/12 17:39, Jason Self wrote: Labeling might be a good thing to do but I'm not sure that I agree with your reasoning behind it. Your explanation make it seem as if non-technical users as you describe them are just mindless sheep that passively graze on what others make available to them. [1] That was not what I meant at all. I believe even users with a profound interest in freedom of software and an honest commitment to their choice face technical problems: They may not have the time and patience to research what license a project uses, what it means, what the difference between other licenses are and whether it is officially free software. People can make their choices more easily when they see the label and know what it means.
Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Label Campaign
On 23/05/12 17:50, Danny Piccirillo wrote: I'm working on such a project and it should be ready in September. What is your progress so far? In how far does my suggested campaign overlap with your project?
Re: [libreplanet-discuss] New GNU
On 11/05/12 07:23, Dave Crossland wrote: I think a sustainable free software label is missing I think the GPL functions as this. I know people who don't use GNU+Linux as their main OS but who search for GPL software (eg they web search for 'gpl cd burning windows') The GPL is far from being a label: _it is a license, and a special one with an important twist (and therefore quite abstract and hard to explain) _it is intransparent and scattered into GPL, GPLv3, AGPL, LGPL, _it is not equal to the term free software, there is lots of free software that does not and cannot carry that label It is way too hard to know if certain applications actually ARE free software as described by the fsf. The label that misses would not have to be a big legal document that works for code projects. It should be just that: a label. Your 5 step theory points to the ultimate goal: software freedom matters. But what is that insight good for if people cannot recognize it? Interested people would are drawn to more popular labels like the linux or open source, get attracted to the nice superficial principles and loose the awareness of the importance of freedom. My point is: we need a label for fsf approved free software. There is none.
