Fwd: Software conforming to spec breaches copyright in written specification]

2000-09-16 Thread kmself

Posted today to CNI-Copyright.  Australian law.

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Interesting case Australian case recently decided on whether software conforming
to a written specification breaches the copyright in that specification.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/cth/federal_ct/2000/1273.html

Court headnotes appear below.

INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY - copyright - whether written specifications for the
operation of poker machines could be
original literary works - whether the specifications were a product of the
applicant's work, or simply reflected a common industry
standard

INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY - copyright - dramatic works - whether written
specifications for the operation of poker
machines could constitute original dramatic works - whether the video display
could constitute a cinematograph film

INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY - copyright - infringement - whether respondent's poker
machines infringed the applicant's
copyright in the written specifications for its poker machines - where the games
were substantially similar - where the respondent
pursued a policy of collecting and analysing competitors' games

WORDS AND PHRASES - "scenario" - "choreography"- "cinematograph film" -
"dramatic work"

Copyright Act 1968 ss  10(1), 13 and 31
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Re: Another pass at redrafting the Artistic License

2000-09-16 Thread David Johnson

On Sat, 16 Sep 2000, Ben Tilly wrote:

 My view of "proper" OSS and FS licenses is that they grant additional
 permissions to the user beyond those offered by copyright, but take
 away none of the rights of the user that copyright allows. You can give
 but you can't take away.
 
 Then this clearly is not a "proper" FS license.  Basically it
 says, "If you want to play in our sandbox, you have to follow
 Larry's rules.  If you just want to play with our toys, go
 ahead as long as you don't mess with our sandbox."

Perhaps I didn't clarify myself. I find it perfectly acceptable for a
permission to have conditions. IANAL though, and I could be
completely off base here. Basically, one can say "you have permission to
play in our sandbox so long as you follow our rules, but if you don't
follow our rules then the law says that you can't play in other people's
sandboxes anyway." 

A license along the lines of "you can do x, y and x provided
that you also do 1, 2 and 3" may technically be a contract, but it
doesn't require contract law for enforcement.

One problem with contract/agreement "based" licenses is what happens
if someone doesn't agree? If you are unable to protect the software
with copyright, then you have no recourse if someone disagrees with the
contract. I think the GPL got it right when it said "These actions are
prohibited by law [copyright] if you do not accept this License". 

 There are two items that do not fall under copyright law in
 there.  The first is that you really want something somewhere
 saying that, "Yes, all developers really agreed to our
 ground-rules."  Doesn't have to be here, I just think it is
 a convenient place to put it and avoid paperwork. 

Okay, fair enough...

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Re: Another pass at redrafting the Artistic License

2000-09-16 Thread David Johnson

On Sat, 16 Sep 2000, Ben Tilly wrote:

 I have been told by lawyers that you can say it, but you cannot
 necessarily enforce the rules.  For instance I was just told (and
 find believable) that statements about, "You cannot represent this
 as your own unless it is, and cannot the copyright holders and
 contributer's names for endorsement without express written
 permission" cannot be enforced as part of a copyright.  It can be
 as part of a contract.

Fascinating.  It's as if misrepresentation and fraud are not crimes!
Everyday I find more reasons to be thankful I am not a part of the
legal profession.

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