[LIB] Testing once again

2004-09-14 Thread Matt Hanson
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 18:13:29 -0700
From: Matt Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Testing once again

Well, this time it wasn't Dan's server.  My Yahoo email account
suddenly just stopped sending any email anywhere.  So Dan suggested
this Google gmail account. Looks slick... but don't really know what
all it does.  1000GB of storage ought to be enough thoough I guess... 
;-P

Matt




Re: [LIB] Testing once again (gmail)

2004-09-14 Thread brett
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:18:27 +0900
From: brett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] Testing once again (gmail)
google caches everything, I recommend you never put personal details in 
an email sent to / from gmail

you may want to read
http://www.gmail-is-too-creepy.com/
regards,
-Brett
Matt Hanson wrote:
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 18:13:29 -0700
From: Matt Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Testing once again
Well, this time it wasn't Dan's server.  My Yahoo email account
suddenly just stopped sending any email anywhere.  So Dan suggested
this Google gmail account. Looks slick... but don't really know what
all it does.  1000GB of storage ought to be enough thoough I guess... 
;-P

Matt

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Re: [LIB] Testing once again (gmail)

2004-09-14 Thread Matt Hanson
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 20:35:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matt Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] Testing once again (gmail)

Thanks for the heads-up Brett.  I was going nuts for the past couple of days just 
trying to get access to the list.  So I and created this Yahjoo account, my 4th email 
account in 2-3, to get list access after being locked out one way or another.  
 
But instead of approving my application to the list for this new Yahoo account, when 
Dan replied, he steered me to gmail.  So I signed up there just to get access to the 
list again.  I guess I grumbled a bit about it all in a note to Dan, so I guess he 
tweaked a few settings and now I have both gmail and Yahoo access to the list.  Guess 
I'll probably be needing the back up for the 'next time' which, with my track record 
on list access the past couple of years, I'll probably be needing. 8-0
 
Matt

brett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:18:27 +0900
From: brett 

Subject: Re: [LIB] Testing once again (gmail)

google caches everything, I recommend you never put personal details in 
an email sent to / from gmail

you may want to read
http://www.gmail-is-too-creepy.com/

regards,
-Brett
Matt Hanson wrote:

Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 18:13:29 -0700
From: Matt Hanson 
Subject: Testing once again

Well, this time it wasn't Dan's server. My Yahoo email account
suddenly just stopped sending any email anywhere. So Dan suggested
this Google gmail account. Looks slick... but don't really know what
all it does. 1000GB of storage ought to be enough thoough I guess... 
;-P

Matt


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Re: [LIB] I am thinking of selling.. 110

2004-09-14 Thread Matt Hanson
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 20:47:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matt Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] I am thinking of selling.. 110


Phil,

Could you drop me a note.  I've been trying to respond to your post, but have been 
having all kinds of problems accessing email the past couple of days.

Thanks,

Matt


--- Phil Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 23:43:47 +0100
From: Phil Anderson 
Subject: I am thinking of selling.. 110

Hi, there been a member of this list for a while. not posted but read. I hope i am 
allowed to ask this but:

How much can I get for a 110+long life bat+ 64 meg ram, 4 gig hd, enhanced doc, xircom 
cardbus ethernet card. and charger. running win98

Is it best to put on ebay? 

if I cant get much for it, ill just keep it and find a new use for it.

Philip L Anderson 



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[LIB] More on gmail worth posting

2004-09-14 Thread Matt Hanson
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:00:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matt Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: More on gmail worth posting

  
  Presumably you have a Gmail account, 
  and do not object to Google's policies 


But many of us will not send mail to gmail.com ... 


Problem 1: Gmail is nearly immortal
Google offers 1 gig of storage, which is many times the storage offered by Yahoo or 
Hotmail, or other Internet service providers that we know about. The powerful 
searching encourages account holders to never delete anything. It takes three clicks 
to put a message into the trash, and more effort to delete this message. It's much 
easier to archive the message, or just leave it in the inbox and let the powerful 
searching keep track of it. Google admits that even deleted messages will remain on 
their system, and may also be accessible internally at Google, for an indefinite 
period of time. 
Google has been spinning their original position in press interviews, and with an 
informal page described as a few words about privacy and Gmail. When we see fresh 
material from Google, we check the modification date at the bottom of the terms-of-use 
page and privacy page for Gmail. If these dates are still April 6 and April 8, we know 
that nothing has changed. Google can modify these pages too, any way they want and 
whenever they want, unilaterally. But at least these two pages carry slightly more 
legal weight than other pages, because Google should attempt to notify users of 
significant changes in these formal policies. 
A new California law, the Online Privacy Protection Act, went into effect on July 1, 
2004. Google changed their main privacy policy that same day because the previous 
version sidestepped important issues and might have been illegal. For the first time 
in Google's history, the language in their new policy makes it clear that they will be 
pooling all the information they collect on you from all of their various services. 
Moreover, they may keep this information indefinitely, and give this information to 
whomever they wish. All that's required is for Google to have a good faith belief 
that access, preservation or disclosure of such information is reasonably necessary to 
protect the rights, property or safety of Google, its users or the public. Google, 
you may recall, already believes that as a corporation they are utterly incapable of 
bad faith. Their corporate motto is Don't be evil, and they even made sure that the 
Securities and Exchange Commission got this message in Google's
 IPO filing. 
Google's policies are essentially no different than the policies of Microsoft, Yahoo, 
Alexa and Amazon. However, these others have been spelling out their nasty policies in 
detail for years now. By way of contrast, we've had email from indignant Google fans 
who defended Google by using the old privacy language -- but while doing so they 
arrived at exactly the wrong interpretation of Google's actual position! Now those 
emails will stop, because Google's position is clear at last. It's amazing how a vague 
privacy policy, a minimalist browser interface, and an unconventional corporate 
culture have convinced so many that Google is different on issues that matter. 
 After 180 days in the U.S., email messages lose their status as a protected 
communication under the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, and become just another 
database record. This means that a subpoena instead of a warrant is all that's needed 
to force Google to produce a copy. Other countries may even lack this basic 
protection, and Google's databases are distributed all over the world. Since the 
Patriot Act was passed, it's unclear whether this ECPA protection is worth much 
anymore in the U.S., or whether it even applies to email that originates from 
non-citizens in other countries. 
 Google's relationships with government officials in all of the dozens of countries 
where they operate are a mystery, because Google never makes any statements about 
this. But here's a clue: Google uses the term governmental request three times on 
their terms-of-use page and once on their privacy page. Google's language means that 
all Gmail account holders have consented to allow Google to show any and all email in 
their Gmail accounts to any official from any government whatsoever, even when the 
request is informal or extralegal, at Google's sole discretion. Why should we send 
email to Gmail accounts under such draconian conditions? 


Problem 2: Google's policies do not apply
The phrasing and qualifiers in the Gmail privacy policy are creepy enough, but nothing 
in any of Google's policies or public statements applies to those of us who don't have 
Gmail accounts. Google has not even formally stated in their privacy policy that they 
will not keep a list of keywords scanned from incoming email, and associate these with 
the incoming email address in their database. They've said that their advertisers 
won't get personally