Re: Intuit License

2001-03-07 Thread kmself

on Thu, Jan 01, 1970 at 02:37:46AM +0100, Philip Mötteli ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
   ^
 Hi
 
 
 I've already sent that request to the -address two weeks ago and
 haven't received any reaction so far. So I try to send it here
 directly:

You might begin, for starters, by fixing your system clock (or is it
really 1970 where you are -- I really *don't* care to relive the 70s,
80s, and 90s again), setting your mailer to wrap at a decent interval
(72 characters), and fixing what appears to be a carriage return /
linefeed and unprintable characters problem in your text submissions.

As past submission candidates have been advised, OSI is a volunteer
organization, and the submissions process is slow.  I'm not a member of
OSI or the submission process, and don't speak for either, though I'm
one of several folks who comment on this list.  I'm also inclined to
believe that a slow queue process isn't a bug.

I've also suggested in the past that the following might be helpful in
processing submissions:

  - A synopsis of your license.

  - An exhaustive analysis of existing licenses (particularly the GNU
GPL, GNU LGPL, BSD, MIT, and Mozilla Public License), and the
reasons for which thesse are deemed inadequate.

  - A statement of goals for the project.  I tend to see these myself
largely as ideological (you strongly believe in free software),
technological (you're promoting a standard or protocol, e.g.:  BIND,
Kerberos, Apache), or free-software+business (such as the Mozilla
project, which uses the Mozilla browser as a platform for additional
commercial development).

Cheers.

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Re: Intuit License

2001-03-07 Thread kmself

on Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 08:50:22PM -0500, John Cowan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 Philip M=?iso-8859-1?q?=F6?=tteli scripsit:
 
  I've already sent that request to the -address two weeks ago and
  haven't received any reaction so far. So I try to send it here directly:
 
 License-request is rather slow, because clearing licenses from the queue
 depends on volunteer action.
 
  Intuit has kindly released the so called P-Kit to the community under
  their new "Intuit Public License".  Because it was me, who negotiated
  with Intuit to release that software to the open source, it seems to
  remain in my hands to make this license be apporoved by the community,
  although it hasn't been formulated by me in any way.
 
 It looks like a close variant of the IBM/Common Public License.

Indeed.  After reformatting it to a readable standard, I started going
through it.  While changes are largely expected name substitutions, I
also note that the patent clause is changed slightly to the extent that
the hardware license exclusion isn't included.

Again, I'd suggest that license submissions be accompanied with
documentation *describing* the license, including model licenses (in
this case the IBM PL v. 1.0, apparently) and *all verbatim differences,
or in the case of a nonliteral following, a mention of licenses (if any)
providing guidance.

Larry Rosen included a lengthy comparison of the Jabber and Mozilla
licenses.  While the in-depth doc is useful, a more concise (1 page?)
summary would also be of use.

While such documents *cannot* substitute for legal analysis, they can
help guide it.  In particular, discrepencies from the description and
the actual text of the license should stand as a red flag.

I'd be curious as to how lawyers approach license and contract analysis.

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Re: Intuit License

2001-03-07 Thread Philip Mötteli

Am Mittwoch, Mrz 7, 2001, um 02:50 AM, schrieb John Cowan:
 Philip M=?iso-8859-1?q?=F6?=tteli scripsit: 
  I've already sent that request to the license-admit-address two weeks ago and 
  haven't received any reaction so far. So I try to send it here directly: 
  
 License-request is rather slow, because clearing licenses from the queue 
 depends on volunteer action. 

Time is no problem. I appreciate a lot, what those people do! I just wasn't sure, if 
the mail has been received, if this address has become a null address or if there is 
any other problem. It would be good to just reply something like "It's ok, we have 
received your e-mail. Please be patient. We're coming back to you.".


  Intuit has kindly released the so called P-Kit to the community under 
  their new "Intuit Public License".  Because it was me, who negotiated 
  with Intuit to release that software to the open source, it seems to 
  remain in my hands to make this license be apporoved by the community, 
  although it hasn't been formulated by me in any way. 
  
 It looks like a close variant of the IBM/Common Public License. 

I think so too. The attachment they sent me had even the word IBM somewhere in the 
filename.


Phil




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