is it just summertime?
Is it just summertime, and people are outside enjoying themselves? Otherwise, I have to wonder why there have been no comments on http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3:mss:6923:200306:adcbobdimckahfihhlcg or http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3:mss:6976:200306:odefmgncbfagijaemlbg Are these licenses obviously open source? It would be helpful if someone other than myself would say so. -- --My blog is at angry-economist.russnelson.com | Rebecca's incredibly neat Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | County Fair quilt is now 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | at http://rebeccanelson.com/ Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | quilt/index.html -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3
Re: is it just summertime?
Russell Nelson scripsit: Is it just summertime, and people are outside enjoying themselves? Otherwise, I have to wonder why there have been no comments on http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3:mss:6923:200306:adcbobdimckahfihhlcg This is basically OK, but has two troubling points. The term depends for its intended functionality on used in section 3a (and similar language elsewhere) is not defined and is AFAIK unprecedented. A web browser depends for its intended functionality on the correct operation of various HTTP servers, but cannot be thereby brought under the license terms of those servers (and a good thing too). I think this should be stricken in favor of contains (already present) or is a derivative work of (equally undefined, but at least familiar). In addition, it is not clear that section 2a is an implicit patent grant, and even less clear that there is an implicit patent grant for users of derivative works. I suggest an explicit patent grant be added. http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3:mss:6976:200306:odefmgncbfagijaemlbg This license is obviously open source. -- Henry S. Thompson said, / Syntactic, structural, John Cowan Value constraints we / Express on the fly. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Simon St. Laurent: Your / Incomprehensible http://www.reutershealth.com Abracadabralike / schemas must die!http://www.ccil.org/~cowan -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3
Re: is it just summertime?
Is it just summertime, and people are outside enjoying themselves? Otherwise, I have to wonder why there have been no comments on http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3:mss:6923:200306:adcbobdimckahfihhlcg I never access such strange links which arrive by mail. Usually they are sent by spammers who try to confirm the validity of mail addresses. Cheers, Andreas -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3
RE: is it just summertime?
I'm also a little confused by (3b). Isn't fair market value usually determined by what people are willing to pay? Or are they reserving for themselves the right to determine if there is a market inefficiency creating non-equilibrium conditions? This is addressed in the comment to the license. It is a new provision, but I think it plugs a loophole in the whole licensing schema, and I wonder why it's never been addressed before. I think small open vendor A is probably saying that Monopoly X shouldn't be able to take the code base, do nothing more than slap the X brand label on it and charge a lot of money simply because they advertise their brand on television. That may be efficient in the sense that people pay for brands, but it may not result in better software, more competition, more innovation or better options for users, etc. I think the point is that you want distributors to charge for true value-added services, not sham offerings. I don't know why all the A's out there aren't more worried about this. You're right that this provision could be subject to abuse, but it may be a fair trade-off to make. But I think providing some contractual right to go after clear sham offerings will just make potential sham offerors think twice. This would be expensive to enforce, so unless A is really really big (I assume they're not), I don't think they have the unilateral right to impose unnatural equilibria on the market, in large part because the legal fees would probably be a lousy investment. -Original Message- From: Dr. Ernie Prabhakar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 12:22 PM To: Russell Nelson Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: is it just summertime? Is it just summertime, and people are outside enjoying themselves? Are these licenses obviously open source? It would be helpful if someone other than myself would say so. Since its just you and me working, I'll offer a random opinion to make you feel less alone. :-) http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm- cgi?3:mss:6923:200306:adcbobdimckahfihhlcg I had a little trouble following all the brackets. Does their definition of Downstream Distribution (1b), (3a) still allow mere aggregation, since it specifies contains in addition to depends on? I'm also a little confused by (3b). Isn't fair market value usually determined by what people are willing to pay? Or are they reserving for themselves the right to determine if there is a market inefficiency creating non-equilibrium conditions? http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm- cgi?3:mss:6976:200306:odefmgncbfagijaemlbg http://rosenlaw.com/osl2.0.html If Larry can't create an obviously Open Source license, then we're all in trouble! None of the changes seem to affect OSD compliance in any way I can see. Hope everyone else is enjoying their summer vacation. :-) -- Ernie P. -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3 -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3
Re: is it just summertime?
Quoting Andreas Kuckartz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Otherwise, I have to wonder why there have been no comments on http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3:mss:6923:200306:adcbobdimckahfihhlcg I never access such strange links which arrive by mail. Usually they are sent by spammers who try to confirm the validity of mail addresses. Point of information: crynwr.com is Russ Nelson's site. -- Cheers, Don't use Outlook. Outlook is really just a security Rick Moenhole with a small e-mail client attached to it. [EMAIL PROTECTED]-- Brian Trosko in r.a.sf.w.r-j -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3
