Re: [libvirt] [RFC] exporting KVM host power saving capabilities through libvirt
* Dave Allan dal...@redhat.com [2011-07-08 17:23:31]: On Mon, Jul 04, 2011 at 10:00:20PM +0530, Vaidyanathan Srinivasan wrote: * Dave Allan dal...@redhat.com [2011-07-01 17:19:06]: On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 04:56:29PM -0400, Dave Allan wrote: On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 08:55:31PM +0530, Vaidyanathan Srinivasan wrote: Hi, Linux host systems running KVM support various power management capabilities. Most of the features like DVFS and sleep states can be independently exploited by the host system itself based on system utilisation subject to policies set by the administrator. However, system-wide low power states like S3 and S4 would require external communication and interaction with the systems management stack in order to be used. The first steps in this direction would be to allow systems management stack to discover host power saving capabilities like S3 and S4 along with various other host CPU capabilities. Libvirt seems to be the main glue layer between the platform and the systems-management stack. Adding host power savings capabilities as part of libvirt host discovery mechanism seems to be one possible approach without addition of any new APIs or agents. Can you provide the use cases you're looking to address with this work? BTW, I'm intrigued by what you might be doing here, but I don't feel like I have enough information at this point to know quite what to think of it. Hi Dave, Thanks for taking a look. There are several advantages for using S3 or S4 state for the host system instead power 'off' and 'on' for starting new guest instances. The main advantage of discovering the capability through the systems management stack is to get the capability reported after checking against all policies and software compatibilities. The overall idea is to allow high level systems management software that work through libvirt to discover and exploit these capabilities wherever possible. Discovery of available power savings features is only the first step and I am looking for ideas to export these capabilities through libvirt. I would expect the management stack that collects host capabilities would be keep these feature list and could use them to make various optimization decisions. That certainly sounds useful to me. Let me get the next iteration of the patch out with working code. This will allow us to review the implementation in more details. Thanks, Vaidy -- libvir-list mailing list libvir-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/libvir-list
Re: [libvirt] [RFC] exporting KVM host power saving capabilities through libvirt
* Dave Allan dal...@redhat.com [2011-07-08 17:22:53]: On Mon, Jul 04, 2011 at 10:05:21PM +0530, Vaidyanathan Srinivasan wrote: * Dave Allan dal...@redhat.com [2011-07-01 16:56:29]: libvirt has virConnectGetCapabilities() that would export an XML file describing the capabilities of the host platform and guest features. KVM hypervisor's capability to support S3 can be exported as a host feature in the XML as follows: host uuid94a3492f-2635-2491-8c87-8de976fad119/uuid cpu archx86_64/arch features=== New host feature fields S3/ S4/ /features Just my $.02, but calling it features seems to be confusingly close to the existing feature tag. Maybe power_management ? Yes, I am open to naming the tag power_management. Any other similar attributes that could be included here in future? Would calling it power_management be very restrictive? Urgh, busy week, sorry to be slow responding; I'd expect there will be other features you'd want to describe, but they can have their own tags. Sounds good. Let me add a power_management tag within host and perhaps outside of cpu since this is system attribute and not a CPU attribute. --Vaidy -- libvir-list mailing list libvir-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/libvir-list
Re: [libvirt] [RFC] exporting KVM host power saving capabilities through libvirt
On Mon, Jul 04, 2011 at 10:05:21PM +0530, Vaidyanathan Srinivasan wrote: * Dave Allan dal...@redhat.com [2011-07-01 16:56:29]: libvirt has virConnectGetCapabilities() that would export an XML file describing the capabilities of the host platform and guest features. KVM hypervisor's capability to support S3 can be exported as a host feature in the XML as follows: host uuid94a3492f-2635-2491-8c87-8de976fad119/uuid cpu archx86_64/arch features=== New host feature fields S3/ S4/ /features Just my $.02, but calling it features seems to be confusingly close to the existing feature tag. Maybe power_management ? Yes, I am open to naming the tag power_management. Any other similar attributes that could be included here in future? Would calling it power_management be very restrictive? Urgh, busy week, sorry to be slow responding; I'd expect there will be other features you'd want to describe, but they can have their own tags. Dave -- libvir-list mailing list libvir-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/libvir-list
Re: [libvirt] [RFC] exporting KVM host power saving capabilities through libvirt
On Mon, Jul 04, 2011 at 10:00:20PM +0530, Vaidyanathan Srinivasan wrote: * Dave Allan dal...@redhat.com [2011-07-01 17:19:06]: On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 04:56:29PM -0400, Dave Allan wrote: On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 08:55:31PM +0530, Vaidyanathan Srinivasan wrote: Hi, Linux host systems running KVM support various power management capabilities. Most of the features like DVFS and sleep states can be independently exploited by the host system itself based on system utilisation subject to policies set by the administrator. However, system-wide low power states like S3 and S4 would require external communication and interaction with the systems management stack in order to be used. The first steps in this direction would be to allow systems management stack to discover host power saving capabilities like S3 and S4 along with various other host CPU capabilities. Libvirt seems to be the main glue layer between the platform and the systems-management stack. Adding host power savings capabilities as part of libvirt host discovery mechanism seems to be one possible approach without addition of any new APIs or agents. Can you provide the use cases you're looking to address with this work? BTW, I'm intrigued by what you might be doing here, but I don't feel like I have enough information at this point to know quite what to think of it. Hi Dave, Thanks for taking a look. There are several advantages for using S3 or S4 state for the host system instead power 'off' and 'on' for starting new guest instances. The main advantage of discovering the capability through the systems management stack is to get the capability reported after checking against all policies and software compatibilities. The overall idea is to allow high level systems management software that work through libvirt to discover and exploit these capabilities wherever possible. Discovery of available power savings features is only the first step and I am looking for ideas to export these capabilities through libvirt. I would expect the management stack that collects host capabilities would be keep these feature list and could use them to make various optimization decisions. That certainly sounds useful to me. Dave -- libvir-list mailing list libvir-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/libvir-list
Re: [libvirt] [RFC] exporting KVM host power saving capabilities through libvirt
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 08:55:31PM +0530, Vaidyanathan Srinivasan wrote: Hi, Linux host systems running KVM support various power management capabilities. Most of the features like DVFS and sleep states can be independently exploited by the host system itself based on system utilisation subject to policies set by the administrator. However, system-wide low power states like S3 and S4 would require external communication and interaction with the systems management stack in order to be used. The first steps in this direction would be to allow systems management stack to discover host power saving capabilities like S3 and S4 along with various other host CPU capabilities. Libvirt seems to be the main glue layer between the platform and the systems-management stack. Adding host power savings capabilities as part of libvirt host discovery mechanism seems to be one possible approach without addition of any new APIs or agents. libvirt has virConnectGetCapabilities() that would export an XML file describing the capabilities of the host platform and guest features. KVM hypervisor's capability to support S3 can be exported as a host feature in the XML as follows: host uuid94a3492f-2635-2491-8c87-8de976fad119/uuid cpu archx86_64/arch features=== New host feature fields S3/ S4/ /features modelWestmere/model vendorIntel/vendor topology sockets='1' cores='2' threads='2'/ feature name='rdtscp'/ feature name='xtpr'/ feature name='tm2'/ feature name='est'/ feature name='vmx'/ = These are host CPU features System management software that works through libvirt, already queries this capabilities XML file and hence no new API is needed. As simple discovery mechanism can be added to libvirt as follows: I agree with Dave that we need more information on the big picture of what you are trying to achieve overall. Just adding a s3/ or s4/ element on their own doesn't really seem useful to me, so I imagine you must have more extensive plans not yet described ? Daniel -- |: http://berrange.com -o-http://www.flickr.com/photos/dberrange/ :| |: http://libvirt.org -o- http://virt-manager.org :| |: http://autobuild.org -o- http://search.cpan.org/~danberr/ :| |: http://entangle-photo.org -o- http://live.gnome.org/gtk-vnc :| -- libvir-list mailing list libvir-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/libvir-list
Re: [libvirt] [RFC] exporting KVM host power saving capabilities through libvirt
* Dave Allan dal...@redhat.com [2011-07-01 17:19:06]: On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 04:56:29PM -0400, Dave Allan wrote: On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 08:55:31PM +0530, Vaidyanathan Srinivasan wrote: Hi, Linux host systems running KVM support various power management capabilities. Most of the features like DVFS and sleep states can be independently exploited by the host system itself based on system utilisation subject to policies set by the administrator. However, system-wide low power states like S3 and S4 would require external communication and interaction with the systems management stack in order to be used. The first steps in this direction would be to allow systems management stack to discover host power saving capabilities like S3 and S4 along with various other host CPU capabilities. Libvirt seems to be the main glue layer between the platform and the systems-management stack. Adding host power savings capabilities as part of libvirt host discovery mechanism seems to be one possible approach without addition of any new APIs or agents. Can you provide the use cases you're looking to address with this work? BTW, I'm intrigued by what you might be doing here, but I don't feel like I have enough information at this point to know quite what to think of it. Hi Dave, Thanks for taking a look. There are several advantages for using S3 or S4 state for the host system instead power 'off' and 'on' for starting new guest instances. The main advantage of discovering the capability through the systems management stack is to get the capability reported after checking against all policies and software compatibilities. The overall idea is to allow high level systems management software that work through libvirt to discover and exploit these capabilities wherever possible. Discovery of available power savings features is only the first step and I am looking for ideas to export these capabilities through libvirt. I would expect the management stack that collects host capabilities would be keep these feature list and could use them to make various optimization decisions. --Vaidy -- libvir-list mailing list libvir-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/libvir-list
Re: [libvirt] [RFC] exporting KVM host power saving capabilities through libvirt
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 08:55:31PM +0530, Vaidyanathan Srinivasan wrote: Hi, Linux host systems running KVM support various power management capabilities. Most of the features like DVFS and sleep states can be independently exploited by the host system itself based on system utilisation subject to policies set by the administrator. However, system-wide low power states like S3 and S4 would require external communication and interaction with the systems management stack in order to be used. The first steps in this direction would be to allow systems management stack to discover host power saving capabilities like S3 and S4 along with various other host CPU capabilities. Libvirt seems to be the main glue layer between the platform and the systems-management stack. Adding host power savings capabilities as part of libvirt host discovery mechanism seems to be one possible approach without addition of any new APIs or agents. Can you provide the use cases you're looking to address with this work? libvirt has virConnectGetCapabilities() that would export an XML file describing the capabilities of the host platform and guest features. KVM hypervisor's capability to support S3 can be exported as a host feature in the XML as follows: host uuid94a3492f-2635-2491-8c87-8de976fad119/uuid cpu archx86_64/arch features=== New host feature fields S3/ S4/ /features Just my $.02, but calling it features seems to be confusingly close to the existing feature tag. Maybe power_management ? modelWestmere/model vendorIntel/vendor topology sockets='1' cores='2' threads='2'/ feature name='rdtscp'/ feature name='xtpr'/ feature name='tm2'/ feature name='est'/ feature name='vmx'/ = These are host CPU features System management software that works through libvirt, already queries this capabilities XML file and hence no new API is needed. As simple discovery mechanism can be added to libvirt as follows: Index: libvirt-0.9.0/src/qemu/qemu_capabilities.c === --- libvirt-0.9.0.orig/src/qemu/qemu_capabilities.c +++ libvirt-0.9.0/src/qemu/qemu_capabilities.c @@ -738,6 +738,14 @@ virCapsPtr qemuCapsInit(virCapsPtr old_c virCapabilitiesAddHostMigrateTransport(caps, tcp); +/* Add host energy management host capabilities */ + +/* if pm-is-supported --suspend == 0 */ +virCapabilitiesAddHostFeature(caps, S3); + +/* if pm-is-supported --hibernate == 0 */ +virCapabilitiesAddHostFeature(caps, S4); + /* First the pure HVM guests */ for (i = 0 ; i ARRAY_CARDINALITY(arch_info_hvm) ; i++) if (qemuCapsInitGuest(caps, old_caps, Please let me know your comments, I will code a working prototype shortly and post for review/discussion. Dave -- libvir-list mailing list libvir-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/libvir-list
Re: [libvirt] [RFC] exporting KVM host power saving capabilities through libvirt
On Fri, Jul 01, 2011 at 04:56:29PM -0400, Dave Allan wrote: On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 08:55:31PM +0530, Vaidyanathan Srinivasan wrote: Hi, Linux host systems running KVM support various power management capabilities. Most of the features like DVFS and sleep states can be independently exploited by the host system itself based on system utilisation subject to policies set by the administrator. However, system-wide low power states like S3 and S4 would require external communication and interaction with the systems management stack in order to be used. The first steps in this direction would be to allow systems management stack to discover host power saving capabilities like S3 and S4 along with various other host CPU capabilities. Libvirt seems to be the main glue layer between the platform and the systems-management stack. Adding host power savings capabilities as part of libvirt host discovery mechanism seems to be one possible approach without addition of any new APIs or agents. Can you provide the use cases you're looking to address with this work? BTW, I'm intrigued by what you might be doing here, but I don't feel like I have enough information at this point to know quite what to think of it. Dave libvirt has virConnectGetCapabilities() that would export an XML file describing the capabilities of the host platform and guest features. KVM hypervisor's capability to support S3 can be exported as a host feature in the XML as follows: host uuid94a3492f-2635-2491-8c87-8de976fad119/uuid cpu archx86_64/arch features=== New host feature fields S3/ S4/ /features Just my $.02, but calling it features seems to be confusingly close to the existing feature tag. Maybe power_management ? modelWestmere/model vendorIntel/vendor topology sockets='1' cores='2' threads='2'/ feature name='rdtscp'/ feature name='xtpr'/ feature name='tm2'/ feature name='est'/ feature name='vmx'/ = These are host CPU features System management software that works through libvirt, already queries this capabilities XML file and hence no new API is needed. As simple discovery mechanism can be added to libvirt as follows: Index: libvirt-0.9.0/src/qemu/qemu_capabilities.c === --- libvirt-0.9.0.orig/src/qemu/qemu_capabilities.c +++ libvirt-0.9.0/src/qemu/qemu_capabilities.c @@ -738,6 +738,14 @@ virCapsPtr qemuCapsInit(virCapsPtr old_c virCapabilitiesAddHostMigrateTransport(caps, tcp); +/* Add host energy management host capabilities */ + +/* if pm-is-supported --suspend == 0 */ +virCapabilitiesAddHostFeature(caps, S3); + +/* if pm-is-supported --hibernate == 0 */ +virCapabilitiesAddHostFeature(caps, S4); + /* First the pure HVM guests */ for (i = 0 ; i ARRAY_CARDINALITY(arch_info_hvm) ; i++) if (qemuCapsInitGuest(caps, old_caps, Please let me know your comments, I will code a working prototype shortly and post for review/discussion. Dave -- libvir-list mailing list libvir-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/libvir-list -- libvir-list mailing list libvir-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/libvir-list
