Re: Free JavaScript alternatives

2023-01-04 Thread isf

El 30/12/2022 a las 23:06, jimgarrett escribió:

Hi List,

I'll pose my question first, and then give some back story.  I'm trying
to get a non-profit interested in substituting Free for proprietary
JavaScript and feel I could use more first-hand knowledge, as I am not
a software or web developer.
  * Is it correct that JavaScript is limited only by what the browser
allows?  Thus, JavaScript can't access memory outside the browser
or write a file (other than a cookie) without permission, but could
transmit information to any internet location.  Correct?
If the program is nonfree we can't realy know what type of the access 
have to your computing, for that reason when we run nonfree program we 
lose the control of ours liberty. Exist proves of nonfree programs 
writed in javascript who track every action of the user see it for 
yourself: 
https://freedom-to-tinker.com/2017/11/15/no-boundaries-exfiltration-of-personal-data-by-session-replay-scripts/ 




  * Where should I direct someone to try to find Free JavaScript
libraries to fulfill a specific feature?  Or is this simply too
broad a question to be useful?


As Richard Stallman say, a good website don't run programs in the 
computer of others, for that reason I recommend have a defense against 
this debility. Use LibreJS[1] and JShelter[2] are the basic's of the web 
browsing in freedom. There exists different ways to distribute 
javascript programs via browser that is good: 
https://www.gnu.org/software/librejs/free-your-javascript.html . Anyway 
my recommendation is this: if your webpage can work without javascript, 
do it without it.


[1]: https://www.gnu.org/software/librejs/
[2]: https://jshelter.org/>


Here's the back story.  I heard about the organization Justdiggit and
went to their web site to donate:  [1]https://justdiggit.org.  Their
privacy/cookie notice is surprisingly forward, and essentially screams
to me "we will sell your data".  Well, points for honesty.  I
declined.  I was using the "Abrowser" Firefox derivative on Trisquel
and the site shows almost no content with that browser.  I visited the
site with stock Firefox, looked up contact information, and sent an
e-mail saying I would love to donate but I didn't want to be tracked.

Miraculously (to my mind), one of their team sent a reply e-mail saying
they understood my desire not to be tracked and would like to work with
me.  I imagine that means "help me get my browser to work", not
necessarily to re-engineer their web site.  I responded that it was in
fact probably non-Free JavaScript that made the site fail.  I'd like to
be prepared to speak of many horrible things that proprietary
JavaScript could be doing, and to make a suggestion for where their web
developers could go to find Free tools.

This is all terribly unlikely to have any immediate impact, but it's a
vehicle to alert some people about these issues.  Thanks in advance!

Let me recommend you this article, maybe your read it, but inside are 
more proves than nonfree JavaScript problems: 
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/javascript-trap.html


My brother want start a website, but his website can't be readable 
without running nonfree programs in javascript. Im trying to help him 
saying why is bad that type of website, technical problems with old 
computers and freedom issues, but he don't care a lot for his own 
freedom as I do.


In short words, is a hard battle, against the nonfree software.


Jim Garrett

References

1. https://justdiggit.org/



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Free JavaScript alternatives

2023-01-03 Thread jimgarrett
   Hi List,

   I'll pose my question first, and then give some back story.  I'm trying
   to get a non-profit interested in substituting Free for proprietary
   JavaScript and feel I could use more first-hand knowledge, as I am not
   a software or web developer.
 * Is it correct that JavaScript is limited only by what the browser
   allows?  Thus, JavaScript can't access memory outside the browser
   or write a file (other than a cookie) without permission, but could
   transmit information to any internet location.  Correct?
 * Where should I direct someone to try to find Free JavaScript
   libraries to fulfill a specific feature?  Or is this simply too
   broad a question to be useful?

   Here's the back story.  I heard about the organization Justdiggit and
   went to their web site to donate:  [1]https://justdiggit.org.  Their
   privacy/cookie notice is surprisingly forward, and essentially screams
   to me "we will sell your data".  Well, points for honesty.  I
   declined.  I was using the "Abrowser" Firefox derivative on Trisquel
   and the site shows almost no content with that browser.  I visited the
   site with stock Firefox, looked up contact information, and sent an
   e-mail saying I would love to donate but I didn't want to be tracked.

   Miraculously (to my mind), one of their team sent a reply e-mail saying
   they understood my desire not to be tracked and would like to work with
   me.  I imagine that means "help me get my browser to work", not
   necessarily to re-engineer their web site.  I responded that it was in
   fact probably non-Free JavaScript that made the site fail.  I'd like to
   be prepared to speak of many horrible things that proprietary
   JavaScript could be doing, and to make a suggestion for where their web
   developers could go to find Free tools.

   This is all terribly unlikely to have any immediate impact, but it's a
   vehicle to alert some people about these issues.  Thanks in advance!

   Jim Garrett

References

   1. https://justdiggit.org/
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