Re: [LIB] APM to ACPI update
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 06:53:50 +0800 From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] APM to ACPI update At 08:53 AM 27/02/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:44:57 -0500 >From: Pres Waterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [LIB] APM to ACPI update > >> Oh ya, and you actually set what the panel close and power button do >through Windows power management and NOT the hairy lightbulb. You also need >to enable hibernation again in Windows power management. > > >I don't agree, although I am probably wrong since my hibernation is not too >reliable, but: > >What *I* found was the "power saver driver for Windows 98" is very little >( 35k ) and all it does is install pwrsvr.vxd and a new profile in Win98 >Power Manager called "Toshiba" which is pretty much always-on. Ya thats the same here ... if I change the power profile from 'Toshiba' to anything else, things start going pear shaped. > Therefore, >and this experience is repeated on a Toshiba Satellite Pro 4320, Toshiba >gets pissed if Windows does the power management, they prefer that Windows >is "always on-do nothing" and have the hairy light bulb in charge. Which is >fine with me, because the HLB does, and Windows does NOT, have different >uses for panel close depending on whether or not you are on battery, and >also display brightness management which is important in dark rooms or cars >at night. Ya thats true ... I'm talking the other tabs (note that changing power profiles only changes the timeouts and whatnot on the first tab, the other tabs in Windows power management are global irrespective of power profiles ... which annoys me somewhat because I wanted to set a power profile for "always on ignore panel" and one for "paranoid about the battery" and so on). These tabs have some overlap with hairy lightbulb features (such as what happens when the panel closes), it looks like they override the hairy lightbulb on my computer ... - Raymond --- /~\ | | "Does fuzzy logic tickle?"| | ___ | "My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup?" | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | HTTP://www.raybot.net| | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] APM to ACPI update
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:44:57 -0500 From: Pres Waterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] APM to ACPI update > Oh ya, and you actually set what the panel close and power button do through Windows power management and NOT the hairy lightbulb. You also need to enable hibernation again in Windows power management. I don't agree, although I am probably wrong since my hibernation is not too reliable, but: What *I* found was the "power saver driver for Windows 98" is very little ( 35k ) and all it does is install pwrsvr.vxd and a new profile in Win98 Power Manager called "Toshiba" which is pretty much always-on. Therefore, and this experience is repeated on a Toshiba Satellite Pro 4320, Toshiba gets pissed if Windows does the power management, they prefer that Windows is "always on-do nothing" and have the hairy light bulb in charge. Which is fine with me, because the HLB does, and Windows does NOT, have different uses for panel close depending on whether or not you are on battery, and also display brightness management which is important in dark rooms or cars at night. Thanks Pres Waterman W2PW c/o Patchogue Motors, Inc. Long Island Ford and Kia dealer GO BILLS! ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] APM to ACPI update
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:07:27 - From: "Eyetech Technical" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] APM to ACPI update > Oh ya, anyone know how to halt hibernation mid-stream? On the L50 you could press > backspace to cancel it but it looks like Toshiba decided to get rid of that ... which seems silly > because you'd want it more on a machine thats got 64 meg RAM and takes 30 seconds to > wake itself up. >From DOS I can press the power button to hibernate and I get the funky built in GFX. Backspace does work to halt this in DOS, but in not in W2k of course. Cya Dave ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] APM to ACPI update
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:48:26 +0800 From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] APM to ACPI update At 03:40 AM 27/02/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:35:22 - >From: "Eyetech Technical" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [LIB] APM to ACPI update > >> >This might work (it often does when installing things for myself): >> > >> >When prompted for the location of the files, try looking on your hard >drive >> >in system system32 winodws and other folders. Quite often it will find >the >> >files are already there and can use them. >> >> Heh ... that trick doesn't work here. Toshiba I think is trying to be >'smart', it just gives a screen that says 'Please insert CD' ... no option >to look for files anywhere. I've got at least 3 copies of the Win98 >directory sitting on this computer in various places plus the copy in the >CD-ROM drive ... > >I suppose there is always some sort of fake CD software. Handy anyway for >the Libretto. >Im really getting into this machine now. Nah I've got a REAL CD-ROM drive and a REAL CD in there. I think its picking up on the fact that I"ve got a FULL Win98 CD and not the UPGRADE that its expecting. Perhaps its looking for drive signatures or something. >Speaking of hibernation, I put Win98 on to this 100CT here, and it doesnt >hibernate. The Windows 2000 install was using the OS's hibernation feature, >but the Win98 software doesnt seem to work. > >If I want to go for Win98 onwards OS installed, should I look at 98SE or ME >for better hibernation support? As I've found in my rant an email or so ago, I can either suspend or I can hibernate but I can't do both at the 'same time' (like you can on the L50 ... save HDD contents like hibernation but keep RAM powered like suspend for a set amount of time before cutting power ... within that time you can instantly restore, after that time or if power dies it can restore from hdd). The trick though is to first install the Win95 controls ... the one where you have to go "start>settings>control panel>add/remove>WINDOWS COMPONENTS>have disk" to install it (ya the Windows Components bit got me first time round) and that installs the monitor switcher and whatnot ... THEN you've got to download the Win98 power saver update and install THAT over the top the same way. If you don't install this or if you install it first then the 95 version, you'll end up with a pile of msgsrv32 errors when you try to resume. Oh ya, and you actually set what the panel close and power button do through Windows power management and NOT the hairy lightbulb. You also need to enable hibernation again in Windows power management. Dumb setup eh? - Raymond P.S. I STILL can't get ACPI installed (or at least if its installed it ain't telling me) but suspend and hibernation is working now (except for that both at the same time thingy) so I'll let that rest for now ... got to go to work to run Windows Update (I ain't updating through a 56k modem if I can do so through a 100Mbit backbone connection ;-) then ghost it before I do anything silly ... heh --- /~\ | | "Does fuzzy logic tickle?"| | ___ | "My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup?" | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | HTTP://www.raybot.net| | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] APM to ACPI update
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:35:22 - From: "Eyetech Technical" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] APM to ACPI update > >This might work (it often does when installing things for myself): > > > >When prompted for the location of the files, try looking on your hard drive > >in system system32 winodws and other folders. Quite often it will find the > >files are already there and can use them. > > Heh ... that trick doesn't work here. Toshiba I think is trying to be 'smart', it just gives a screen that says 'Please insert CD' ... no option to look for files anywhere. I've got at least 3 copies of the Win98 directory sitting on this computer in various places plus the copy in the CD-ROM drive ... I suppose there is always some sort of fake CD software. Handy anyway for the Libretto. Im really getting into this machine now. Speaking of hibernation, I put Win98 on to this 100CT here, and it doesnt hibernate. The Windows 2000 install was using the OS's hibernation feature, but the Win98 software doesnt seem to work. If I want to go for Win98 onwards OS installed, should I look at 98SE or ME for better hibernation support? Regards Dave ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] APM to ACPI update
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:10:43 +0800 From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] APM to ACPI update At 02:31 AM 27/02/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:26:05 +0800 >From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [LIB] APM to ACPI update > >At 02:25 AM 27/02/2002 -0800, you wrote: >>Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:20:46 - >>From: "Eyetech Technical" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Subject: Re: [LIB] APM to ACPI update >> >>Hi Raymond, >> >>This might work (it often does when installing things for myself): >> >>When prompted for the location of the files, try looking on your hard drive >>in system system32 winodws and other folders. Quite often it will find the >>files are already there and can use them. > >Heh ... that trick doesn't work here. Toshiba I think is trying to be 'smart', it >just gives a screen that says 'Please insert CD' ... no option to look for files >anywhere. I've got at least 3 copies of the Win98 directory sitting on this computer >in various places plus the copy in the CD-ROM drive ... > >Ah well ... it seems to be hibernating nicely enough at the moment ... lets see what >happens. Grr ... spoke too soon ... looks like Toshiba stuffed up hibernation on the L100 ... looks like I've got to tell it to hibernate in BOTH the hairy lightbulb as well as the Windows control panel aplet! Do it in just one and it'll just suspend as opposed to hibernate then do funky things when it comes back up again. Of course, now I can't get it to do the suspend then hibernate thing ... its either one or the other ... I might as well give up on trying to get the thing to hibernate ... I hope it drops the power usage enough to not chew up much battery power when in suspend mode ... I found that if I dropped the battery out when suspended, put it back in then tried to power up, I'd just get a black screen. Hardly what you want happening if you're suspending because you're at the end of battery life ... Oh ya, anyone know how to halt hibernation mid-stream? On the L50 you could press backspace to cancel it but it looks like Toshiba decided to get rid of that ... which seems silly because you'd want it more on a machine thats got 64 meg RAM and takes 30 seconds to wake itself up. Speaking of which, I timed the hibernation and restore times, I'd appreciate it if someone else can confirm if these figures are normal or perhaps a little too high. I set Windows power management to hibernate when I pressed the power button ... it took 33.5 seconds from when I first pressed the power button till when the power light flicked off (after writing RAM to disk), and exactly 35 seconds from when I subsequently pressed the power button till the second screen flash (when control is turned over to the user ... when the display first comes up, the mouse is active but clicks or keypresses don't do anything). When in suspend mode, it takes exactly 9 seconds from the button press to when the orange light flashes (no saving to disk) and 7 seconds from a subsequent button press to the second screen flash. Anyone got any idea how to get the L100 to hibernate like the L50? (as in save RAM to disk but not fully turn off until say 10 minutes after so if I want to resume within 10 minutes I can do so 'instantly' whilst after that I can still resume off disk)? - Raymond --- /~\ | | "Does fuzzy logic tickle?"| | ___ | "My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup?" | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | HTTP://www.raybot.net| | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] APM to ACPI update
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:26:05 +0800 From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] APM to ACPI update At 02:25 AM 27/02/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:20:46 - >From: "Eyetech Technical" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [LIB] APM to ACPI update > >Hi Raymond, > >This might work (it often does when installing things for myself): > >When prompted for the location of the files, try looking on your hard drive >in system system32 winodws and other folders. Quite often it will find the >files are already there and can use them. Heh ... that trick doesn't work here. Toshiba I think is trying to be 'smart', it just gives a screen that says 'Please insert CD' ... no option to look for files anywhere. I've got at least 3 copies of the Win98 directory sitting on this computer in various places plus the copy in the CD-ROM drive ... Ah well ... it seems to be hibernating nicely enough at the moment ... lets see what happens. - Raymond --- /~\ | | "Does fuzzy logic tickle?"| | ___ | "My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup?" | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | HTTP://www.raybot.net| | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] APM to ACPI update
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:20:46 - From: "Eyetech Technical" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] APM to ACPI update Hi Raymond, This might work (it often does when installing things for myself): When prompted for the location of the files, try looking on your hard drive in system system32 winodws and other folders. Quite often it will find the files are already there and can use them. I guess that's why Windows is so darn big! HTH Dave > Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:05:55 +0800 > From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: APM to ACPI update > > Hi all! > > OK I've FOUND the Win98 APM to ACPI update but the real annoying thing is, it won't install without a Win98 upgrade CD! Even when I connect my CD-ROM drive and put my (proper) Win98 CD in there it doesn't like it! > > *sigh* anyone got any ideas? > > > - Raymond ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
