Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT

2002-11-01 Thread barnacle
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:48:02 +
From: barnacle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT

On Friday 01 Nov 2002 4:16 am, you wrote:
> Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 04:09:26 +
> From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>
> Maybe I ought to find list where problems relating specifically
> to audio recording and playback are discussed.  I'm suspecting
> that even the various HDDs may enter the picture.  As I've
> mentioned, one HDD I have starts clicking after it runs a while
> and gets a bit hot.  I'm wondering if it's possible that an over
> heated HDD could suddenly loose data transfer speed, and this
> these tiny clicks, or dropouts.

Any HD as it heats could drop into an autocalibrate mode to 
reposition the head properly. Time was (when I were but a lad) that 
one could get special AV drives guaranteed not to do this but I 
suspect those days are past.

Neil





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Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT

2002-10-31 Thread Matthew Hanson
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 04:09:26 +
From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In a message dated 10/31/02 8:18:42 PM Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> Lee,
>
>  Did you ever find out what was causing your audio noise, encoding >  or 
 playback of MP3s?
>
>  Matt
>
>
There was so much information and so many suggestions that I'll need some 
uninterrupted time (who has that?) to try them all in a systematic way - so 
I guess the answer to your question is no.

I doubt that encoding is the problem, as the noise does not occur at the 
same point(s) in consecutive playbacks of the same file.

Well... David got this WavJammer sound card working fairly well, but it 
still creates these tiny little clicks in recorded files.  I've found that 
these clicks can indeed orrur both in record and playback of audio.  I 
recall calling Philips support to figure out why their CD-R/RW drive was 
inserting these same little clicks into copies of music CDs.  He had me 
tweak sound driver settings, CD burning software settings, and driver 
settings for the CD-ROM and CD-R/RW drive, and the problem went away.

Maybe I ought to find list where problems relating specifically to audio 
recording and playback are discussed.  I'm suspecting that even the various 
HDDs may enter the picture.  As I've mentioned, one HDD I have starts 
clicking after it runs a while and gets a bit hot.  I'm wondering if it's 
possible that an over heated HDD could suddenly loose data transfer speed, 
and this these tiny clicks, or dropouts.

Matt


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Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT

2002-10-31 Thread RSchw74573
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 22:27:25 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT

In a message dated 10/31/02 8:18:42 PM Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> Lee,
>  
>  Did you ever find out what was causing your audio noise, encoding or 
>  playback of MP3s?
>  
>  Matt
>  
>  
There was so much information and so many suggestions that I'll need some 
uninterrupted time (who has that?) to try them all in a systematic way - so I 
guess the answer to your question is no.

I doubt that encoding is the problem, as the noise does not occur at the same 
point(s) in consecutive playbacks of the same file.

Lee



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Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT

2002-10-31 Thread Matthew Hanson
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 03:17:35 +
From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT

Lee,

Did you ever find out what was causing your audio noise, encoding or 
playback of MP3s?

Matt


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In a message dated 10/31/02 3:45:25 PM Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> > Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 13:31:53 -0800 (PST)
>  > From: David Chien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  > Subject: Re: [LIB] Valvoline SynPower Penetrating Lubricant
>  >
>  > The Valvoline stuff, even though it puts out an odor that takes
>  > forever to dissipate, works fine in my HP m820e.  Just used the
>  > straw, dropped a few drops over the rails, moved the heads back
>  > and forth by the gears a few times to get total coverage, and
>  > that was it.  Working fine ever since.
>
>  You might find a teflon lubricant in drop form in a gun shop. ISTR
>  that they were sold in the UK for air rifles and pistols because
>  they didn't diesel. OTOH I've never been in a US gun shop, they
>  might consider air weapons beneath their contempt.
>
>  Neil
>
Well since the topic's been broached, there is a very good light gun oil -
Break-Free CLP - which used to be mil-spec, don't know if it is anymore.  
It
has the dreaded petroleum distillates, but also teflon. I use it for
everything, and it has not yet caused any damage to plastic parts.  Also a
product called Rem-Oil, made by Remington.  Same kind of formulation.  I
would stay away from WD-40.  It is great stuff for certain applications, 
but
its lubricant is quite volatile, and won't provide lasting lubrication.

And Neil, there is a great following here for air weapons, although you're
right, the US gun shops typically don't specialize in them.

Lee


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Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT

2002-10-18 Thread Raymond
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 19:22:59 +0800
From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT

At 02:48 AM 18/10/2002 -0700, you wrote:

Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:42:45 +0300
From: Vitaly Pavlenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT

Raymond!

> (I did a few test runs on how long it'd take to drain the battery on the
> various settings when I first got it and going from full to halfway made
> about 5 minutes difference and from halfway to all throttled back made
> about 1 minute difference).

A bit strange to hear that from you :). How much is 1 minute? What was the 
lib doing during the test? How much was the CPU power (MIPS, whatever) for 
each setting?

I always assumed that there was no reason for anything but full power CPU 
setting if you are using NT/Win2K or Win9x + CPU idling software. That is 
no reason at all. Am I wrong?

All tests were done with a standard Win98SE setup with all Toshiba power 
saving drivers active (ie. hairy lightbulb), no CPU idling and Winamp 
playing in a loop with full quality (so the CPU and hard drives don't get a 
chance to sleep) and the screen set to be always on and on full brightness. 
I spent a weekend performing these tests when I first got my L100 using a 
variety of settings so I could get some idea of how accurate that battery 
meter was.

I was surprised with the result as well, it would seem that throttling the 
CPU back, at least when it's doing something that'll keep it working at a 
reasonable level continuously, makes no difference. Of course, if one were, 
say, using text editors and compilers and the like (ie. the CPU will spend 
a lot of time unoccupied) then perhaps you'd get a bigger difference.

In normal everyday use though I do use CPU idling plus I turn the screen 
down (and set it to turn off after a while) but even in general use I don't 
see an awful lot of difference between throttling the CPU and not 
throttling the CPU so generally I don't bother.


- Raymond

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Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT

2002-10-18 Thread Vitaly Pavlenko
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:42:45 +0300
From: Vitaly Pavlenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT

Raymond!
 
> (I did a few test runs on how long it'd take to drain the battery on the 
> various settings when I first got it and going from full to halfway made 
> about 5 minutes difference and from halfway to all throttled back made 
> about 1 minute difference).

A bit strange to hear that from you :). How much is 1 minute? What was the lib doing 
during the test? How much was the CPU power (MIPS, whatever) for each setting?

I always assumed that there was no reason for anything but full power CPU setting if 
you are using NT/Win2K or Win9x + CPU idling software. That is no reason at all. Am I 
wrong?

Vitaly




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Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT

2002-10-17 Thread David Chien
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:16:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Chien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT


> >  > static discharge.  It's the same sort of scratch noise, but bI haven't
> >  been
> raise an interesting point - maybe the noise I'm getting is a function of the
> 
> original ripping or other electronic mangling.  All the music on my 100ct was
> 
> ripped from CDs and then converted to .mp3 format to save HDD space.  In 
> addition, they were ripped to one hard drive, converted to .mp3, then copied 

  Should not be a problem at all to move data around like this.  I do it all
the time w/o any problems at all.

  Also, on the L110 with the HP 820 CD-RW 4x4x20x portable SCSI PCMCIA drive,
ripping cds to WAVE files on the Libretto works just fine.  It won't rip to
MP3s in real time because it's too little CPU power.  Razorlame converts the
waves to MP3s after that just fine, albeit a bit longer than on the P4 2Ghz desktop.

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Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT

2002-10-17 Thread RSchw74573
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:49:06 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT


In a message dated 10/17/02 8:41:30 AM Mountain Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> almost like
>  > static discharge.  It's the same sort of scratch noise, but bI haven't
>  been
>  > able to correlate it with anything.  I'm starting to think I'm too picky,
>  
>  or
>  > that my expectations are too high.
>  >
>  > >So translate for us Lee... did you get the pops to go away?  I'll try
>  what
>  > >ever you've done if you managed to fix the problem.
>  
>  
>  I know next to nothing about .mp3 and music on the computer ( although I
>  would like very much to do more with it... I enjoy certain music you can't
>  get on the radio and since I almost always have my Libretto with me when
>  travelling I would like to have my music with me... )
>  
>  But I do recall very bright "scratch" noise bursts as well as a constant
>  ticking sound when ripping from CDs. Perhaps these noise bursts are more
>  common than you would think. Do some searching for keywords like "ripping"
>  "pops" "ticks" etc.
>  
>  Thanks
>  
>  Pres Waterman W2PW
>  c/o Patchogue Motors, Inc.
>  Long Island Ford and Kia dealer
>  
>  GO BILLS!
>  ©¿©

Pres,

Yours are the same reasons I started putting .mp3s on my 100ct.  And you 
raise an interesting point - maybe the noise I'm getting is a function of the 
original ripping or other electronic mangling.  All the music on my 100ct was 
ripped from CDs and then converted to .mp3 format to save HDD space.  In 
addition, they were ripped to one hard drive, converted to .mp3, then copied 
to the 100ct through an SCSI connection.  Too much electronic handling, maybe?

I hesitate to rip directly to the 100ct, as it seemed to choke on that in 
early attempts.  Maybe copying .wav file format to the 100ct and then 
converting to .mp3 format might help.  Lots to try - thanks for the idea.

Lee




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Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT

2002-10-17 Thread ·Pres Waterman·
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 10:34:33 -0400
From: =?iso-8859-1?B?t1ByZXMgV2F0ZXJtYW63?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT


almost like
> static discharge.  It's the same sort of scratch noise, but bI haven't
been
> able to correlate it with anything.  I'm starting to think I'm too picky,

or
> that my expectations are too high.
>
> >So translate for us Lee... did you get the pops to go away?  I'll try
what
> >ever you've done if you managed to fix the problem.


I know next to nothing about .mp3 and music on the computer ( although I
would like very much to do more with it... I enjoy certain music you can't
get on the radio and since I almost always have my Libretto with me when
travelling I would like to have my music with me... )

But I do recall very bright "scratch" noise bursts as well as a constant
ticking sound when ripping from CDs. Perhaps these noise bursts are more
common than you would think. Do some searching for keywords like "ripping"
"pops" "ticks" etc.

Thanks

Pres Waterman W2PW
c/o Patchogue Motors, Inc.
Long Island Ford and Kia dealer

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Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT

2002-10-16 Thread Matthew Hanson

Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 06:17:18 +
From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT


>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Good job Lee!

> >So translate for us Lee... did you get the pops to go away?  I'll try 
>what
> >ever you've done if you managed to fix the problem.
>
>Yes, with Andy's idea.  The downside is using lots of RAM and therefore
>limiting other activities.  As I said, I'll keep working on the Winamp
>buffers and see how that works.

Do you have another hard drive by any chance?  I'd be really curious to find 
out if another drive would have the same problem.  I know that switching 
HDDs in my Lib, the problem goes away.  And that I'll not hear >any< such 
faint clicks until the system has been working hard for a period of time.  
Shut the system down, le it cool, boot it up again, and the click are gone.

I'll be interested in trying Andy's fix myself.

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Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT

2002-10-16 Thread RSchw74573

Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 22:04:47 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT


In a message dated 10/16/02 7:59:32 PM Mountain Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> >If anyone has tested specifc mics, I'd enjoy reading about it. Testing
>  >high-quality mics is an expensive proposition!
>  
>  Well I can tell you right now, the microphone on my notetaker is VERY omni 
>  directional. It picks up everything I don't want (tape transport noise, 
the 
>  guy coughing next to me, the fluoro lights buzzing) and it never picks up 
>  what I do want!
>  
>  
>  - Raymond

Well, that gave me a laugh.  Brings back the exact same memories...getting 
home from class, turning on the mini-cassette recorder to review the lecture, 
and getting the sounds of people in the hall, somebody blowing their nose, 
and way, way off in the background the unmistakable, but undecipherable, 
voice of the prof.

Lee




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Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT

2002-10-16 Thread Raymond

Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 09:56:23 +0800
From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT


At 06:40 PM 16/10/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 21:35:09 EDT
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT
>
>
>In a message dated 10/16/02 12:12:36 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> > These are just the sorts of things I'd love to be able to record myself 
> Lee!
> >



>If anyone has tested specifc mics, I'd enjoy reading about it. Testing
>high-quality mics is an expensive proposition!

Well I can tell you right now, the microphone on my notetaker is VERY omni 
directional. It picks up everything I don't want (tape transport noise, the 
guy coughing next to me, the fluoro lights buzzing) and it never picks up 
what I do want!


- Raymond

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Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT

2002-10-16 Thread Raymond

Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 09:53:32 +0800
From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT


At 04:30 PM 16/10/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:24:42 -0700 (PDT)
>From: David Chien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT
>
>
>Dont' recall if I mentioned it, but remember to turn the Toshiba Power Control
>ICON (hairy lightbulb in taskbar) to FULL POWER.
>
>Even my L110 will skip and stutter if it's turned down to LOW POWER because
>it sleeps the CPU quite often without regard to what the programs really want
>out of it.

Strange ... I routinely run my L100 as an MP3 player on low power setting 
with the lid closed to save power and I don't get skipping problems at all 
 I think I did adjust it so it only turned the CPU down halfway though 
(I did a few test runs on how long it'd take to drain the battery on the 
various settings when I first got it and going from full to halfway made 
about 5 minutes difference and from halfway to all throttled back made 
about 1 minute difference).

Having said that, whatever I do, whenever I play MP3s on my old Tecra 500 
(P120, 48 MB RAM) it skips like mad ...


- Raymond

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Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT

2002-10-16 Thread RSchw74573

Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 21:35:09 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT


In a message dated 10/16/02 12:12:36 PM Mountain Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> These are just the sorts of things I'd love to be able to record myself Lee!
>  
>  >so the mic would have to be non-directional.
>  >I've tried the various PC mics but they're not suitable.
>  
>  The mics are the very heart of recording.  In order to record sound well 
in 
>  varying settings, the professionals have a quiver of different mics to 
draw 
>  from for each individual recording situation.  I'm not famliar with them 
all 
> 
>  myself, but I know they're not cheap.  However I think I'd want at least 
>  three types.  Ones with a narrow field (is that how they'd be described... 
>  Neil... where are you thee days?), ones with a medium, and ones wide field 
>  capcity.

I have a couple condenser mics which work quite well, but they're much too 
large to pack along on trips. The small size of the Libretto sets a high 
standard for ancillary equipment! I hope to find something small that is at 
least a decent compromise of size and performance.  I think a small 
wide-field mic would be optimal in that the recording challenge would be 
things like church bells or other sounds at a distance.

If anyone has tested specifc mics, I'd enjoy reading about it. Testing 
high-quality mics is an expensive proposition!

Lee




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Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT

2002-10-16 Thread RSchw74573

Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 21:24:08 EDT
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Subject: Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT


All:

First, thanks for all the suggestions.  I will try to recap the various 
tests.  First, Raymond suggested a separate volume control (as a near-cure 
for the background hiss) for the headphones - I have not had time to get a 
volume control yet.

To fix the dropout/scratch noises:

In a message dated 10/15/02 6:36:11 PM Mountain Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> Now I do realize that Win98 doesn't have software IRQs but perhaps a 
>  related issue may be at work in your case? Do you have any PCMCIA cards in 
>  your laptop which might be sharing an IRQ with the sound system? I can't 
>  remember on the libby (and it's not with me at the moment) but can you 
>  shift the sound card to a different IRQ in the BIOS?

As it happens, I use a TDK Global Freedom modem which adds a "Wave Device for 
Voice" line under Sound in Device Mangler. I tried deactivating the modem 
during audio playback, which removed the Wave Device, but it was difficult to 
gauge any improvement in playback. The modem uses IRQ 3 and the Yamaha sound 
uses IRQ 5.

From: "Andy Lawn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT


>Raymond wrote:
>> Winamp options>preferences>input>Nullsoft MPEG Audio Decoder>Configure
>> Change the decode thread priority to highest. Yes I know this isn't a 
>> buffer setting, I just remembered I made this adjustment but I can't 
>> remember if it's there by default.

The setting was already on highest.

>> Winamp options>preferences>output>(whatever you have it set to here, 
>> probably DirectSound)
>>Play with the buffer settings here, it will vary depending on 
>> what output 
>> module you're using and how much RAM you want to devote to this task.

I played with the various buffer settings a little, but because the noise 
occurs infrequently, it takes some time to evaluate the effect of each 
change. Worth exploring further here. 

>Lee, another setting you could try is in 
options>preferences>plugins>input>Nullsoft >MPEG Audio Decoder.  There's a 
setting called "Buffer entire file from disk if file is >smaller than:".  If 
you can spare the memory then try setting this to 5000KB, or some >other size 
that is larger than most of your mp3 tracks.  That should give smoother 
>playback (at the expense of longer gaps between tracks), and extend battery 
life as >the lib will be able to put the hard disk to sleep while playing 
each track.
>.Andy

This worked very well.  Setting the "file smaller than" to 5000KB prevented 
hard drive hits during playback, and so noise was mostly eliminated.  I say 
mostly because some noise seems to be unrelated to HDD activity, almost like 
static discharge.  It's the same sort of scratch noise, but bI haven't been 
able to correlate it with anything.  I'm starting to think I'm too picky, or 
that my expectations are too high.

>So translate for us Lee... did you get the pops to go away?  I'll try what 
>ever you've done if you managed to fix the problem.
>
>Matt

Yes, with Andy's idea.  The downside is using lots of RAM and therefore 
limiting other activities.  As I said, I'll keep working on the Winamp 
buffers and see how that works.  One additional change I made in Winamp was 
options>preferences>output>nullsoft waveOut plug-in v2.02(x86) - changed from 
Wavemapper to Yamaha Audio. No real change noted.  Anybody know why 
Wavemapper is recommended on this setting, rather than Yamaha Audio?

Thanks again for all the help, folks.

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Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT

2002-10-16 Thread David Chien

Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:24:42 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT


Dont' recall if I mentioned it, but remember to turn the Toshiba Power Control
ICON (hairy lightbulb in taskbar) to FULL POWER.  

Even my L110 will skip and stutter if it's turned down to LOW POWER because
it sleeps the CPU quite often without regard to what the programs really want
out of it.

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I was suggesting Winamp 2.8 or lower because they work for certain; 3.x+ is the
latest, bigger, takes up more space, and may just skip on slower systems
because it hogs more resources.

Oh, maybe try one of the DOS MP3 players just to make sure it's not a HW thing
-- for 100% sure, the L100 should easily playback the MP3s w/o any problems
under DOS.

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Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT

2002-10-16 Thread Matthew Hanson

Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 18:09:17 +
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Subject: Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT


>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>I'd hoped to be able to record source-to-Libretto too, and have been 
>looking
>for a decent sound card with line-in jack, ...

You're the first person beside myself that I can recall who's experessed an 
interest in this.  I'm hoping I can find a card with the input/output plugs 
on the end that remains outside of the system, if such a thing exists. The 
long cord with a large jack box on the end that the WavJammer would be 
pretty clumsy in a portable situation.

>Too bad no-one on the list has had a report...if I find a decent card
>I'll post the review. Have you or anyone else tried different microphones 
>on
>the Librettos?  I'd like to record touristy things like church bells, music
>festivals, conversations, etc.

These are just the sorts of things I'd love to be able to record myself Lee!

>so the mic would have to be non-directional.
>I've tried the various PC mics but they're not suitable.

The mics are the very heart of recording.  In order to record sound well in 
varying settings, the professionals have a quiver of different mics to draw 
from for each individual recording situation.  I'm not famliar with them all 
myself, but I know they're not cheap.  However I think I'd want at least 
three types.  Ones with a narrow field (is that how they'd be described... 
Neil... where are you thee days?), ones with a medium, and ones wide field 
capcity.

>#1: OK, I'll try that
>#2: Done
>#3: Done inadvertently - almost upgraded a few days ago.  What is the
>advantage of 2.80?
>#4: Done
>#5: Mostly just audio playback, no other programs running.
>#6: Done
>
>Thanks, David.

So translate for us Lee... did you get the pops to go away?  I'll try what 
ever you've done if you managed to fix the problem.

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Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT

2002-10-16 Thread Andy Lawn

Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 09:41:39 +0100
From: "Andy Lawn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT


Raymond wrote:
> Winamp options>preferences>input>Nullsoft MPEG Audio Decoder>Configure
> Change the decode thread priority to highest. Yes I know this isn't a 
> buffer setting, I just remembered I made this adjustment but I can't 
> remember if it's there by default.
> 
> Winamp options>preferences>output>(whatever you have it set to here, 
> probably DirectSound)
> Play with the buffer settings here, it will vary depending on 
> what output 
> module you're using and how much RAM you want to devote to this task.

Lee, another setting you could try is in options>preferences>plugins>input>Nullsoft 
MPEG Audio Decoder.  There's a setting called "Buffer entire file from disk if file is 
smaller than:".  If you can spare the memory then try setting this to 5000KB, or some 
other size that is larger than most of your mp3 tracks.  That should give smoother 
playback (at the expense of longer gaps between tracks), and extend battery life as 
the lib will be able to put the hard disk to sleep while playing each track.
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Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT

2002-10-15 Thread Raymond

Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 08:31:42 +0800
From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT



>Looks as though my recollection of this problem was a lot worse than reality.
>  I've been out of town (away from the Libretto) for most of the summer, and
>posted this question without rechecking the problem.  While there are
>occasional dropouts (sounds like a light scratch on a vinyl record), these
>occur infrequently and not always in association with hard drive activity.

It just occurs to me ... I have this EXACT same problem on my desktop 
computer (Athlon XP1600+, SB Live 5.1D, 512MB RAM, ATA RAID array, Intel 
Pro/100B NIC, Win2kSP2 ... as far as MP3 playing is concerned, speed ain't 
a problem for this thing) where during times of disk activity (and to a 
lesser extent hectic network activity) MP3 playback (or ANY audio playback 
for that matter) stutters slightly and does the scratchy record thing, even 
when CPU utilization is sitting at below 10% ... in my case though I've 
traced it to the fact that my sound card, network card and RAID controller 
are all on virtual software IRQs (the sound card and network card are both 
on IRQ16, the RAID controller on IRQ17) as a result of Win2k's bizarre IRQ 
steering algorithms. Unfortunately, in my case I can't do anything about it 
because the Win2k ACPI kernel doesn't let you assign IRQs yourself (to the 
extent that even if you go in the BIOS and change the IRQ settings round, 
Win2k will change them back and the slot-shuffle doesn't work either). Next 
time I reinstall (you can't switch kernels without reinstalling because the 
registry stuffs up) I'll be forcing Win2k to install the standard non-ACPI 
kernel (I don't use the power saving stuff anyway), I'm just putting up 
with it in the meantime (it really only gets annoying when I'm doing a file 
copy, everyday use is fine presumably because the sound card's on-board 
buffer smooths things over).

Now I do realize that Win98 doesn't have software IRQs but perhaps a 
related issue may be at work in your case? Do you have any PCMCIA cards in 
your laptop which might be sharing an IRQ with the sound system? I can't 
remember on the libby (and it's not with me at the moment) but can you 
shift the sound card to a different IRQ in the BIOS?


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Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT

2002-10-15 Thread RSchw74573

Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:43:26 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT


In a message dated 10/15/02 2:05:58 PM Mountain Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> > I have recently begun to use my 100CT's 20GB HDD for mp3 storage and 
>  > playback.  This works nicely except for very short dropouts in the 
> playback 
>  > which correspond perfectly and consistently with hard drive hits.  Two 
> other 
>  > PCs (a laptop and a desktop) don't have this problem.  I'm using Winamp 
> and 
>  > the hard drive is an almost new IBM 30GN. Does anyone have any ideas? TIA
>  
>Increase the Winamp waveout buffer size if you're using that.
>Defrag the HD.
>Use winamp 2.80 vs. the latest 3.x.
>Upgrade to 64MB RAM total if not already.
>Kill background tasks and applications and try again.
>Kill virus scanner.

#1: OK, I'll try that
#2: Done
#3: Done inadvertently - almost upgraded a few days ago.  What is the 
advantage of 2.80?
#4: Done
#5: Mostly just audio playback, no other programs running.
#6: Done

Thanks, David.

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Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT

2002-10-15 Thread RSchw74573

Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:39:26 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT


In a message dated 10/15/02 8:31:36 AM Mountain Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> I routinely run my libby close to the crash line (Word2k, Excel2k, Matlab, 
>  Winamp and IE all running at once whilst being on a network for instance) 
>  and apart from the music stopping whilst everything else is busy loading 
>  something, it's been *relatively* fine as far as audio playback goes ... I 
>  do recall turning the quality down (eg. quater wave, 8 bit, mono) to 
>  actually make everything else useable though.

I tried this last night, everything worked well, except a moment of silence, 
then modem- screech-over-Copland as I got on-line.  Couldn't make the HDD 
affect the sound, though.

>Turn the volume on the libby all 
>the way up on all the mixers (Winamp mixer, wave mixer and main mixer all 
>set to their highest settings) then use the external inline volume control 
>to adjust the volume to a comfortable level. This serves as a crude 
>de-emphasis system and does reduce the noise considerably.

I'll give this a try as soon as I can get a volume control.

Winamp options>preferences>input>Nullsoft MPEG Audio Decoder>Configure
Change the decode thread priority to highest. Yes I know this isn't a 
buffer setting, I just remembered I made this adjustment but I can't 
remember if it's there by default.

Winamp options>preferences>output>(whatever you have it set to here, 
probably DirectSound)
Play with the buffer settings here, it will vary depending on what output 
module you're using and how much RAM you want to devote to this task.


Hope this helps!

Thanks, it does!

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Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT

2002-10-15 Thread RSchw74573

Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:33:03 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT


In a message dated 10/15/02 11:51:31 AM Mountain Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> I've had problems similar to this with some hard drives in the past after 
>  they've been running for a while, and start to heat up.  It sounded very 
>  much like a not too scratchy LP with the clicks being fairly quiet, but 
>  continuous and random.  Does your system do this when playing MP3s right 
>  after you first boot the system?  Or does this happen only after the 
system 
>  has been running for a while?

The noise, which is just as you describe, seems to be more frequent after the 
Libretto is warm and has had some HDD activity.  It's a little disappointing 
since the HDD is a fluid-drive IBM which is otherwise quiet and reliable.  
And the Libretto does everything else so well, it's frustrating that playback 
suffers.  I'll try the separate volume control idea ASAP.

>Besides wanting to record a decent signal with the Lib, this has been 
>something I've been dealing with since I got my MP3 player that is getting 
>me interested in finding a decent sound card.  I've yet to get any feedback 
>from anyone on the list who actually has one, and has tested it out fairly 
>extensively.  I really wonder how well those old 16 bit sound cards from the 
>late 90s manage to filter out all of the noise from the system's hardware, 
>what kind of signal to noise ratio they offer, and just how little noise is 
>introduced into recorded and feedback signals.

I'd hoped to be able to record source-to-Libretto too, and have been looking 
for a decent sound card with line-in jack, but they're pretty expensive on 
ebay. Too bad no-one on the list has had a report...if I find a decent card 
I'll post the review. Have you or anyone else tried different microphones on 
the Librettos?  I'd like to record touristy things like church bells, music 
festivals, conversations, etc. so the mic would have to be non-directional.  
I've tried the various PC mics but they're not suitable.

Lee




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Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT

2002-10-15 Thread David Chien

Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:01:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Chien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT


> I have recently begun to use my 100CT's 20GB HDD for mp3 storage and 
> playback.  This works nicely except for very short dropouts in the playback 
> which correspond perfectly and consistently with hard drive hits.  Two other 
> PCs (a laptop and a desktop) don't have this problem.  I'm using Winamp and 
> the hard drive is an almost new IBM 30GN. Does anyone have any ideas? TIA

  Increase the Winamp waveout buffer size if you're using that.
  Defrag the HD.
  Use winamp 2.80 vs. the latest 3.x.
  Upgrade to 64MB RAM total if not already.
  Kill background tasks and applications and try again.
  Kill virus scanner.

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Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT

2002-10-15 Thread Matthew Hanson

Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:47:42 +
From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT


>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>While there are occasional dropouts (sounds like a light scratch on a vinyl 
>record), these occur infrequently and not always in association with hard 
>drive activity.

I've had problems similar to this with some hard drives in the past after 
they've been running for a while, and start to heat up.  It sounded very 
much like a not too scratchy LP with the clicks being fairly quiet, but 
continuous and random.  Does your system do this when playing MP3s right 
after you first boot the system?  Or does this happen only after the system 
has been running for a while?

>System Resources show 94% after a fresh boot, so no problem there.

I guess this isn't a problem then, esp. after reading Raymond's note.

>What I have noticed, in addition to the occasional "dropouts", is 
>background noise very much like tape hiss.

Since I got my portable MP3 player, and started listening to my Lib with 
headphones, I've noticed that the Yamaha OPL3-SAx sound chip on these 
Librettos is a >very< noisy chip.  I never noticed it was quite as bad is it 
is when I was playing music through external speakers.  The signal to noise 
ratio is not very high at all, and I'd be surprised if it's in the mid 70db 
range, where the high 90db, and over 100db mark is really preferable.

As Raymond pointed out, the only way to deal with this is to crank up the 
volume of the signal, and try to drown out the noise.  However if you listen 
to albums with a lot of low level signal and quiet passages like some tracks 
from Peter Gabriel's new 'Up' CD, that nasty noise just can't be avoided.

Besides wanting to record a decent signal with the Lib, this has been 
something I've been dealing with since I got my MP3 player that is getting 
me interested in finding a decent sound card.  I've yet to get any feedback 
from anyone on the list who actually has one, and has tested it out fairly 
extensively.  I really wonder how well those old 16 bit sound cards from the 
late 90s manage to filter out all of the noise from the system's hardware, 
what kind of signal to noise ratio they offer, and just how little noise is 
introduced into recorded and feedback signals.

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Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT

2002-10-15 Thread Raymond

Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 22:27:20 +0800
From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT



>System Resources show 94% after a fresh boot, so no problem there.

I routinely run my libby close to the crash line (Word2k, Excel2k, Matlab, 
Winamp and IE all running at once whilst being on a network for instance) 
and apart from the music stopping whilst everything else is busy loading 
something, it's been *relatively* fine as far as audio playback goes ... I 
do recall turning the quality down (eg. quater wave, 8 bit, mono) to 
actually make everything else useable though.


>I have
>the "hairy" light bulb, speaker, and PCMCIA monitor on the system tray.  I'm
>running W98se with 64MB RAM.

Same here.


>What I have noticed, in addition to the occasional "dropouts", is background
>noise very much like tape hiss.  This is through headphones.  Any way to
>reduce that?

That's normal. The EE's out there correct me if I'm wrong but you'll notice 
that the impedance of your headphones is probably 32 ohms, a lot higher 
than, say, a pair of 8 ohm speakers jacked into the port. This means that 
the current induced in the audio circuit AFTER the amplifier from, say, the 
video refresh (you'll notice the hiss changes when you flick resolutions 
for instance) or the hard drive (try listening carefully when you wake the 
hard drive) is a lot more noticeable. Another thing is that you set the 
volume itself significantly lower for headphones than for speaker but the 
noise, being mainly injected into the amplifier circuit AFTER the volume 
control, stays at the same level hence it'll be more noticeable through 
headphones than through speakers where your volume would be higher.

Although this is probably NOT the most elegant way of doing things, I've 
found that simply getting one of those little inline volume controls (or a 
pair of headphones with inline volume controls or volume controls on the 
'phones themselves) does the trick nicely. Turn the volume on the libby all 
the way up on all the mixers (Winamp mixer, wave mixer and main mixer all 
set to their highest settings) then use the external inline volume control 
to adjust the volume to a comfortable level. This serves as a crude 
de-emphasis system and does reduce the noise considerably. The volume 
control probably also does some rudimentary matching as well depending on 
how it was designed. Remember to turn the volume down again on the mixers 
(or mute it) when you unplug the headphones or that little internal speaker 
will overdrive like mad next time you next get a system 'ding'!


>   And Raymond, how do I change the buffer size?  Thanks for any
>suggestions.

Winamp options>preferences>input>Nullsoft MPEG Audio Decoder>Configure
Change the decode thread priority to highest. Yes I know this isn't a 
buffer setting, I just remembered I made this adjustment but I can't 
remember if it's there by default.

Winamp options>preferences>output>(whatever you have it set to here, 
probably DirectSound)
Play with the buffer settings here, it will vary depending on what output 
module you're using and how much RAM you want to devote to this task.


Hope this helps!


- Raymond

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Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT

2002-10-15 Thread RSchw74573

Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:42:45 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT


In a message dated 10/14/02 7:25:13 PM Mountain Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> By dropouts do you mean the sound goes completely silent for the 'drop out' 
>  period (perhaps a hardware issue) or the sound keeps going but you hear 
the 
>  last fraction of a second repeated two or more times during the 'drop out' 
>  period (perhaps more a software issue)? I've been using my un-overclocked 
>  100CT with a 20GB Fujitsu for a while now playing MP3s on full quality 
>  without any problems but I do recall having to push the buffer size up a 
>  bit, maybe that may be it?

> Have you checked to see what the Windows system resources are at boot 
> recently?  Are you running Win98?  I can't remember about W95, but you can 
> check resources at boot on the "Performance" tab of "System Properties".  I 
> keep mine at 94%-96% at boot by shutting >everything< down in MSCONFIG 
> except system tray (actually a couple little things won't use much power).

> Do you have a lot of icons on the right end of your task bar?

> Matt

Raymond & Matt,

Looks as though my recollection of this problem was a lot worse than reality. 
 I've been out of town (away from the Libretto) for most of the summer, and 
posted this question without rechecking the problem.  While there are 
occasional dropouts (sounds like a light scratch on a vinyl record), these 
occur infrequently and not always in association with hard drive activity. It 
is less of a problem than I imagined it to be, but I'm curious about the 
cause.

System Resources show 94% after a fresh boot, so no problem there.  I have 
the "hairy" light bulb, speaker, and PCMCIA monitor on the system tray.  I'm 
running W98se with 64MB RAM.

What I have noticed, in addition to the occasional "dropouts", is background 
noise very much like tape hiss.  This is through headphones.  Any way to 
reduce that?  And Raymond, how do I change the buffer size?  Thanks for any 
suggestions.

Lee




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Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT

2002-10-14 Thread Matthew Hanson

Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 05:45:30 +
From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT


>From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>I have recently begun to use my 100CT's 20GB HDD for mp3 storage and 
>>playback.  This works nicely except for very short dropouts in the 
>>playback which correspond perfectly and consistently with hard drive hits. 
>>  Two other PCs (a laptop and a desktop) don't have this problem.  I'm 
>>using Winamp and the hard drive is an almost new IBM 30GN. Does anyone 
>>have any ideas? TIA
>
>By dropouts do you mean the sound goes completely silent for the 'drop out' 
>period (perhaps a hardware issue) or the sound keeps going but you hear the 
>last fraction of a second repeated two or more times during the 'drop out' 
>period (perhaps more a software issue)? I've been using my un-overclocked 
>100CT with a 20GB Fujitsu for a while now playing MP3s on full quality 
>without any problems but I do recall having to push the buffer size up a 
>bit, maybe that may be it?


I haven't experienced this with my L50 or L70, and I run the power sucking 
monster Musicmatch v.4.0.

Have you checked to see what the Windows system resources are at boot 
recently?  Are you running Win98?  I can't remember about W95, but you can 
check resources at boot on the "Performance" tab of "System Properties".  I 
keep mine at 94%-96% at boot by shutting >everything< down in MSCONFIG 
except system tray (actually a couple little things won't use much power).

Do you have a lot of icons on the right end of your task bar?

Matt


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Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT

2002-10-14 Thread Raymond

Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:22:35 +0800
From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] Music Playback on 100CT


At 04:56 PM 14/10/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 19:50:10 EDT
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Music Playback on 100CT
>
>
>I have recently begun to use my 100CT's 20GB HDD for mp3 storage and
>playback.  This works nicely except for very short dropouts in the playback
>which correspond perfectly and consistently with hard drive hits.  Two other
>PCs (a laptop and a desktop) don't have this problem.  I'm using Winamp and
>the hard drive is an almost new IBM 30GN. Does anyone have any ideas? TIA

By dropouts do you mean the sound goes completely silent for the 'drop out' 
period (perhaps a hardware issue) or the sound keeps going but you hear the 
last fraction of a second repeated two or more times during the 'drop out' 
period (perhaps more a software issue)? I've been using my un-overclocked 
100CT with a 20GB Fujitsu for a while now playing MP3s on full quality 
without any problems but I do recall having to push the buffer size up a 
bit, maybe that may be it?


- Raymond

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[LIB] Music Playback on 100CT

2002-10-14 Thread RSchw74573

Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 19:50:10 EDT
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Subject: Music Playback on 100CT


I have recently begun to use my 100CT's 20GB HDD for mp3 storage and 
playback.  This works nicely except for very short dropouts in the playback 
which correspond perfectly and consistently with hard drive hits.  Two other 
PCs (a laptop and a desktop) don't have this problem.  I'm using Winamp and 
the hard drive is an almost new IBM 30GN. Does anyone have any ideas? TIA

Lee




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