Re: The endless thread without benefit - Re: re. RMS
* Adonay Felipe Nogueira via libreplanet-discuss [2021-04-09 16:36]> > I know that it also depends on the font size, since for example, > visually impaired people (e.g.: with monocular vision) have to > either use a text-to-speech software or rely on a setting to enlarge > only the text font size for the entire system, which also changes > how much width an email client has to decide if it will use an > horizontal scroll bar or do a soft line wrap. Avoiding such arts not > only helps visually impaired but also leaves more space to convey > other messages. Reason why somebody cannot see proper order of letters is that they view email as HTML which uses fonts that are not of equal width, that is why it comes out misaligned. I do believe helping visually impaired or hearing impaired or otherwise impaired users should be assisted by computer software. We do not have much of it available really. > This is why I particularly don't find text art useful in text-based > communications, specialy when there is a chance that a blind person > is viewing it (since they have hard time understanding “:)” and > “:relaxed:” since these aren't localized to their language, but “☺” > is). Maybe there is no standard language for all the world. And if that person can hear, it is easy to ask a friend. There was a man who was alwayas in wheelchair, he had no problem associating with anybody and directing teenagers to lift him, move him up the stairs and similar. I also believe that blind literate persons may be way more attentive and prone to understand than a non-blind one that consciously or unconsciously pretend to be apt to understand. Experience from a project to help people communicate better and safer by using free software applications tells me that majority of people who can read, who did face the project, cannot read. This relates to one particular group of 1000+ people in East Africa. They can read in the sense that they can understand letters and read some words, and understand many words, but understanding it really is hard for majority, though they may be English speakers in physical real life. Majority of those English speakers never read a book like Tom Sawyer, or any other popular English book, unspoken of reading popular books, or comics, books almost do not exist and there is no habit in society and families to read books. This makes one large number of people impaired to read though they do speak the language and occasionally write it in the SMS. That is why each reader application shall have direct access to local dictionary, from each single word wherever possible, each editor should have possibility to access dictionary from each word. GNU Emacs has recently inclued M-x dictionary command that helps users to find definitions for words, and there are many other packages. Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns Sign an open letter in support of Richard M. Stallman https://rms-support-letter.github.io/ ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: The endless thread without benefit - Re: re. RMS
Em 07/04/2021 03:24, Danny Spitzberg escreveu: >It may be my email client or my eyes but I cannot decipher this ascii >art. Accessibility standards would implore you to please also include a >plain text translation. >[…] > / ___| _ _ _ __ _ __ ___ _ __| |_ | _ \| \/ / ___| > \___ \| | | | '_ \| '_ \ / _ \| '__| __| | |_) | |\/| \___ \ > ___) | |_| | |_) | |_) | (_) | | | |_ | _ <| | | |___) | > |/ \__,_| .__/| .__/ \___/|_| \__| |_| \_\_| |_|/ > |_| |_| > >What does this ^ say? I know that it also depends on the font size, since for example, visually impaired people (e.g.: with monocular vision) have to either use a text-to-speech software or rely on a setting to enlarge only the text font size for the entire system, which also changes how much width an email client has to decide if it will use an horizontal scroll bar or do a soft line wrap. Avoiding such arts not only helps visually impaired but also leaves more space to convey other messages. This is why I particularly don't find text art useful in text-based communications, specialy when there is a chance that a blind person is viewing it (since they have hard time understanding “:)” and “:relaxed:” since these aren't localized to their language, but “☺” is). That said, the text art says: support RMS. -- * Ativista do software livre * https://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Adfeno * Membro dos grupos avaliadores de * Software (Free Software Directory) * Distribuições de sistemas (FreedSoftware) * Sites (Free JavaScript Action Team) * Não sou advogado e não fomento os não livres * Sempre veja o spam/lixo eletrônico do teu e-mail * Ou coloque todos os recebidos na caixa de entrada * Sempre assino e-mails com OpenPGP * Chave pública: vide endereço anterior * Qualquer outro pode ser fraude * Se não tens OpenPGP, ignore o anexo "signature.asc" * Ao enviar anexos * Docs., planilhas e apresentações: use OpenDocument * Outros tipos: vide endereço anterior * Use protocolos de comunicação federadas * Vide endereço anterior * Mensagens secretas somente via * XMPP com OMEMO * E-mail criptografado e assinado com OpenPGP signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: The endless thread without benefit - Re: re. RMS
It may be my email client or my eyes but I cannot decipher this ascii
art. Accessibility standards would implore you to please also include a
plain text translation.
On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 12:22 PM Jean Louis wrote:
* Lori Nagel via libreplanet-discuss
<[1]libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org> [2021-04-05 19:32]:
>I think a lot of this discussion about RMS is because most
people
>forget about freedom respecting software activism most of the
time.
>They don't live eat sleep and breathe it 24/7. Every time a
RMS news
>article comes out, or he is embroiled in some controversy, then
people
>find the time and energy to gather on these lists and discuss
him
>again. The only problem is, it doesn't necessarily lead to new
and
>more effective freedom respecting software advocacy strategies.
Exactly.
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What does this ^ say?
Jean
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Re: The endless thread without benefit - Re: re. RMS
On 2021-04-05 11:45:46 Jean Louis wrote: > * Lori Nagel via libreplanet-discuss > [2021-04-05 19:32]: > >I think a lot of this discussion about RMS is because most people > >forget about freedom respecting software activism most of the time. > >They don't live eat sleep and breathe it 24/7. Every time a RMS news > >article comes out, or he is embroiled in some controversy, then people > >find the time and energy to gather on these lists and discuss him > >again. The only problem is, it doesn't necessarily lead to new and > >more effective freedom respecting software advocacy strategies. > > Exactly. Well, I didn't subscribe (recently) to this list to listen to debates about RMS' celebrity follies, so after I figured out what was going on, I've added an "Ignore Thread" button to my mail agent's toolbar (just for this list!) Leslie -- ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
Re: The endless thread without benefit - Re: re. RMS
* Danny Spitzberg [2021-04-07 09:24]: > It may be my email client or my eyes but I cannot decipher this ascii art. > Accessibility standards would implore you to please also include a plain > text translation. Sorry. Every email client should be able to read simple text, not only HTML. I can read HTML with mutt, and text, or any kind of attachment. > > _ __ __ > > / ___| _ _ _ __ _ __ ___ _ __| |_ | _ \| \/ / ___| > > \___ \| | | | '_ \| '_ \ / _ \| '__| __| | |_) | |\/| \___ \ > > ___) | |_| | |_) | |_) | (_) | | | |_ | _ <| | | |___) | > > |/ \__,_| .__/| .__/ \___/|_| \__| |_| \_\_| |_|/ > > |_| |_| > > > > What does this ^ say? Here is the answer: https://hyperscope.link/3/6/8/4/4/36844.html -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns Sign an open letter in support of Richard M. Stallman https://rms-support-letter.github.io/ ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss
The endless thread without benefit - Re: re. RMS
* Lori Nagel via libreplanet-discuss
[2021-04-05 19:32]:
>I think a lot of this discussion about RMS is because most people
>forget about freedom respecting software activism most of the time.
>They don't live eat sleep and breathe it 24/7. Every time a RMS news
>article comes out, or he is embroiled in some controversy, then people
>find the time and energy to gather on these lists and discuss him
>again. The only problem is, it doesn't necessarily lead to new and
>more effective freedom respecting software advocacy strategies.
Exactly.
_ __ __
/ ___| _ _ _ __ _ __ ___ _ __| |_ | _ \| \/ / ___|
\___ \| | | | '_ \| '_ \ / _ \| '__| __| | |_) | |\/| \___ \
___) | |_| | |_) | |_) | (_) | | | |_ | _ <| | | |___) |
|/ \__,_| .__/| .__/ \___/|_| \__| |_| \_\_| |_|/
|_| |_|
Jean
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