Re: Solutions to help organisations mirror their antisocial media posts to mastodon?
On Dec 24, 2023, Yuchen Pei wrote: > Hold on a moment. AFAIK if you check a xitter account on nitter, or > follow multiple xitter accounts through Squawker, you get a timeline > which is a anti-chronological list of posts by these accounts with no > dodgy algorithm. Even if the account is shadow-banned? (I really don't know, but I'd be surprised if their shadow-ban could be circumvented so trivially) > I don't know what it is like on xitter itself, but a > bridge/client on mastodon to xitter should simply be able to allow users > to subscribe to any xitter accounts they like, get their posts, > comment/boost them etc without filtering/promotion by xitter. I also took into account the indirect effects of driving attention to the platform, which may get some users to join it. -- Alexandre Oliva, happy hackerhttps://FSFLA.org/blogs/lxo/ Free Software Activist GNU Toolchain Engineer Disinformation flourishes because many people care deeply about injustice but very few check the facts. Think Assange & Stallman. The empires strike back ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: Solutions to help organisations mirror their antisocial media posts to mastodon?
On Tue, Dec 26, 2023, 2:55 PM Yuchen Pei <[1]i...@ypei.org> wrote: Not really. There are plenty of people with reasonable things to say on xitter who for whatever reason stayed there. Amusingly, when I was setting up a firefish instance for activitypub, I took a look at mastodon.social (to see if I wanted to federate with it or follow anyone there), their 'default-go-to' recommended instance, and found absurdly similar level of toxicity there too. Politician this that, Person this that etc. A ton of boosted comments were fairly similar to what you'd find on say, X as constant 'anger-engagements.' So I wholeheartedly agree. There are people on X that focus on what they do best and are really good accounts (Depths of Wikipedia for example), and similar on many ActivityPub instances. It's just a very YMMV at this moment. abe References 1. mailto:i...@ypei.org ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: Solutions to help organisations mirror their antisocial media posts to mastodon?
On 26/12/2023 23:16, Abe Indoria wrote: On Tue, Dec 26, 2023, 2:55 PM Yuchen Pei <[1]i...@ypei.org> wrote: Not really. There are plenty of people with reasonable things to say on xitter who for whatever reason stayed there. Amusingly, when I was setting up a firefish instance for activitypub, I took a look at mastodon.social (to see if I wanted to federate with it or follow anyone there), their 'default-go-to' recommended instance, and found absurdly similar level of toxicity there too. Politician this that, Person this that etc. A ton of boosted comments were fairly similar to what you'd find on say, X as constant 'anger-engagements.' So I wholeheartedly agree. There are people on X that focus on what they do best and are really good accounts (Depths of Wikipedia for example), and similar on many ActivityPub instances. It's just a very YMMV at this moment. abe I agree with this, I would guess the main point we can try and push with the Fediverse is the ability to not simply block users but due to the centralized nature, we can as users block whole instances. I think the reason mastodon.social is a hub for so much activity is that for a while it was pushed as the instance to go to, possibly in an attempted to help people who find it difficult to grasp the idea of instances and you can choose which instance to be on, This is understandable as it is a different model to what people are used to, and most beginner IT courses probably make little mention of federated services. paul , References 1. mailto:i...@ypei.org ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: Solutions to help organisations mirror their antisocial media posts to mastodon?
On 25 December 2023 19:15:23 GMT+11:00, Paul Sutton via libreplanet-discuss wrote: >I have been using fediverse for a number of years, so maybe to address a few >points here: > >1. To me, the purpose of a bot account is to usually facilitate the sharing of >say a blog post to the Fediverse services. However those posts still need >interaction. > >You can follow my blog via activity pub, but if you reply I can see that reply >from my account and reply. Surely this works equally if the fsf make a post, I >reply and someone then interacts with my post, esp if asking a question or >just saying 'good work' to the latest video for example. > >The interactions on Mastodon for example are far better than what I >experienced on main stream social media. > >I am not sure where the term 'anti social media' has come from, federated >services are still social media, just built on a more decentralized, privacy >friendly model. > >"but a bridge/client on mastodon to xitter should simply be able to allow users > >to subscribe to any xitter accounts they like, get their posts, >comment/boost them etc without filtering/promotion by xitter." > >From what I can gather looking at Mastodon posts about X, is that it is a >toxic , far right cesspit, Not really. There are plenty of people with reasonable things to say on xitter who for whatever reason stayed there. > so being able to follow posts on there could be controversial, Meta has plans > for Threads to federate, however the opinion on the fediverse is do we want > to give Meta access to our data, posts which so if this does happen Threads > could find it can only interact with a few instances OR is de federated fully. > >If you are going to join the fediverse, then maybe one needs to be on there >and interact with people and followers. > >On the subject of what is happening, there are people stuck on mainstream >platforms as this is where their followers are, but as Twitter and now >Substack are seen as very toxic people are trying to leave. > >For most people this is probably easy for people who rely on social media to >promote their (source of income) , they risk losing (and do lose) a huge chunk >of income if they leave, so they have to stay on toxic platforms where they >don't feel safe. They are really stuck. > >There does seem to be a need to address this. > >Paul > > Fediverse doesn't seem to like bots and mirrorring accounts much, and > this is what this creates. I don't like much that it gives Xitter more > visibility and power, How does it give Xitter more visibility and power? >>> Their power to filter/promote and thus influence gets extended further, >>> onto the Fediverse. >> Hold on a moment. AFAIK if you check a xitter account on nitter, or >> follow multiple xitter accounts through Squawker, you get a timeline >> which is a anti-chronological list of posts by these accounts with no >> dodgy algorithm. I don't know what it is like on xitter itself, but a >> bridge/client on mastodon to xitter should simply be able to allow users >> to subscribe to any xitter accounts they like, get their posts, >> comment/boost them etc without filtering/promotion by xitter. >> >>> [... 4 lines elided] >> Best, >> Yuchen >> >> -- >> Dr Yuchen Pei |https://ypei.org | Timezone: UTC+11 >> PGP Key: 47F9 D050 1E11 8879 9040 4941 2126 7E93 EF86 DFD0 >> https://ypei.org/assets/ypei-pubkey.txt >> >> ___ >> libreplanet-discuss mailing list >> libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org >> https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: Solutions to help organisations mirror their antisocial media posts to mastodon?
I have been using fediverse for a number of years, so maybe to address a few points here: 1. To me, the purpose of a bot account is to usually facilitate the sharing of say a blog post to the Fediverse services. However those posts still need interaction. You can follow my blog via activity pub, but if you reply I can see that reply from my account and reply. Surely this works equally if the fsf make a post, I reply and someone then interacts with my post, esp if asking a question or just saying 'good work' to the latest video for example. The interactions on Mastodon for example are far better than what I experienced on main stream social media. I am not sure where the term 'anti social media' has come from, federated services are still social media, just built on a more decentralized, privacy friendly model. "but a bridge/client on mastodon to xitter should simply be able to allow users to subscribe to any xitter accounts they like, get their posts, comment/boost them etc without filtering/promotion by xitter." From what I can gather looking at Mastodon posts about X, is that it is a toxic , far right cesspit, so being able to follow posts on there could be controversial, Meta has plans for Threads to federate, however the opinion on the fediverse is do we want to give Meta access to our data, posts which so if this does happen Threads could find it can only interact with a few instances OR is de federated fully. If you are going to join the fediverse, then maybe one needs to be on there and interact with people and followers. On the subject of what is happening, there are people stuck on mainstream platforms as this is where their followers are, but as Twitter and now Substack are seen as very toxic people are trying to leave. For most people this is probably easy for people who rely on social media to promote their (source of income) , they risk losing (and do lose) a huge chunk of income if they leave, so they have to stay on toxic platforms where they don't feel safe. They are really stuck. There does seem to be a need to address this. Paul Fediverse doesn't seem to like bots and mirrorring accounts much, and this is what this creates. I don't like much that it gives Xitter more visibility and power, How does it give Xitter more visibility and power? Their power to filter/promote and thus influence gets extended further, onto the Fediverse. Hold on a moment. AFAIK if you check a xitter account on nitter, or follow multiple xitter accounts through Squawker, you get a timeline which is a anti-chronological list of posts by these accounts with no dodgy algorithm. I don't know what it is like on xitter itself, but a bridge/client on mastodon to xitter should simply be able to allow users to subscribe to any xitter accounts they like, get their posts, comment/boost them etc without filtering/promotion by xitter. [... 4 lines elided] Best, Yuchen -- Dr Yuchen Pei | [1]https://ypei.org | Timezone: UTC+11 PGP Key: 47F9 D050 1E11 8879 9040 4941 2126 7E93 EF86 DFD0 [2]https://ypei.org/assets/ypei-pubkey.txt ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list [3]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org [4]https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss References 1. https://ypei.org/ 2. https://ypei.org/assets/ypei-pubkey.txt 3. mailto:libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org 4. https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: Solutions to help organisations mirror their antisocial media posts to mastodon?
On Mon 2023-12-04 22:10:05 -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Nov 21, 2023, Yuchen Pei wrote: >> On Tue 2023-11-21 22:44:10 -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: >>> [... 9 lines elided] >>> Fediverse doesn't seem to like bots and mirrorring accounts much, and >>> this is what this creates. I don't like much that it gives Xitter more >>> visibility and power, >> How does it give Xitter more visibility and power? > Their power to filter/promote and thus influence gets extended further, > onto the Fediverse. Hold on a moment. AFAIK if you check a xitter account on nitter, or follow multiple xitter accounts through Squawker, you get a timeline which is a anti-chronological list of posts by these accounts with no dodgy algorithm. I don't know what it is like on xitter itself, but a bridge/client on mastodon to xitter should simply be able to allow users to subscribe to any xitter accounts they like, get their posts, comment/boost them etc without filtering/promotion by xitter. > [... 4 lines elided] Best, Yuchen -- Dr Yuchen Pei | https://ypei.org | Timezone: UTC+11 PGP Key: 47F9 D050 1E11 8879 9040 4941 2126 7E93 EF86 DFD0 https://ypei.org/assets/ypei-pubkey.txt ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: Solutions to help organisations mirror their antisocial media posts to mastodon?
On Nov 21, 2023, Yuchen Pei wrote: > On Tue 2023-11-21 22:44:10 -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> [... 9 lines elided] >> Fediverse doesn't seem to like bots and mirrorring accounts much, and >> this is what this creates. I don't like much that it gives Xitter more >> visibility and power, > How does it give Xitter more visibility and power? Their power to filter/promote and thus influence gets extended further, onto the Fediverse. By easing access to posts in that platform, there's less of an incentive for posters to look for alternative channels, and more for them to remain accommodated under its dominion. -- Alexandre Oliva, happy hackerhttps://FSFLA.org/blogs/lxo/ Free Software Activist GNU Toolchain Engineer Disinformation flourishes because many people care deeply about injustice but very few check the facts. Think Assange & Stallman. The empires strike back ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: Solutions to help organisations mirror their antisocial media posts to mastodon?
Dear Yuchen, One theory I read on this matter (possibly from FSF itself, I'm not sure) is an organization valuing its freedom should publish only to services that respect freedom. Instead of publishing directly to the antisocial disservices, an organization with self respect should rely on others to publish to the antisocial media. As long as people are used by these antisocial media, there should be people who is willing to copy the publication from the freedom-respecting service to their dis-services of choice. With great respect, Fritz ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: Solutions to help organisations mirror their antisocial media posts to mastodon?
On Wed 2023-11-22 02:43:00 +, Kurtis Hanna wrote: > I'm not super well versed in these things, but perhaps you might find > some information you are looking for at one of these websites: > https://brid.gy/ > https://fed.brid.gy/ > https://indieweb.org/Twitter > https://indieweb.org/POSSE Interesting stuff, thanks. Reminds me of a podcast ep I listened to recently, where one of the hosts talked about hacking the activity pub api so that his blog could appear as a mastodon account, and blogposts would appear in full in the mastodon posts, and (the most interesting part IMO) replies will appear as comments on the blogpost webpage: --8<---cut here---start->8--- Linux Matters: Blogging to the Fediverse Episode webpage: https://linuxmatters.sh/16/ Media file: https://traffic.libsyn.com/latenightlinux/LMP16.mp3 --8<---cut here---end--->8--- > [... 34 lines elided] Best, Yuchen -- Dr Yuchen Pei | https://ypei.org | Timezone: UTC+11 PGP Key: 47F9 D050 1E11 8879 9040 4941 2126 7E93 EF86 DFD0 https://ypei.org/assets/ypei-pubkey.txt ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: Solutions to help organisations mirror their antisocial media posts to mastodon?
One of the nice things about posting to Mastodon is the fact people interact and comment on posts. This is a two way process. If you sell a product or offer a service and I ask about this on Facebook then surely someone would reply, as a Mastodon user I would expect the same or similar level of interaction with posts, and yes,l this does require someone to be there to answer questions or comments on posts Or in some cases if a user posted an offensive comment have this removed I think this is one of the reasons people on Mastodon prefer this over mainstream social media, quality of social interaction rather than quantity too Paul On 22/11/2023 01:22, Ron Nazarov via libreplanet-discuss wrote: On 20/11/2023 12:55, Yuchen Pei wrote: Hello librenauts, Often when talking to people running organisations, they tend to cite reach when asked why they only post on twitter, fecebook etc. However, if they could automate mirroring their posts to mastodon they wouldn't mind doing that. Some of these orgs even have a mastodon account, but with barely any posts. Some of these people even despise twitter and don't have a twitter account themselves. So I wonder if there is a tool that automates toot for tweet replication? The FSF uses this script: https://vcs.fsf.org/?p=pdt.git;a=summary FSF account names are hard-coded but the README says that a patch that makes them configurable would be accepted. ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: Solutions to help organisations mirror their antisocial media posts to mastodon?
On 22/11/2023 01:30, Yuchen Pei wrote: On Wed 2023-11-22 01:22:34 +, Ron Nazarov wrote: The FSF uses this script: https://vcs.fsf.org/?p=pdt.git;a=summary Does this script mirror from twitter to mastodon, or does it only post to them? If it is the latter, then it may not be appealing to people who are primarily using twitter, because they may not want to change how they post to twitter. I believe it is the latter. There seem to be multiple programs that do the former, such as: - https://github.com/rosalogia/TwitterMirror - https://gitlab.com/yogthos/mastodon-bot I have not used any of them. OpenPGP_0x1D43EF4F4492268B.asc Description: OpenPGP public key OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: Solutions to help organisations mirror their antisocial media posts to mastodon?
On Nov 20, 2023, Yuchen Pei wrote: > So I wonder if there is a tool that automates toot for tweet > replication? Not exactly what you asked for, but there's https://bird.makeup/ to enable ActivityPub accounts to follow Xitters. I've never used it, I have no clue as to how reliable it is. Fediverse doesn't seem to like bots and mirrorring accounts much, and this is what this creates. I don't like much that it gives Xitter more visibility and power, but I suppose that, if a Xitter account gets a sufficient following in the Fediverse, perhaps the maintainer of the Xitter account can be persuaded with hard data about follower count to start using the Fediverse as well. And, until they do, interested parties can at least keep up. So please use with some care, if you do. -- Alexandre Oliva, happy hackerhttps://FSFLA.org/blogs/lxo/ Free Software Activist GNU Toolchain Engineer Disinformation flourishes because many people care deeply about injustice but very few check the facts. Think Assange & Stallman. The empires strike back ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: Solutions to help organisations mirror their antisocial media posts to mastodon?
I'm not super well versed in these things, but perhaps you might find some information you are looking for at one of these websites: https://brid.gy/ https://fed.brid.gy/ https://indieweb.org/Twitter https://indieweb.org/POSSE Yuchen Pei: On Tue 2023-11-21 22:44:10 -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: On Nov 20, 2023, Yuchen Pei wrote: So I wonder if there is a tool that automates toot for tweet replication? Not exactly what you asked for, but there's https://bird.makeup/ to enable ActivityPub accounts to follow Xitters. I've never used it, I have no clue as to how reliable it is. Right, I am not sure how it works. For example @berniesanders@bird.makeup has some posts, but is stale (latest toot 6 days ago vs latest tweet 1 day ago). @greens@bird.markup, on the other hand, does not even exist. [... 9 lines elided] Best, Yuchen -- Dr Yuchen Pei | https://ypei.org | Timezone: UTC+11 PGP Key: 47F9 D050 1E11 8879 9040 4941 2126 7E93 EF86 DFD0 https://ypei.org/assets/ypei-pubkey.txt ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: Solutions to help organisations mirror their antisocial media posts to mastodon?
On 20/11/2023 12:55, Yuchen Pei wrote: Hello librenauts, Often when talking to people running organisations, they tend to cite reach when asked why they only post on twitter, fecebook etc. However, if they could automate mirroring their posts to mastodon they wouldn't mind doing that. Some of these orgs even have a mastodon account, but with barely any posts. Some of these people even despise twitter and don't have a twitter account themselves. So I wonder if there is a tool that automates toot for tweet replication? The FSF uses this script: https://vcs.fsf.org/?p=pdt.git;a=summary FSF account names are hard-coded but the README says that a patch that makes them configurable would be accepted. OpenPGP_0x1D43EF4F4492268B.asc Description: OpenPGP public key OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: Solutions to help organisations mirror their antisocial media posts to mastodon?
On Tue 2023-11-21 22:44:10 -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Nov 20, 2023, Yuchen Pei wrote: >> So I wonder if there is a tool that automates toot for tweet >> replication? > Not exactly what you asked for, but there's https://bird.makeup/ to > enable ActivityPub accounts to follow Xitters. I've never used it, I > have no clue as to how reliable it is. Right, I am not sure how it works. For example @berniesanders@bird.makeup has some posts, but is stale (latest toot 6 days ago vs latest tweet 1 day ago). @greens@bird.markup, on the other hand, does not even exist. > [... 9 lines elided] Best, Yuchen -- Dr Yuchen Pei | https://ypei.org | Timezone: UTC+11 PGP Key: 47F9 D050 1E11 8879 9040 4941 2126 7E93 EF86 DFD0 https://ypei.org/assets/ypei-pubkey.txt ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: Solutions to help organisations mirror their antisocial media posts to mastodon?
On Tue 2023-11-21 22:44:10 -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > [... 9 lines elided] > Fediverse doesn't seem to like bots and mirrorring accounts much, and > this is what this creates. I don't like much that it gives Xitter more > visibility and power, How does it give Xitter more visibility and power? Assuming the mastodon posts have no reference to Xitter, just the content of the posts and nothing else, this won't draw people towards Xitter. > [... 7 lines elided] Best, Yuchen -- Dr Yuchen Pei | https://ypei.org | Timezone: UTC+11 PGP Key: 47F9 D050 1E11 8879 9040 4941 2126 7E93 EF86 DFD0 https://ypei.org/assets/ypei-pubkey.txt ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: Solutions to help organisations mirror their antisocial media posts to mastodon?
On Wed 2023-11-22 01:22:34 +, Ron Nazarov wrote: > [... 11 lines elided] > The FSF uses this script: https://vcs.fsf.org/?p=pdt.git;a=summary Does this script mirror from twitter to mastodon, or does it only post to them? If it is the latter, then it may not be appealing to people who are primarily using twitter, because they may not want to change how they post to twitter. > [... 3 lines elided] Best, Yuchen -- Dr Yuchen Pei | https://ypei.org | Timezone: UTC+11 PGP Key: 47F9 D050 1E11 8879 9040 4941 2126 7E93 EF86 DFD0 https://ypei.org/assets/ypei-pubkey.txt signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Solutions to help organisations mirror their antisocial media posts to mastodon?
Hello librenauts, Often when talking to people running organisations, they tend to cite reach when asked why they only post on twitter, fecebook etc. However, if they could automate mirroring their posts to mastodon they wouldn't mind doing that. Some of these orgs even have a mastodon account, but with barely any posts. Some of these people even despise twitter and don't have a twitter account themselves. So I wonder if there is a tool that automates toot for tweet replication? Best, Yuchen -- Dr Yuchen Pei | https://ypei.org | Timezone: UTC+11 PGP Key: 47F9 D050 1E11 8879 9040 4941 2126 7E93 EF86 DFD0 https://ypei.org/assets/ypei-pubkey.txt ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
