Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 12:51:19 -0800 (PST) From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard A super-bright drop in replacement for the L100/L110 panel that's brighter than the paltry 100 nits or so the current panel is running at, with anti-reflective film(see Libretto mailing list archives - some of us had bought the custom plastic, apply-it-yourself antireflective LCD film and our Librettos look better now - better contrast, darker blacks Optiview sold by www.polarvision.com a division of dupont http://www.dupont.com/displays/solutions/html/products/pdfs/optiview.pdf http://www.dupont.com/displays/solutions/html/products/displayfilms.htm http://www.technoir.nu/libretto/list/2002/msg03558.html http://www.technoir.nu/libretto/list/2002/msg03748.html http://www.polarvision.com/html/products/guide_pdfs/Toshiba_058381.pdf ) is a sure buy for me! (we're talking drop in here - custom solidering and cutting and so forth is just way too much work for most users). I've seen panels go to 200-300+ nits on the latest Libretto-sized panels, so that would make the L110 a really nice GPS unit for daylight use. (Although thank goodness for the antireflective film I applied on my L110! It makes it just readable enough with the current display to use in daylight in a car.) I'd probably spend $300 or so on a drop-in super-bright panel for the L110. It's a nice machine as it is for my use (web, email, gps), and I'd love to have a screen that'll knock the daylights out of the next laptop. Of course, I wonder how that would affect the power subsystem of the Libretto and how much it would overtax it (those LCD panels are hungry monsters!) --- = adorable toshiba libretto The latest news and information for the Toshiba Libretto owner. http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 12:15:16 -0800 From: PhotoEngineering [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard I'll be using the P-M/P4 mobile coupled with FPGAs. It'll run x86 OSes. If you want to start a mailing list go ahead. I won't be releasing any proprietary info but the board will be reprogrammable so it can be used in different applications. Like I said from the start the board itself is generic, it can simply be made in the L form factor at a extra cost which I am still finding out but for this I need to sell enough to make up the difference. I will make custom boards but it will require upwards of 1000 or more boards minimum order or a nice big fat check:-). From what I have gathered there simply will not be enough Libretto customers to do anything custom (more-so than making it the right size and providing the proper connections and voltages) to do anything more for it. Such as the dock--there probably will not be a dock port--or if there is it'll be for other applications--although if there is a port it could be used as a dock. As far as bugs and such those will be handled but it'll be done through the standard customer service channels. This won't be some hacked together piece of shit just dumped out with us saying lots of luck after you've bought one:-). I doubt the design will be for sale though. For that there are plenty of other companies to approach Asus, IBM, Toshiba, Micro Industries if a person wants custom boards to release under the GPL license. They will charge a engineering fee for it but if a person wants to release something or have something released under GPL its better if you own the product. Heh--almost everyone I know is neither communist nor socialist, including myself, so we need to pay our own way--doesn't leave much room for freebies:-). But anyway--there will not be much more commented on this for a few months--by me anyway--you can start looking for more info after May-June or so. I only posted the oringinal message since I was wondering whether there'd be enough interest to produce this--seems to be--since I'd love to upgrade my own Libretto with one too!! I'll have a page on the PhotoEngineering web site around then with more information. You'll be able to email sales there with questions and comments and wish lists. Actually I WILL be very interested in reading wish lists on this around then so feel free. Another thing I'd like to know is whether people would be interested in a transflective TFT LCD to replace the old one. Be great on battery life and for outdoor use. Also whether people would be interested in white LED backlighting instead of the present CCFL. John [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 08:45 PM 12/3/03, you wrote: Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 05:37:43 +0100 From: Miernik [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 05:31:32PM -0800, PhotoEngineering wrote: a little snippage ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest ** --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.541 / Virus Database: 335 - Release Date: 11/14/03
Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 05:37:43 +0100 From: Miernik [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 05:31:32PM -0800, PhotoEngineering wrote: Could we start a public project on this mailing list to design the schematics of the mainboard, that interested participants (who want to order on of the 200 mainboards), can propose design changes, patches, etc? I'm sorry but it would be too expensive for me at this time. On the order of 10,000 main boards I could afford it but not for 200. It won't cost you anything more. I'm not asking you to produce a different version for different people. Maybe you misunderstood me. I'm only asking that you release the schematics of he board to the public before you make it, so people can contribute, fix bugs, etc. You may use their suggestions, or not if you don't like them. But it won't make your project more expensive. It may only help. You where writing about the cost of BIOS for example. If you release your board design under GPL or something similar, me or someone else from the LinuxBIOS hackers will port LInuxBIOS to the board, so you don't have to buy expensive licensed BIOS from AWARD or Phoenix. What chipset do you plan to use on the mainboard? I plan on using FPGAs Did you see this: http://www.opencores.org/projects/ Here is an open-source PowerPC board: ftp://www.openh.org/openHfiles/gemppc/Mechanical_Form_Factor_0-2.pdf ftp://www.openh.org/openHfiles/gemppc/rev0-2_picture1.jpg ftp://www.openh.org/openHfiles/gemppc/ The cost is 138.20 USD As I understand from the mainling list, they didn't do hundreds of these, only a few. They use IBM PowerPC 405GP processor on this board: http://www-306.ibm.com/chips/techlib/techlib.nsf/products/PowerPC_405GP_Embedded_Processor When it runs at 200 MHz, has a bogomips of around 198. That's an equivalent of Intel Pentium 100 MHz. PCB, and then people could manufacture mainboards in their own countries. It would also make possible to have different versions of the board, like some might want to have CF sockets, others additional USB. So they could modify the design by themselves, and produce the board they need in a PCB printing shop. Too expensive. But that's the problem of the person which will order etching 1 copyof the board, and not yours. You are just releasing the design, it won't cost you anything more. From what I understood this didn't work. It did work, people actually did build these. But not much people are interested in 486 mono CGA computers :( -- Miernik jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___/__ tel: +48608233394 __/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] No Iraq war http://www.globalexchange.org/campaigns/iraq/invadeIraq082702.html Please call the White House +1-202-456- or fax +1-202-456-2461 and say no! ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:45:44 +0100 From: Miernik [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard Hi all. I'm very interested in the projest of one person here to create a new mainboard for an old Toshiba Libretto. The reason I'm interested, is that I need to create a laptop with a build in GPS and GSM devices. I want to have them integrated internally, best somewhere on the mainboard, and have a custom BIOS program to control the GPS and GSM cooperation, so that would be independent of the operating system installed. Here is a projest of a free, open source BIOS replacement, that could be used in this design: http://www.linuxbios.org/ Questions to PhotoEngineering John: Could we start a public project on this mailing list to design the schematics of the mainboard, that interested participants (who want to order on of the 200 mainboards), can propose design changes, patches, etc? What chipset do you plan to use on the mainboard? How many layers would have the board? The reason I ask, is that we could together design the schematics and PCB, and then people could manufacture mainboards in their own countries. It would also make possible to have different versions of the board, like some might want to have CF sockets, others additional USB. So they could modify the design by themselves, and produce the board they need in a PCB printing shop. A similar project of a 486, mono-LCD-CGA based palmtop, was the Morphy-One: http://ms-n.org/DataSheets/MorphyOne/ http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/plaza/aj93/waggy/hp/features/morphyone.htm http://www.page.sannet.ne.jp/t_nakagawa/mo1.htm http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.page.sannet.ne.jp%2Ft_nakagawa%2Fmo1.htmlp=ja_entt=url I have also thought of using these motherboards in laptops, but they are very high (2*USB+RJ45), so it would not fit in a laptop case. http://www.mini-itx.com/news/computex2003-1/ Or the Via EPIA MII http://www.mini-itx.com/news/images/story0277.jpg regards, Jan Macek -- Miernik jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___/__ tel: +48608233394 __/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Truth about Bush's military operations: http://www.TruthAboutWar.org/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:53:31 -0500 From: Lewin A.R.W. Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard I'm very interested in the projest of one person here to create a new mainboard for an old Toshiba Libretto. I think it would make much better sense to use an XScale and forget about trying to build a new x86-based motherboard. You could probably fit an existing XScale module right in the housing, and interfacing to the keyboard and other peripherals isn't outrageously difficult. Most important, you would have decent battery life and no thermal problems. For instance, look at www.compulab.co.il - they have very reasonably priced XScale CPU modules with most of what you need integrated, and all you would need to do is design a baseboard that would fit in the Libretto's internal cavity. Other vendors, such as Advantech (www.advantech.com) have off-the-shelf XScale-based SOM products with similar form factor to Compulab's. Going this route you leverage someone else's hard work engineering all the really difficult high-speed parts, and more important you ride their higher-volume pricing. build in GPS and GSM devices. I want to have them integrated internally, best somewhere on the mainboard, and have a custom BIOS If you attempt to integrate a GSM subsystem, unless it is a preconstructed sealed module, you will need to submit the entire device for type approval (figure ~US$10,000 for testing fees, plus several giveaway units). The only way of getting GSM connectivity without requiring this is to use an off-the-shelf module, which will have its own self-contained operating system independent of the computer. -- Lewin A.R.W. Edwards (http://www.zws.com/) Learn how to develop high-end embedded systems on a tight budget! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0750676094/zws-20 ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 16:04:42 -0800 From: PhotoEngineering [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard At 09:53 AM 12/2/03, you wrote: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:45:44 +0100 From: Miernik [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard Questions to PhotoEngineering John: Could we start a public project on this mailing list to design the schematics of the mainboard, that interested participants (who want to order on of the 200 mainboards), can propose design changes, patches, etc? I'm sorry but it would be too expensive for me at this time. On the order of 10,000 main boards I could afford it but not for 200. What chipset do you plan to use on the mainboard? I plan on using FPGAs How many layers would have the board? around 7-10 at least. The reason I ask, is that we could together design the schematics and PCB, and then people could manufacture mainboards in their own countries. It would also make possible to have different versions of the board, like some might want to have CF sockets, others additional USB. So they could modify the design by themselves, and produce the board they need in a PCB printing shop. Too expensive. A similar project of a 486, mono-LCD-CGA based palmtop, was the Morphy-One: http://ms-n.org/DataSheets/MorphyOne/ http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/plaza/aj93/waggy/hp/features/morphyone.htm http://www.page.sannet.ne.jp/t_nakagawa/mo1.htm http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.page.sannet.ne.jp%2Ft_nakagawa%2Fmo1.htmlp=ja_entt=url From what I understood this didn't work. John [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have also thought of using these motherboards in laptops, but they are very high (2*USB+RJ45), so it would not fit in a laptop case. http://www.mini-itx.com/news/computex2003-1/ Or the Via EPIA MII http://www.mini-itx.com/news/images/story0277.jpg regards, Jan Macek -- Miernik jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___/__ tel: +48608233394 __/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Truth about Bush's military operations: http://www.TruthAboutWar.org/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest ** --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.541 / Virus Database: 335 - Release Date: 11/14/03 ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest ** --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.541 / Virus Database: 335 - Release Date: 11/14/03
RE: [LIB] CPU Motherboard
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 04:45:32 -0600 From: Lines, Nick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] CPU Motherboard John, I'm definitely interested. Let us know what you need to proceed! Cheers, Nick. ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 7:57:42 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard From: Fran [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/11/06 Thu AM 01:55:47 GMT To: Libretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 14:51:24 +1300 From: Fran [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard Very interested... I love my libby but this sounds great! 'Snot gonna work in my 70s, though :( Neil - Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 19:24:06 +0100 From: Paul Bristow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard I'd be interested too, but don't tell the wife. :-) PhotoEngineering wrote: Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 04:39:17 -0800 From: PhotoEngineering [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CPU Motherboard I have an opportunity to develop a x86 mainboard. I can make it the correct form factor and with keyboard, sound, sdram, video, cardbus pcmcia, eide (and sata), battery; either pci, isa and 2 usb 2.0 or straight usb 2.0 bus plus acpi support to fit the L-series. It would also have line in, line out, plus analog video in and out . It would have a socketable cpu so a mobile p-4 or M would be dropped in. What it would not have is the docking port, IRDA, or wireless network. You'd have to do those yourself if you wanted them. They would be quite expensive and a person would have to supply his own cpu which will run an additional 250-300. Chances are the dram won't be on the board either so you'd have to supply a memory module too. But it'd be a standard sodimm or dimm. What I'm curious about is if there is enough interest to offer some of these up for sale as a Libretto mainboard replacement. There usually are a few posts here asking if there is a mainboard replacement and the mmx is kind of slow. I'd need to be able to sell at least 200 to make it worth my while. John ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest ** -- Paul Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web:http://paulbristow.net ICQ:11965223 ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
RE: [LIB] CPU Motherboard
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 22:02:30 +0100 From: Tristan Koningszoon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] CPU Motherboard Sounds interesting! Pls keep me informed! Rds, Jeroen. -Original Message- From: PhotoEngineering [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: woensdag 5 november 2003 1:55 To: Libretto Subject: [LIB] CPU Motherboard Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 04:39:17 -0800 From: PhotoEngineering [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CPU Motherboard I have an opportunity to develop a x86 mainboard. I can make it the correct form factor and with keyboard, sound, sdram, video, cardbus pcmcia, eide (and sata), battery; either pci, isa and 2 usb 2.0 or straight usb 2.0 bus plus acpi support to fit the L-series. It would also have line in, line out, plus analog video in and out . It would have a socketable cpu so a mobile p-4 or M would be dropped in. What it would not have is the docking port, IRDA, or wireless network. You'd have to do those yourself if you wanted them. They would be quite expensive and a person would have to supply his own cpu which will run an additional 250-300. Chances are the dram won't be on the board either so you'd have to supply a memory module too. But it'd be a standard sodimm or dimm. What I'm curious about is if there is enough interest to offer some of these up for sale as a Libretto mainboard replacement. There usually are a few posts here asking if there is a mainboard replacement and the mmx is kind of slow. I'd need to be able to sell at least 200 to make it worth my while. John ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest ** ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 00:41:28 -0500 From: Allen Berge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard I would be interested. Is it possible? - Original Message - From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Libretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:43:15 -0800 (PST) From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard I have an opportunity to develop a x86 mainboard. I can make it the correct form factor and with keyboard, sound, sdram, video, cardbus pcmcia, eide there is enough interest to offer some of these up for sale as a Libretto mainboard replacement. There usually are a few posts here asking if there is a mainboard replacement and the mmx is kind of slow. I'd need to be able to sell at least 200 to make it worth my while. H, and pricing, too. Sounds exactly like what a JVC Interlink XP7310 is - a faster, better Libretto in the same weight and form factor - albeit at $2000+. http://www.jvc-victor.co.jp/interlink/xp/ I'd pony up to $500 or so just to give a new MB a whirl, just to see what can be done, but above that, you'll get right into 1) a new 15 laptop range of $600-1000, 2) a used Interlink XP (ruuning 1Ghz PIII) for $700-1200, etc. = adorable toshiba libretto The latest news and information for the Toshiba Libretto owner. http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest ** ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
RE: [LIB] CPU Motherboard
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 09:24:40 - From: Steven Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] CPU Motherboard I could be interested too, would like to see proposed pictures board layout out and specs thought Steven Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: PhotoEngineering [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 November 2003 00:55 To: Libretto Subject: [LIB] CPU Motherboard Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 04:39:17 -0800 From: PhotoEngineering [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CPU Motherboard I have an opportunity to develop a x86 mainboard. I can make it the correct form factor and with keyboard, sound, sdram, video, cardbus pcmcia, eide (and sata), battery; either pci, isa and 2 usb 2.0 or straight usb 2.0 bus plus acpi support to fit the L-series. It would also have line in, line out, plus analog video in and out . It would have a socketable cpu so a mobile p-4 or M would be dropped in. What it would not have is the docking port, IRDA, or wireless network. You'd have to do those yourself if you wanted them. They would be quite expensive and a person would have to supply his own cpu which will run an additional 250-300. Chances are the dram won't be on the board either so you'd have to supply a memory module too. But it'd be a standard sodimm or dimm. What I'm curious about is if there is enough interest to offer some of these up for sale as a Libretto mainboard replacement. There usually are a few posts here asking if there is a mainboard replacement and the mmx is kind of slow. I'd need to be able to sell at least 200 to make it worth my while. John ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest ** ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
RE: [LIB] CPU Motherboard
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 09:43:59 + From: GEORGES PITROPAKIS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] CPU Motherboard The same thing for me : I would like to know more about the price and specs. I wish you could find 200 persons interested but it seems quite challenging to me. Thanks for your efforts anyway. From: Steven Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Libretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Libretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] CPU Motherboard Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 02:32:47 -0700 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 09:24:40 - From: Steven Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] CPU Motherboard I could be interested too, would like to see proposed pictures board layout out and specs thought Steven Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: PhotoEngineering [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 November 2003 00:55 To: Libretto Subject: [LIB] CPU Motherboard Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 04:39:17 -0800 From: PhotoEngineering [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CPU Motherboard I have an opportunity to develop a x86 mainboard. I can make it the correct form factor and with keyboard, sound, sdram, video, cardbus pcmcia, eide (and sata), battery; either pci, isa and 2 usb 2.0 or straight usb 2.0 bus plus acpi support to fit the L-series. It would also have line in, line out, plus analog video in and out . It would have a socketable cpu so a mobile p-4 or M would be dropped in. What it would not have is the docking port, IRDA, or wireless network. You'd have to do those yourself if you wanted them. They would be quite expensive and a person would have to supply his own cpu which will run an additional 250-300. Chances are the dram won't be on the board either so you'd have to supply a memory module too. But it'd be a standard sodimm or dimm. What I'm curious about is if there is enough interest to offer some of these up for sale as a Libretto mainboard replacement. There usually are a few posts here asking if there is a mainboard replacement and the mmx is kind of slow. I'd need to be able to sell at least 200 to make it worth my while. John ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest ** ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest ** _ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 11:18:15 +0100 From: fjve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard Same for me and my L110 too: interested in price and specs Especially the Socketable cpu;standard memory module;heat seems quite challenging given the small space available Are there any numbers available how many Libretto's are still around? Frans Verhaag GEORGES PITROPAKIS wrote: Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 09:43:59 + From: GEORGES PITROPAKIS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] CPU Motherboard The same thing for me : I would like to know more about the price and specs. I wish you could find 200 persons interested but it seems quite challenging to me. Thanks for your efforts anyway. From: Steven Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Libretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Libretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] CPU Motherboard Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 02:32:47 -0700 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 09:24:40 - From: Steven Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] CPU Motherboard I could be interested too, would like to see proposed pictures board layout out and specs thought Steven Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: PhotoEngineering [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 November 2003 00:55 To: Libretto Subject: [LIB] CPU Motherboard Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 04:39:17 -0800 From: PhotoEngineering [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CPU Motherboard I have an opportunity to develop a x86 mainboard. I can make it the correct form factor and with keyboard, sound, sdram, video, cardbus pcmcia, eide (and sata), battery; either pci, isa and 2 usb 2.0 or straight usb 2.0 bus plus acpi support to fit the L-series. It would also have line in, line out, plus analog video in and out . It would have a socketable cpu so a mobile p-4 or M would be dropped in. What it would not have is the docking port, IRDA, or wireless network. You'd have to do those yourself if you wanted them. They would be quite expensive and a person would have to supply his own cpu which will run an additional 250-300. Chances are the dram won't be on the board either so you'd have to supply a memory module too. But it'd be a standard sodimm or dimm. What I'm curious about is if there is enough interest to offer some of these up for sale as a Libretto mainboard replacement. There usually are a few posts here asking if there is a mainboard replacement and the mmx is kind of slow. I'd need to be able to sell at least 200 to make it worth my while. John ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest ** ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest ** _ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest ** ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:32:18 +0100 (CET) From: Wouter Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard John, Sounds good! However I too think 200 will be a big challenge and of course this is heavily dependant on costs. I love my little Libretto, but sometimes wish it was a little faster and had USB on board (still can't get my USB2.0 pccard to work). Please keep us updated! Regards, Wouter fjve said: Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 11:18:15 +0100 From: fjve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard Same for me and my L110 too: interested in price and specs Especially the Socketable cpu;standard memory module;heat seems quite challenging given the small space available Are there any numbers available how many Libretto's are still around? Frans Verhaag GEORGES PITROPAKIS wrote: Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 09:43:59 + From: GEORGES PITROPAKIS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] CPU Motherboard The same thing for me : I would like to know more about the price and specs. I wish you could find 200 persons interested but it seems quite challenging to me. Thanks for your efforts anyway. From: Steven Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Libretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Libretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] CPU Motherboard Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 02:32:47 -0700 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 09:24:40 - From: Steven Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] CPU Motherboard I could be interested too, would like to see proposed pictures board layout out and specs thought Steven Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: PhotoEngineering [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 November 2003 00:55 To: Libretto Subject: [LIB] CPU Motherboard Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 04:39:17 -0800 From: PhotoEngineering [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CPU Motherboard I have an opportunity to develop a x86 mainboard. I can make it the correct form factor and with keyboard, sound, sdram, video, cardbus pcmcia, eide (and sata), battery; either pci, isa and 2 usb 2.0 or straight usb 2.0 bus plus acpi support to fit the L-series. It would also have line in, line out, plus analog video in and out . It would have a socketable cpu so a mobile p-4 or M would be dropped in. What it would not have is the docking port, IRDA, or wireless network. You'd have to do those yourself if you wanted them. They would be quite expensive and a person would have to supply his own cpu which will run an additional 250-300. Chances are the dram won't be on the board either so you'd have to supply a memory module too. But it'd be a standard sodimm or dimm. What I'm curious about is if there is enough interest to offer some of these up for sale as a Libretto mainboard replacement. There usually are a few posts here asking if there is a mainboard replacement and the mmx is kind of slow. I'd need to be able to sell at least 200 to make it worth my while. John ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest ** ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest ** _ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest ** ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages
Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 19:10:28 -0800 From: PhotoEngineering [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard Anyway, as of now I really can't produce even initial specs although what I am thinking is a max cpu speed of 1.4GHz adjustable down to 600MHz (I believe the P-M can do that not sure about the P4), System bus around 200-400MHz, Memory- whatever module you pick, video ram- either a minimum of 8 meg on board or it would be designed to use system ram. The system, memory, ata, sata, pcmcia controller would probably be a PGA system so completely upgradable. I think as far as price--a person could expect to pay about 300 for the board (just guessing here but about 3-5 times what a desktop motherboard runs.), 250 for cpu, 100 for 1 gig memory module . Price really depends on what ICs and bios used. Battery life--should be about the same as you have now -3-4 hours. Might even be a little better. John [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 04:38 AM 11/5/2003, you wrote: Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:32:18 +0100 (CET) From: Wouter Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard John, Sounds good! However I too think 200 will be a big challenge and of course this is heavily dependant on costs. I love my little Libretto, but sometimes wish it was a little faster and had USB on board (still can't get my USB2.0 pccard to work). Please keep us updated! Regards, Wouter fjve said: Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 11:18:15 +0100 From: fjve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard Same for me and my L110 too: interested in price and specs Especially the Socketable cpu;standard memory module;heat seems quite challenging given the small space available Are there any numbers available how many Libretto's are still around? Frans Verhaag GEORGES PITROPAKIS wrote: Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 09:43:59 + From: GEORGES PITROPAKIS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] CPU Motherboard The same thing for me : I would like to know more about the price and specs. I wish you could find 200 persons interested but it seems quite challenging to me. Thanks for your efforts anyway. From: Steven Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Libretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Libretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] CPU Motherboard Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 02:32:47 -0700 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 09:24:40 - From: Steven Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] CPU Motherboard I could be interested too, would like to see proposed pictures board layout out and specs thought Steven Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: PhotoEngineering [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 November 2003 00:55 To: Libretto Subject: [LIB] CPU Motherboard Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 04:39:17 -0800 From: PhotoEngineering [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CPU Motherboard I have an opportunity to develop a x86 mainboard. I can make it the correct form factor and with keyboard, sound, sdram, video, cardbus pcmcia, eide (and sata), battery; either pci, isa and 2 usb 2.0 or straight usb 2.0 bus plus acpi support to fit the L-series. It would also have line in, line out, plus analog video in and out . It would have a socketable cpu so a mobile p-4 or M would be dropped in. What it would not have is the docking port, IRDA, or wireless network. You'd have to do those yourself if you wanted them. They would be quite expensive and a person would have to supply his own cpu which will run an additional 250-300. Chances are the dram won't be on the board either so you'd have to supply a memory module too. But it'd be a standard sodimm or dimm. What I'm curious about is if there is enough interest to offer some of these up for sale as a Libretto mainboard replacement. There usually are a few posts here asking if there is a mainboard replacement and the mmx is kind of slow. I'd need to be able to sell at least 200 to make it worth my while. John ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest ** ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject
Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 17:12:38 + From: GEORGES PITROPAKIS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard Hello John, Many of us (I think) see the day they will stop using their libretto as a dark one. If one could make it run at 600 mhz it would give it a second life with new applications possible. I would hear that as a miracle actually. Let us know. Thanks George From: PhotoEngineering [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Libretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Libretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 09:54:48 -0700 Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 19:10:28 -0800 From: PhotoEngineering [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard Anyway, as of now I really can't produce even initial specs although what I am thinking is a max cpu speed of 1.4GHz adjustable down to 600MHz (I believe the P-M can do that not sure about the P4), System bus around 200-400MHz, Memory- whatever module you pick, video ram- either a minimum of 8 meg on board or it would be designed to use system ram. The system, memory, ata, sata, pcmcia controller would probably be a PGA system so completely upgradable. I think as far as price--a person could expect to pay about 300 for the board (just guessing here but about 3-5 times what a desktop motherboard runs.), 250 for cpu, 100 for 1 gig memory module . Price really depends on what ICs and bios used. Battery life--should be about the same as you have now -3-4 hours. Might even be a little better. John [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 04:38 AM 11/5/2003, you wrote: Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:32:18 +0100 (CET) From: Wouter Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard John, Sounds good! However I too think 200 will be a big challenge and of course this is heavily dependant on costs. I love my little Libretto, but sometimes wish it was a little faster and had USB on board (still can't get my USB2.0 pccard to work). Please keep us updated! Regards, Wouter fjve said: Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 11:18:15 +0100 From: fjve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard Same for me and my L110 too: interested in price and specs Especially the Socketable cpu;standard memory module;heat seems quite challenging given the small space available Are there any numbers available how many Libretto's are still around? Frans Verhaag GEORGES PITROPAKIS wrote: Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 09:43:59 + From: GEORGES PITROPAKIS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] CPU Motherboard The same thing for me : I would like to know more about the price and specs. I wish you could find 200 persons interested but it seems quite challenging to me. Thanks for your efforts anyway. From: Steven Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Libretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Libretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] CPU Motherboard Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 02:32:47 -0700 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 09:24:40 - From: Steven Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] CPU Motherboard I could be interested too, would like to see proposed pictures board layout out and specs thought Steven Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: PhotoEngineering [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 November 2003 00:55 To: Libretto Subject: [LIB] CPU Motherboard Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 04:39:17 -0800 From: PhotoEngineering [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CPU Motherboard I have an opportunity to develop a x86 mainboard. I can make it the correct form factor and with keyboard, sound, sdram, video, cardbus pcmcia, eide (and sata), battery; either pci, isa and 2 usb 2.0 or straight usb 2.0 bus plus acpi support to fit the L-series. It would also have line in, line out, plus analog video in and out . It would have a socketable cpu so a mobile p-4 or M would be dropped in. What it would not have is the docking port, IRDA, or wireless network. You'd have to do those yourself if you wanted them. They would be quite expensive and a person would have to supply his own cpu which will run an additional 250-300. Chances are the dram won't be on the board either so you'd have to supply a memory module too. But it'd be a standard sodimm or dimm. What I'm curious about is if there is enough interest to offer some of these up for sale as a Libretto mainboard replacement. There usually are a few posts here asking if there is a mainboard replacement and the mmx is kind of slow. I'd need to be able to sell at least 200 to make it worth my while. John ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line
Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 23:07:26 -0800 From: PhotoEngineering [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard George Running a Pentium-M at 600 is no problem. I looked more closely at the specs on it and it'll run at 200MHz all the way to the max of the cpu that is being used. So that is how it'll be set up in the bios. I'm thinking of designing for the 1.4GHz MPU. Personally I don't want to get rid of my Libretto and considering the case, screen, mouse, and keyboard work just fine for me its just a matter of a cpu board. The pinouts, voltages and speeds of the display and keyboard are widely known; Pentium M motherboards are already availible in just a little larger size than the one we use so it seems its just a matter of making one to the right size and supplying the correct feed for the display and keyboard. The display cable socket may be kind of a beast to obtain but I don't think so. Plus the greatest adavantage with the Libretto is Toshiba supplied a really good heat sink for the cpu!! So--I'm looking into it and getting prices. It won't have all the bells like wireless nw and accelerated video and all the destop junk but it'll work and with a 1.4GHz socktable cpu and standard dram I would think you'd be passing your Libretto on to your kids!! I'll bet it'll even have a good battery life!! John [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 09:18 AM 11/5/2003, you wrote: Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 17:12:38 + From: GEORGES PITROPAKIS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard Hello John, Many of us (I think) see the day they will stop using their libretto as a dark one. If one could make it run at 600 mhz it would give it a second life with new applications possible. I would hear that as a miracle actually. Let us know. Thanks George From: PhotoEngineering [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Libretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Libretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 09:54:48 -0700 Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 19:10:28 -0800 From: PhotoEngineering [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard Anyway, as of now I really can't produce even initial specs although what I am thinking is a max cpu speed of 1.4GHz adjustable down to 600MHz (I believe the P-M can do that not sure about the P4), System bus around 200-400MHz, Memory- whatever module you pick, video ram- either a minimum of 8 meg on board or it would be designed to use system ram. The system, memory, ata, sata, pcmcia controller would probably be a PGA system so completely upgradable. I think as far as price--a person could expect to pay about 300 for the board (just guessing here but about 3-5 times what a desktop motherboard runs.), 250 for cpu, 100 for 1 gig memory module . Price really depends on what ICs and bios used. Battery life--should be about the same as you have now -3-4 hours. Might even be a little better. John [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 04:38 AM 11/5/2003, you wrote: Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:32:18 +0100 (CET) From: Wouter Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard John, Sounds good! However I too think 200 will be a big challenge and of course this is heavily dependant on costs. I love my little Libretto, but sometimes wish it was a little faster and had USB on board (still can't get my USB2.0 pccard to work). Please keep us updated! Regards, Wouter fjve said: Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 11:18:15 +0100 From: fjve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard Same for me and my L110 too: interested in price and specs Especially the Socketable cpu;standard memory module;heat seems quite challenging given the small space available Are there any numbers available how many Libretto's are still around? Frans Verhaag GEORGES PITROPAKIS wrote: Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 09:43:59 + From: GEORGES PITROPAKIS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] CPU Motherboard The same thing for me : I would like to know more about the price and specs. I wish you could find 200 persons interested but it seems quite challenging to me. Thanks for your efforts anyway. From: Steven Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Libretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Libretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] CPU Motherboard Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 02:32:47 -0700 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 09:24:40 - From: Steven Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] CPU Motherboard I could be interested too, would like to see proposed pictures board layout out and specs thought Steven Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: PhotoEngineering [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 November 2003 00:55 To: Libretto Subject: [LIB] CPU Motherboard Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 04:39:17 -0800 From: PhotoEngineering [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CPU Motherboard I have an opportunity to develop a x86 mainboard. I can make it the correct form factor and with keyboard, sound, sdram, video, cardbus pcmcia, eide (and sata), battery; either pci, isa and 2 usb 2.0
Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 14:32:43 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard If you could pull off the motherboard for $200 bucks, where does the line form? John ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 14:51:24 +1300 From: Fran [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard Very interested... I love my libby but this sounds great! Fran :):):) ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
[LIB] CPU Motherboard
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 04:39:17 -0800 From: PhotoEngineering [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CPU Motherboard I have an opportunity to develop a x86 mainboard. I can make it the correct form factor and with keyboard, sound, sdram, video, cardbus pcmcia, eide (and sata), battery; either pci, isa and 2 usb 2.0 or straight usb 2.0 bus plus acpi support to fit the L-series. It would also have line in, line out, plus analog video in and out . It would have a socketable cpu so a mobile p-4 or M would be dropped in. What it would not have is the docking port, IRDA, or wireless network. You'd have to do those yourself if you wanted them. They would be quite expensive and a person would have to supply his own cpu which will run an additional 250-300. Chances are the dram won't be on the board either so you'd have to supply a memory module too. But it'd be a standard sodimm or dimm. What I'm curious about is if there is enough interest to offer some of these up for sale as a Libretto mainboard replacement. There usually are a few posts here asking if there is a mainboard replacement and the mmx is kind of slow. I'd need to be able to sell at least 200 to make it worth my while. John ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:43:15 -0800 (PST) From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] CPU Motherboard I have an opportunity to develop a x86 mainboard. I can make it the correct form factor and with keyboard, sound, sdram, video, cardbus pcmcia, eide there is enough interest to offer some of these up for sale as a Libretto mainboard replacement. There usually are a few posts here asking if there is a mainboard replacement and the mmx is kind of slow. I'd need to be able to sell at least 200 to make it worth my while. H, and pricing, too. Sounds exactly like what a JVC Interlink XP7310 is - a faster, better Libretto in the same weight and form factor - albeit at $2000+. http://www.jvc-victor.co.jp/interlink/xp/ I'd pony up to $500 or so just to give a new MB a whirl, just to see what can be done, but above that, you'll get right into 1) a new 15 laptop range of $600-1000, 2) a used Interlink XP (ruuning 1Ghz PIII) for $700-1200, etc. = adorable toshiba libretto The latest news and information for the Toshiba Libretto owner. http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
RE: [LIB] CPU Motherboard
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:31:49 +0800 From: Quirinus Olsthoorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] CPU Motherboard Yes I would be interested. I want to use my L110 (I have docks small and large and pc USB 2 card - maybe this could be an alternative to to building one in) I want to run an ocean navigation programme ( Maxsea) and the 233 is rather too slow for seamless chart change. q.olsthoorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ - Archives ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
