Re: [License-discuss] Logo for an (O)pen (S)ource (Li)cense (C)ompendium
Reincke, Karsten k.rein...@telekom.de writes: Deutsche Telekom AG (DTAG) is writing an Open Source License Compendium, which we intend to be made available to the whole Open Source community. Large (IT) companies are particularily challenged by the quantity of licenses and their various versions. It is becoming quite expensive for each company to allocate and train employees as Open Source License Experts in order to ensure that the company acts according to those Open Source licenses touched by their projects. A better solution would be to have something like a compendium which lists all relevant usage scenarios, and offers for the major Open Source licenses something like a to-do list that describes what one has to do in order to fulfill the license conditions applicable to these usage scenarios. As far as we know such a reliable compendium doesn't exist at the moment. Following the spirit of Open Source Software, DTAG wants to publish this compendium under the license 'Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Germany'. Moreover, DTAG intends to host the sources of this compendium on github: we want to follow the rule publish early, publish often', and to develop this compendium together with the community. As this compendium will serve the Open Source community, and also perhaps help the Open Source Initiative achieve its goals of promoting open source usage and bridging the gaps between producers and consumers of open source software, we would like adopt a logo that reflects this. As such, we are considering the attached logo, and would like to ask the Open Source Initiative if this would be acceptable to the organisation. We understand that 'Opensource.org site content is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 2.5 License'. Hence, deriving something from the OSI logo can be achieved, and we naturally also want to respect the OSI Logo Usage Guidelines ( http://www.opensource.org/logo-usage-guidelines). Our proposed logo shall express that the OSLiC (Open Source License Compendium) shall act according to the spirit and intentions of the 'umbrella' Open Source Initiative We look forward to your feedback, and sincerely hope that the proposed logo is acceptable. Please let us know if this is the case. Thanks for your mail, Karsten. This sounds like a great project, and it's very nice to hear you're releasing the compendium under a free license! The relevant set of practices for the OSI logo is trademark law, rather than copyright law -- the issue is potential dilution of the mark. I'm not sure what the answer is yet; we'll have to discuss it with the Board. But first, can you tell us whether it is the case that every license discussed in the compendium is OSI-approved? One thing's for sure: we can't have our logo used to refer to non-OSI-approved licenses, so that question is fundamental I think. (One outcome of this discussion might be that we update http://www.opensource.org/logo-usage-guidelines to discuss whether or when it is permissible to add new elements to the logo.) I suspect approving a derivative logo will be difficult, because of the potential for confusion about the meaning of our original logo and about OSI involvement in the project. If so, one solution would be to use the original OSI logo in the compendium in its normal sense -- to refer to OSI-approved licenses -- and separately apply a new logo to refer to the compendium as a whole. Thoughts? Best, -Karl Best Regards K. Reincke, G. Sharpe, J. Dobson --- Deutsche Telekom AG Products Innovation Karsten Reincke, PMP® Fach-Senior Manager TP/AS/TM T-Online-Allee 1 64295 Darmstadt Tel.: +49 6151 680 - 8941 Fax.: +49 6151 680 - 2529 E-Mail k.rein...@telekom.de http://www.telekom.de/ Erleben, was verbindet. Deutsche Telekom AG Aufsichtsrat: Prof. Dr. Ulrich Lehner (Vorsitzender) Vorstand: René Obermann (Vorsitzender), Dr. Manfred Balz, Reinhard Clemens, Niek Jan van Damme, Timotheus Höttges, Claudia Nemat, Thomas Sattelberger Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Bonn HRB 6794 Sitz der Gesellschaft: Bonn WEEE-Reg.-Nr. DE50478376 Große Veränderungen fangen klein an - Ressourcen schonen und nicht jede E-Mail drucken. Hinweis: Diese E-Mail und / oder die Anhänge ist / sind vertraulich und ausschließlich für den bezeichneten Adressaten bestimmt. Jegliche Durchsicht, Weitergabe oder Kopieren dieser E-Mail ist strengstens verboten. Wenn Sie diese E-Mail irrtümlich erhalten haben, informieren Sie bitte unverzüglich den Absender und vernichten Sie die Nachricht und alle Anhänge. Vielen Dank. ___ License-discuss mailing list License-discuss@opensource.org http://projects.opensource.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss ___ License-discuss mailing list License-discuss@opensource.org http://projects.opensource.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss
[License-discuss] Logo for an (O)pen (S)ource (Li)cense (C)ompendium
Dear OSI Experts, Deutsche Telekom AG (DTAG) is writing an Open Source License Compendium, which we intend to be made available to the whole Open Source community. Large (IT) companies are particularily challenged by the quantity of licenses and their various versions. It is becoming quite expensive for each company to allocate and train employees as Open Source License Experts in order to ensure that the company acts according to those Open Source licenses touched by their projects. A better solution would be to have something like a compendium which lists all relevant usage scenarios, and offers for the major Open Source licenses something like a to-do list that describes what one has to do in order to fulfill the license conditions applicable to these usage scenarios. As far as we know such a reliable compendium doesn't exist at the moment. Following the spirit of Open Source Software, DTAG wants to publish this compendium under the license 'Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Germany'. Moreover, DTAG intends to host the sources of this compendium on github: we want to follow the rule 'publish early, publish often', and to develop this compendium together with the community. As this compendium will serve the Open Source community, and also perhaps help the Open Source Initiative achieve its goals of promoting open source usage and bridging the gaps between producers and consumers of open source software, we would like adopt a logo that reflects this. As such, we are considering this image: http://www.oslic.org/fileadmin/images/oslic-logo-315x252.png. We would like to ask the Open Source Initiative if this would be acceptable to the organisation. We understand that 'Opensource.org site content is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 2.5 License'. Hence, deriving something from the OSI logo can be achieved, and we naturally also want to respect the OSI Logo Usage Guidelines ( http://www.opensource.org/logo-usage-guidelines). Our proposed logo shall express that the OSLiC (Open Source License Compendium) shall act according to the spirit and intentions of the 'umbrella' Open Source Initiative We look forward to your feedback, and sincerely hope that the proposed logo is acceptable. Please let us know if this is the case. Best Regards K. Reincke, G. Sharpe, J. Dobson --- Deutsche Telekom AG Products Innovation Karsten Reincke, PMP® Fach-Senior Manager TP/AS/TM T-Online-Allee 1 64295 Darmstadt Tel.: +49 6151 680 - 8941 Fax.: +49 6151 680 - 2529 E-Mail k.rein...@telekom.de http://www.telekom.de/ Erleben, was verbindet. Deutsche Telekom AG Aufsichtsrat: Prof. Dr. Ulrich Lehner (Vorsitzender) Vorstand: René Obermann (Vorsitzender), Dr. Manfred Balz, Reinhard Clemens, Niek Jan van Damme, Timotheus Höttges, Claudia Nemat, Thomas Sattelberger Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Bonn HRB 6794 Sitz der Gesellschaft: Bonn WEEE-Reg.-Nr. DE50478376 Große Veränderungen fangen klein an - Ressourcen schonen und nicht jede E-Mail drucken. Hinweis: Diese E-Mail und / oder die Anhänge ist / sind vertraulich und ausschließlich für den bezeichneten Adressaten bestimmt. Jegliche Durchsicht, Weitergabe oder Kopieren dieser E-Mail ist strengstens verboten. Wenn Sie diese E-Mail irrtümlich erhalten haben, informieren Sie bitte unverzüglich den Absender und vernichten Sie die Nachricht und alle Anhänge. Vielen Dank. ___ License-discuss mailing list License-discuss@opensource.org http://projects.opensource.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss
Re: [License-discuss] Logo for an (O)pen (S)ource (Li)cense (C)ompendium
[I think Karsten reposted this because there was a moderation delay on the original message, to which I have already responded on-list. Please use that original thread if possible.] -K Reincke, Karsten k.rein...@telekom.de writes: Deutsche Telekom AG (DTAG) is writing an Open Source License Compendium, which we intend to be made available to the whole Open Source community. Large (IT) companies are particularily challenged by the quantity of licenses and their various versions. It is becoming quite expensive for each company to allocate and train employees as Open Source License Experts in order to ensure that the company acts according to those Open Source licenses touched by their projects. A better solution would be to have something like a compendium which lists all relevant usage scenarios, and offers for the major Open Source licenses something like a to-do list that describes what one has to do in order to fulfill the license conditions applicable to these usage scenarios. As far as we know such a reliable compendium doesn't exist at the moment. Following the spirit of Open Source Software, DTAG wants to publish this compendium under the license 'Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Germany'. Moreover, DTAG intends to host the sources of this compendium on github: we want to follow the rule publish early, publish often', and to develop this compendium together with the community. As this compendium will serve the Open Source community, and also perhaps help the Open Source Initiative achieve its goals of promoting open source usage and bridging the gaps between producers and consumers of open source software, we would like adopt a logo that reflects this. As such, we are considering this image: http://www.oslic.org/fileadmin/images/oslic-logo-315x252.png. We would like to ask the Open Source Initiative if this would be acceptable to the organisation. We understand that 'Opensource.org site content is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 2.5 License'. Hence, deriving something from the OSI logo can be achieved, and we naturally also want to respect the OSI Logo Usage Guidelines ( http://www.opensource.org/logo-usage-guidelines). Our proposed logo shall express that the OSLiC (Open Source License Compendium) shall act according to the spirit and intentions of the 'umbrella' Open Source Initiative We look forward to your feedback, and sincerely hope that the proposed logo is acceptable. Please let us know if this is the case. Best Regards K. Reincke, G. Sharpe, J. Dobson --- Deutsche Telekom AG Products Innovation Karsten Reincke, PMP® Fach-Senior Manager TP/AS/TM T-Online-Allee 1 64295 Darmstadt Tel.: +49 6151 680 - 8941 Fax.: +49 6151 680 - 2529 E-Mail k.rein...@telekom.de http://www.telekom.de/ Erleben, was verbindet. Deutsche Telekom AG Aufsichtsrat: Prof. Dr. Ulrich Lehner (Vorsitzender) Vorstand: René Obermann (Vorsitzender), Dr. Manfred Balz, Reinhard Clemens, Niek Jan van Damme, Timotheus Höttges, Claudia Nemat, Thomas Sattelberger Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Bonn HRB 6794 Sitz der Gesellschaft: Bonn WEEE-Reg.-Nr. DE50478376 Große Veränderungen fangen klein an - Ressourcen schonen und nicht jede E-Mail drucken. Hinweis: Diese E-Mail und / oder die Anhänge ist / sind vertraulich und ausschließlich für den bezeichneten Adressaten bestimmt. Jegliche Durchsicht, Weitergabe oder Kopieren dieser E-Mail ist strengstens verboten. Wenn Sie diese E-Mail irrtümlich erhalten haben, informieren Sie bitte unverzüglich den Absender und vernichten Sie die Nachricht und alle Anhänge. Vielen Dank. ___ License-discuss mailing list License-discuss@opensource.org http://projects.opensource.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss ___ License-discuss mailing list License-discuss@opensource.org http://projects.opensource.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss
Re: [License-discuss] Logo for an (O)pen (S)ource (Li)cense (C)ompendium
Dear Karl; Sorry for posting 'twice'; your first answer didn't arrive me. You asked: I'm not sure what the answer is yet; we'll have to discuss it with the Board. But first, can you tell us whether it is the case that every license discussed in the compendium is OSI-approved? One thing's for sure: we can't have our logo used to refer to non-OSI-approved licenses, so that question is fundamental I think. Topic of the compendium 'OSLiC' are solely the OSI approved licenses. We don't want to cover / to discuss other licenses, neither proprietary licenses nor public domain licenses. The title is meant strictly: Open Source License Compendium, nothing else. in the hope to support a positive decision Karsten --- Deutsche Telekom AG Products Innovation Karsten Reincke, PMP® Fach-Senior Manager PCS Software Engineering T-Online-Allee 1 64295 Darmstadt Tel.: +49 6151 680 - 8941 Fax.: +49 6151 680 - 2529 E-Mail k.rein...@telekom.de http://www.telekom.de/ Von: Karl Fogel [kfo...@red-bean.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 22. Februar 2012 18:18 An: license-discuss@opensource.org Betreff: Re: [License-discuss] Logo for an (O)pen (S)ource (Li)cense (C)ompendium [I think Karsten reposted this because there was a moderation delay on the original message, to which I have already responded on-list. Please use that original thread if possible.] -K Reincke, Karsten k.rein...@telekom.de writes: Deutsche Telekom AG (DTAG) is writing an Open Source License Compendium, which we intend to be made available to the whole Open Source community. Large (IT) companies are particularily challenged by the quantity of licenses and their various versions. It is becoming quite expensive for each company to allocate and train employees as Open Source License Experts in order to ensure that the company acts according to those Open Source licenses touched by their projects. A better solution would be to have something like a compendium which lists all relevant usage scenarios, and offers for the major Open Source licenses something like a to-do list that describes what one has to do in order to fulfill the license conditions applicable to these usage scenarios. As far as we know such a reliable compendium doesn't exist at the moment. Following the spirit of Open Source Software, DTAG wants to publish this compendium under the license 'Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Germany'. Moreover, DTAG intends to host the sources of this compendium on github: we want to follow the rule publish early, publish often', and to develop this compendium together with the community. As this compendium will serve the Open Source community, and also perhaps help the Open Source Initiative achieve its goals of promoting open source usage and bridging the gaps between producers and consumers of open source software, we would like adopt a logo that reflects this. As such, we are considering this image: http://www.oslic.org/fileadmin/images/oslic-logo-315x252.png. We would like to ask the Open Source Initiative if this would be acceptable to the organisation. We understand that 'Opensource.org site content is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 2.5 License'. Hence, deriving something from the OSI logo can be achieved, and we naturally also want to respect the OSI Logo Usage Guidelines ( http://www.opensource.org/logo-usage-guidelines). Our proposed logo shall express that the OSLiC (Open Source License Compendium) shall act according to the spirit and intentions of the 'umbrella' Open Source Initiative We look forward to your feedback, and sincerely hope that the proposed logo is acceptable. Please let us know if this is the case. Best Regards K. Reincke, G. Sharpe, J. Dobson --- Deutsche Telekom AG Products Innovation Karsten Reincke, PMP® Fach-Senior Manager TP/AS/TM T-Online-Allee 1 64295 Darmstadt Tel.: +49 6151 680 - 8941 Fax.: +49 6151 680 - 2529 E-Mail k.rein...@telekom.de http://www.telekom.de/ Erleben, was verbindet. Deutsche Telekom AG Aufsichtsrat: Prof. Dr. Ulrich Lehner (Vorsitzender) Vorstand: René Obermann (Vorsitzender), Dr. Manfred Balz, Reinhard Clemens, Niek Jan van Damme, Timotheus Höttges, Claudia Nemat, Thomas Sattelberger Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Bonn HRB 6794 Sitz der Gesellschaft: Bonn WEEE-Reg.-Nr. DE50478376 Große Veränderungen fangen klein an - Ressourcen schonen und nicht jede E-Mail drucken. Hinweis: Diese E-Mail und / oder die Anhänge ist / sind vertraulich und ausschließlich für den bezeichneten Adressaten bestimmt. Jegliche Durchsicht, Weitergabe oder Kopieren dieser E-Mail ist strengstens verboten. Wenn Sie diese E-Mail irrtümlich erhalten haben, informieren Sie bitte unverzüglich den Absender und vernichten Sie die Nachricht und alle Anhänge. Vielen Dank. ___ License-discuss mailing list License-discuss@opensource.org http://projects.opensource.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss
Re: [License-discuss] Logo for an (O)pen (S)ource (Li)cense (C)ompendium
Karsten, It might be even more useful for developers* to discuss a wider range of licenses than falls under OSI approved licenses much like CC covers licenses ranging from CC0 to CC-NC-ND. Reference licenses, Academic (non-commerical) licenses, etc all have business uses if your target is large IT companies. That would, of course, require your own new logo as it would be out of scope for the OSI. Really, what you are suggesting is what OSI should be doing. Perhaps you can provide the resources required to generate a CC like plain English and/or German explanation of the legal requirements (aka your todo list) for the various OSI licenses under the OSI banner itself. There no new logo is required. Large IT companies have legal departments that should understand IP issues and will have to know the requirements for all the jurisdictions where they have presence. As much as possible anyway. What jurisdictions were you thinking of covering in your compendium? Will DTAG give OSI oversight and edit powers on the compendium? A logo that looks like the OSI logo implies that OSI approves of your interpretations. Especially if the OSI explicitly grants you permission to use a similar logo. What does develop this compendium together with the community really mean in this context? Why not first attempt do it under the auspices of the OSI itself? I would imagine the OSI would welcome this kind of help and you might get more contributors. A product carrying a logo similar looking to the OSI logo but isn't actually from the OSI strikes me as sketchy. I note that you are already using that logo on your oslic.org domain. I assume for testing but...why the little TM symbol already on your logo? Your domain is also blocked by our websense filters as a potentially damaging site. You should have your webadmin look into that. Regards, Nigel * Frankly, what is needed are CC licenses safe for software use. Every so often I bump into software licensed under CC anyway. On 2/22/12 2:04 PM, Reincke, Karsten k.rein...@telekom.de wrote: Dear Karl; Sorry for posting 'twice'; your first answer didn't arrive me. You asked: I'm not sure what the answer is yet; we'll have to discuss it with the Board. But first, can you tell us whether it is the case that every license discussed in the compendium is OSI-approved? One thing's for sure: we can't have our logo used to refer to non-OSI-approved licenses, so that question is fundamental I think. Topic of the compendium 'OSLiC' are solely the OSI approved licenses. We don't want to cover / to discuss other licenses, neither proprietary licenses nor public domain licenses. The title is meant strictly: Open Source License Compendium, nothing else. in the hope to support a positive decision Karsten --- Deutsche Telekom AG Products Innovation Karsten Reincke, PMP® Fach-Senior Manager PCS Software Engineering T-Online-Allee 1 64295 Darmstadt Tel.: +49 6151 680 - 8941 Fax.: +49 6151 680 - 2529 E-Mail k.rein...@telekom.de http://www.telekom.de/ Von: Karl Fogel [kfo...@red-bean.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 22. Februar 2012 18:18 An: license-discuss@opensource.org Betreff: Re: [License-discuss] Logo for an (O)pen (S)ource (Li)cense (C)ompendium [I think Karsten reposted this because there was a moderation delay on the original message, to which I have already responded on-list. Please use that original thread if possible.] -K Reincke, Karsten k.rein...@telekom.de writes: Deutsche Telekom AG (DTAG) is writing an Open Source License Compendium, which we intend to be made available to the whole Open Source community. Large (IT) companies are particularily challenged by the quantity of licenses and their various versions. It is becoming quite expensive for each company to allocate and train employees as Open Source License Experts in order to ensure that the company acts according to those Open Source licenses touched by their projects. A better solution would be to have something like a compendium which lists all relevant usage scenarios, and offers for the major Open Source licenses something like a to-do list that describes what one has to do in order to fulfill the license conditions applicable to these usage scenarios. As far as we know such a reliable compendium doesn't exist at the moment. Following the spirit of Open Source Software, DTAG wants to publish this compendium under the license 'Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Germany'. Moreover, DTAG intends to host the sources of this compendium on github: we want to follow the rule publish early, publish often', and to develop this compendium together with the community. As this compendium will serve the Open Source community, and also perhaps help the Open Source Initiative achieve its goals of promoting open source usage and bridging the gaps between producers and consumers of open source software, we would like adopt a logo that reflects this. As such, we
